Thomas B. Edsall
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Denver Voters: Obama Needs To Put Meat On His Bones

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August 25, 2008 08:48 AM



It was only a single focus group, but if a message emerged from the 125 minute session with two dozen voters here in Denver -- chosen to participate because they said they were undecided -- it was that Barack Obama needs to put some meat on his bones.

"He has to put some substance behind the charismatic talk," one respondent in his early 40s declared, and many in the group nodded enthusiastically. "I want less oratory; show me what you have done and what you are going to do," another participant member declared.

The focus group was run by Frank Luntz, the Republican pollster, and sponsored by the AARP. There was no emphasis on issues of particular concern to the elderly -- the purpose was rather to probe the views of uncommitted voters in the Denver metropolitan region.

Seventeen of the participants were willing to reveal their 2004 vote. Of them, 12 backed George W. Bush and 5 supported John Kerry.

A little over a quarter of the group, despite their claims of neutrality, voiced opinions suggesting that they are virtually certain to vote for John McCain. A slightly smaller number of the participants appeared to be in Obama's camp.

But nearly half of the group appeared legitimately uncertain, and their comments on the candidates, and on a sampling of McCain and Obama television commercials, offered insight into the hurdles facing each nominee.

Perhaps most striking was the almost unanimous and insistent demand that Obama and McCain be "accountable." This concern stood head and shoulders above calls for "change" or for a nominee who "understands the middle class" or "a candidate promising to resolve the Iraq War."

In many respects, these undecided voters were reminiscent of Ross Perot backers in 1992 and 1996, whose ranks were dominated by men and women who kept their books balanced and felt the government should do the same. By "accountability," the Luntz focus group members indicated that politicians should clearly spell out how they are going to pay for their promised agendas, should admit when policies will inflict some pain, and should avoid making commitments that they know cannot be fulfilled.

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"The biggest change of all would be just being accountable, man," one participant said. "It's not about change. Let's see what works, let's see what's accountable," replied another.

Luntz, talking to reporters who watched the session though a one-way mirror, said he was stunned by the depth of insistence on accountability. "This is a golden opportunity for either candidate to cut through the crap" and give voters a bottom-line accounting of his proposed programs' costs and how they will be met, he said.

Luntz contended that a failure to do this would be particularly dangerous for Obama. "If Obama comes across like the beautiful politician who has the words but not the solutions, they are going to [reject] him."

The reaction of the focus group participants to a collection of political ads provided a number of additional insights. The voters were all given electronic hand-held dials to indicate whether the liked or disliked what they saw.

Under prodding by Luntz, the participants divided themselves into two equal groups, one leaning to the Democrats, the other to Republicans. As they signaled their likes and dislikes on the electronic dials, two lines formed on a computerized graph so that it was possible to trace the patterns of each group.

One clear finding emerging from the focus group was that Democrats may be banking too optimistically on the notion that McCain's inability to remember the number of houses he and his wife own will significantly help Obama.

When the focus group was shown an Obama ad citing McCain's lack of knowledge of what he owns, the reaction was not as strong as the reaction to a McCain counter-ad citing the help convicted Chicago developer Tony Rezko provided to Obama in purchasing his own Hyde Park home.

"I really don't care how many houses you have, but it does matter how you got that house," a heavyset man declared.

McCain's ads over and over again beat Obama's in terms of the intensity of favorable reaction in this group, but McCain's high overall average numbers were driven by very positive reactions from 'Republican leaners,' while 'Democratic leaners' were often lukewarm. It was not unusual to have a 35 percentage point difference of opinion regarding the McCain ads -- with, for example, the Democratic leaners hovering at a neutral 50 percent and Republican leaners at 85 percent positive.

Conversely, Obama's ads were generally favorably received, but in a more modest 55 to 65 percent range. What stood out with the Obama ads was that, in contrast to the McCain commercials, there was very little difference between the average responses of Republican and Democratic leaners.

Among the possible interpretations of these patterns is that McCain may be able to pull in wavering voters who lean to the GOP, but he faces a tough time trying to convert undecided Democratic leaners. Conversely, Obama may need to raise the level and intensity of his efforts to win undecided voters, but Republican leaners may be less hostile to him than Democratic leaners are to McCain.

A majority of the voters in the focus group said they intend to watch all or most of the Democratic convention here, and most claim they remain open to being convinced by either candidate.

In actual practice, Obama will have to improve on Kerry's 2004 performance with a net gain of only one or two votes out of every 24 cast to win Colorado, while McCain must prevent the loss of even a tiny number of the votes Bush won in '04 in order to gain this state's nine electoral votes.

It was only a single focus group, but if a message emerged from the 125 minute session with two dozen voters here in Denver -- chosen to participate because they said they were undecided -- it was tha...
It was only a single focus group, but if a message emerged from the 125 minute session with two dozen voters here in Denver -- chosen to participate because they said they were undecided -- it was tha...
 
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The reason that independents are "leaning" to John McCain is because they've left the Republican Party in droves. They're now flirting, often for the first time in their lives, with voting for a Democrat for president.

As for the "meat" comment, which is a little weird as it is, there's TONS AND TONS of information out there. Compare Obama's website with McCain's when it comes to the issues. Obama has pages and pages of specifics, while McCain is winging it.

And there were how many debates on earlier this year? Ten thousand of them? Obama talks at every campaign stop about what his plans are, while McCain does nothing but bash Obama (because McCain HAS NO PLAN).

The media isn't interested in talking about Obama's ideas, they're interested in talking about the latest Paris or Britney or Bill Ayres (what century are we in?) advertisement. They seem to be interested in watching John McCain continue to fight the battles of the 60's, which are long over.

Besides, if Obama (or McCain, or any candidate) went out there with long-winded, wonkish policy proposals we'd all be bored to tears. But the fact is, the information is out there for anyone who's willing to do some homework. The media isn't going to help, but don't come around with this Fox News junk about Obama needing more specifics. If you've ever bothered to listen to the man talk you know this claim is full of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 08/26/2008

The purpose of this focus group was to trick Obama into the wrong strategy.

Emotions win elections.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 08/26/2008
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Further proof that "undecided voter" is synonymous with "idiot voter": anyone who still doesn't know what Obama seeks to accomplish as President has not only not made an effort to get informed but has apparently made a proactive effort to avoid information. How could one not have learned at least the basics (e.g. war, healthcare, taxes, energy)?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 08/25/2008
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the Dems know the voters want Happy Talk, ya know, HOPE, HOPE, HOPE
and a little ego stroking . . . ''you voters are just awesome for voting democratic''

what 10.4-TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT ??

what 500-BILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT for 2009 ??

what 2-years of a Democratic Congress giving Bush everything he wanted ??

so the Dems won't raise taxes
and will give us new Federal Programs for everybody

and the deficit keeps ticking . . .
11-TRILLION, 12-TRILLION . . .

& whose gonna pay the Piper ??

maybe your great-grand children

but not the Dems
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 08/25/2008

You will!!!! We all know we have to pay higher taxes! When you borrow billions from China and run up a trillon dollar debt for the war you know what's coming. We have to pay the bill that the repubs ran us. YOu know it and I know it.

6 years of GOP rule that did nothing. Hey did they repeal Roe v wade like they promised you during the last election. The GOP is lucky. they know their constiuents are down right stupid and will fall for anyting because they stand for nothing!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 08/25/2008

And WHO reduced the deficit and debt?

Clinton.

Democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 08/27/2008
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What I get is that the Hilary/McCain message that Obama is an empty suit has penetrated the inattentive mind. The Rezko issue, which really is an empty suit, is also in there waving its arms. McCain's lobbyist/advisors don't sink in, nor does his fundamental sympathy with very rich hawks, or what he will cost us all.

Don't blame the people. Global capital exploits every human weakness, and pours hundreds of millions of dollars into various coldly scientific approaches to brainwashing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 08/25/2008

If the undecideds want to know more about Obama, stop watching FOX and listening to right wing radio and watch c-span. If the repubs undecideds in the focus group want accountability start with those clowns that you voted for - two times. This is all bull.
Dems should not waste time pandering to the undecideds (because they are not). Dems should stay w their base. That base is growing ea day. If the dems start exposing the conservative 'wrecking ball, privatizing government functions' over the past 35 to 40 yrs, they would not be worrying about these undecideds then they can win elections.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 08/25/2008

I don't understand these people who are still "undecided" or think Obama just "gives speeches", and they don't know what his policies are: have you not been watching the news for longer than 1 hour a day, listen to talk radio, satellite radio, do you not check out the candidates' websites, etc? Those are people waiting to be fed information---lazy and stupid. These are people who only catch the highlights or soundbits while making dinner. In order to know the candidates policies and positions----get yourself informed if you are truly interested. I bet if you asked any of them what McCain's substance and policies were---they'd be wrong 90% of the time. Most dont' even know his position on abortion (hello Hillary-McCain female converts) or his votes on women's issues (against female-related health care and cancer related issues, against equal work for equal pay) or the fact that his "maverick" reputation was from a decade ago, that he has voted with Bush 90% of the time since he's been in office. Even nonpartisan economic groups have stated they don't understand how McCain is going to cut taxes and fix our deficit, based on his current enconomic plan which they have stated LACKS SPECIFICS. So if you are going to claim you don't know what Obama is for, take a little quiz, and find out if you know what McCain is for. Stop being lazy and use some critical thinking skills,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 08/25/2008

great post!! could not have said it better. How can anybody be in the middle when our country is on the brink of extinction as we know it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 PM on 08/25/2008
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Undecideds are just fools.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 08/25/2008

Frank Lutz is always on Fox News. That is all you need to know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 08/25/2008

These folks don't sound so undecided to me~This really is a joke right? "Substance" is just a buzz word for "I don't agree with his policies", or "he's not white", which is very transparent, because what is it that someone doesn't know about Barack Obama?! Honestly this country is becoming more and more of an embarrassment..we really need to grow up some more!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 08/25/2008

George W. Bush is a typical American: ignorant, superstitious, bullying, loud, brutish, obnoxious, puerile. In Swiftian terms, George W Bush is the president of the yahoo S.A.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 08/26/2008

Okay, I have to admit: I barely skimmed the article, but I got all fired when I read "He has to put some substance behind the charismatic talk"

are you kidding me? I have been following this race very closely, and though I agree that Obama needs to be more specific in certain areas, I can say for sure that Obama has far more "meat" than John McCain. I hope that they will ask the same of McCain that they are of Obama, because I am sorry this just sounds a little fishy to me?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 08/25/2008
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I completely agree

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 AM on 08/26/2008
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C'monn!

If they stopped polling people while they are in line at KFC, perhaps we could dodge the BS about how Obama is "too skinny" - I'm floored that it's even a topic of discussion! Seriously...where are they finding these people?

As for "undecided" voters....at this point, who on EARTH is still legitimately "undecided"? How hard IS it to educate yourself on either candidate? In 2008, for me anyway, it would take some serious effort to remain as in-the-dark as anyone still claiming to be "undecided".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 08/25/2008
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This article featured a misleading headline. The article didn't mention anything about Obama being "too skinny," but by writing "it was that Barack Obama needs to put some meat on his bones," the author certainly made it seem that way.

More to the point, the article is about "He has to put some substance behind the charismatic talk," one respondent in his early 40s declared, and many in the group nodded enthusiastically. "I want less oratory; show me what you have done and what you are going to do," another participant member declared."

It would certainly be helpful if the MSM actually talked about Obama's plans ~~ THE SUBSTANCE that these people are looking for. But they don't. They consistently pander to the lowest common denominator with 15-to-30 second sound bites, and when they show clips of Obama speaking, they talk over his voice and tell us what THEY THINK that he is saying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 08/25/2008
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I understand that his physical appearance wasn't really what the article was about - but the sad fact is that that particular subject has already been tossed out there as being "newsworthy" by the MSM.

As for the MSM actually talking about ANYTHING remotely newsworthy during this election cycle and helping those out there who remain "undecided" - let's not hold our breath on that one. There are tons of places anyone can go if they want to get informed about their candidates - expecting the MSM to help with such a tast, I think, is just unrealistic at this point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 08/25/2008

You are so right....The media needs to be more responsible....they'd rather talk about flag pins and 60s radicals and misquoting something the wife of a candidate said then talk about the real kitchen table issues....maybe, like McCain they can't decide which kitchen table they want to sit at either......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 08/25/2008

I'm at a loss as to what Edsall is actually writing about here. A focus group, compiled by a GOP lackey and an institution (AARP) that was formed largely to sell insurance products to retired people, is hardly going to be neutral in any way. And it certainly isn't anywhere near a statistical sample.

Edsall's final graf:
"In actual practice, Obama will have to improve on Kerry's 2004 performance with a net gain of only one or two votes out of every 24 cast to win Colorado, while McCain must prevent the loss of even a tiny number of the votes Bush won in '04 in order to gain this state's nine electoral votes."

That has some interesting info, which can be verified. The rest of the column? Not so much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 08/25/2008
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What they said: Barack Obama needs to put some meat on his bones.
What they thought: And it wouldn't hurt if he was white.

Stop talking to these people. They aren't going to change their minds because they aren't honest, probably even to themselves, about what their problem is. Register NEW voters and GOTV.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 08/25/2008

I guess it doesn't matter to these "independent" voters that McCain's ad about getting a deal from Rezko in return for special favors is a lie? Talking about accountability, someone needs to hold these low-information voters accountable if McCain gets into the White House to continue Bush's calamitous policies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 08/25/2008

They wouldn't know a lie if it stood up and punched them in the nose!!! Except maybe when they told the organizer that they were "undecided"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 08/25/2008

Why do Democrats always try to leave it up to the undecided voters? That never works. The end result is always less votes than if they would have just pandered to their base. Once they figure out that there is really no such thing as an undecided voter, then they can win elections again. Here is the recipe for winning: solidify and appease the base, and let them help you bring energize once non-voters. Here is the Democrats recipe: move to the center, lose progressive support, scurry to find undecided voters to fill the hole from the disenfranchised progressives. This is not the way to go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 08/25/2008

"republican pollster" Beware!

Run 100 focus groups, then pick the one that is least representative of what people were actually asking for, and publish that one.

You just aren't paranoid enough.

Emotion wins elections.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 08/25/2008

BALANCE THE BOOKS.
What a concept. that should appeal to all
Americans whatever the persuasion.
We cannot have national security when we are broke, indebt and dependant upon hostile nations for our ecomonic bailout and their oil. RUSSIA, ARABIA, VENEZUELA have a scrotal hold onthis nation.
We need an alternative energy policy to free us. It is a strategic threat that we have permitted through the oilmen in the WhiteHouse this decade.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 08/25/2008
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