UN Accuses US-Led Troops Of Killing Afghan Civilians

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FISNIK ABRASHI | August 26, 2008 06:10 PM EST | AP

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Zinat Gul, 24, who allegedly was wounded by a U.S. air strike in Shindand district, is accompanied by her mother at a hospital in Herat, east of Kabul, Afghanistan on Monday, Aug. 25, 2008. President Hamid Karzai sacked two Afghan army officers Sunday, following a joint Afghan-coalition operation in the country's west that he said killed at least 89 civilians. (AP Photo/Fraidoon Pooyaa)

KABUL, Afghanistan — In a stark warning to U.S. forces, the Afghan government said it will try to regulate the presence of U.S. troops and their use of airstrikes, while the U.N. on Tuesday announced that "convincing evidence" exists that an American-led operation killed 90 civilians.

The U.N. sent in a team of investigators, who relied solely on villagers' statements in alleging the American-led operation in the western province of Herat on Friday killed 60 children and 30 adults. The U.S. military stood by its account, that 25 militants and five civilians were killed in the operation.

"I don't have any information that would suggest that our military commanders in Afghanistan don't believe, still, that this was a legitimate strike on a Taliban target," Defense Department spokesman Bryan Whitman said in Washington.

The U.N. allegation comes a day after President Hamid Karzai's government said it will try to put more controls on the way American and NATO troops operate, a response to a series of airstrikes and other operations this summer that have caused the deaths of scores of civilians.

Afghanistan's Council of Ministers ordered the ministries of defense and foreign affairs to open negotiations with the U.S. and NATO over the use of airstrikes, house searches and the detentions of Afghan civilians. It also called for a "status of force" agreement to regulate the troops' presence.

Afghanistan's effort to rein in foreign forces is similar to steps taken by the Iraqi government, which has demanded a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops and greater control of U.S. operations until their departure.

The U.N.'s allegation of such a large number of civilian deaths could set the U.S., U.N. and the Afghan government on a collision course over the use of military force in Afghan villages, where international troops battle Taliban and al-Qaida militants daily.

Russia on Tuesday circulated a draft Security Council press statement expressing serious concern about the numerous civilian casualties reportedly caused by the airstrike and saying member nations "strongly deplore the fact that this is not the first incident of this kind."

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Press statements must be approved by all 15 Security Council members and Western diplomats said that there was no chance the Russian draft would be adopted.

The draft, obtained by The Associated Press, recognizes the need to combat terrorism, but notes "that killing and maiming of civilians is a flagrant violation of international humanitarian law and human rights law."

It calls on the U.S.-led coalition, the International Security Assistance Force and all parties in Afghanistan to take steps to ensure the protection of civilians, particularly women and children.

The Russians called for an investigation of the incident.

A recent spate of civilian deaths has added fuel to long-simmering public anger surrounding the issue. In the first week of July, 69 Afghan civilians were killed in two separate operations in eastern Afghanistan, including 47 people killed in Nangarhar province while walking to a wedding party, Afghan officials say.

Afghan officials say that scores of civilians _ between 76 and 90 _ were killed in Herat province on Friday. The head of the Afghan Independent Human Rights Commission, Ahmad Nader Nadery, has confirmed reports that a memorial ceremony was being held for a militia commander allied with the Afghan police and several relatives and friends from outside the area were staying overnight in the village at the time of the attack.

Civilian casualties have long been a major source of friction between Karzai and his Western backers. Afghan officials say civilian deaths create a rift between the government and the people that Taliban and other anti-government forces use as leverage to turn villagers away from the government.

In addition, Afghans targeted in U.S. raids have complained for years of being pursued based solely on information provided by other Afghans who sometimes are business rivals, neighbors with a vendetta or simply interested in generic reward money for anti-government militants.

According to an Associated Press tally, 705 civilians have been killed this year: 536 by militants, and 158 by international forces; 11 civilians have died in cross fire. The numbers do not include figures from the Herat battle and likely do not account for all civilian deaths this year.

U.S. and NATO officials say they take great care in their targeting but also accuse the militants of hiding in civilian homes and using Afghans as human shields.

Another factor, diplomats in Kabul say, is that Karzai is running for re-election next year. Blaming foreigners for the ills afflicting the country is a sure way to win popular support.

Anti-foreigner sentiment has been rising over the years here, partly because of civilian deaths but also because many Afghans do not see the benefits of billions of dollars in aid that have poured into the country since the ouster of the Taliban in late 2001.

Karzai's spokesman, Humayun Hamidzada, said Tuesday that the ministers' decision was made after Afghan officials "lost patience" with foreign forces, and the killings and detentions of civilians during raids in remote villages.

"We do not want international forces to leave Afghanistan until the time our security institutions are able to defend Afghanistan independently," Hamidzada told reporters.

But the presence of those forces has to be based "within the framework of Afghan law with respect to international law," he said.

Air Force Lt. Col. Patrick Ryder, a Pentagon spokesman, said the legal framework for the presence of U.S. troops in Afghanistan was established in a 2003 agreement between Kabul and Washington. Done via an exchange of diplomatic notes, the pact is considered a bilateral agreement and is like a status of forces agreement, Ryder said.

In a statement Tuesday, the U.N. put its weight behind the Afghan government claim of civilian deaths in Herat, saying its investigators "found convincing evidence, based on the testimony of eyewitnesses, and others, that some 90 civilians were killed, including 60 children, 15 women and 15 men."

The U.N. did not provide photos or evidence that its investigators who went to the scene saw any graves or that any militants were among those killed. Instead it relied on statements of villagers, local officials and eyewitnesses.

Dan McNorton, a spokesman for the U.N. in Kabul, said the world body's investigation is ongoing.

The U.N. said that "residents were able to confirm the number of casualties, including names, age and gender of the victims."

"The destruction from aerial bombardment was clearly evident with some 7-8 houses having been totally destroyed and serious damage to many others," the statement said.

The top U.S. coalition commander has ordered an investigation.

"We welcome getting all the facts on the table," said Corina Sanders, a U.S. Embassy spokeswoman. "We take civilian casualties very seriously."

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Associated Press writer Pauline Jelinek contributed to this report from Washington.

KABUL, Afghanistan — In a stark warning to U.S. forces, the Afghan government said it will try to regulate the presence of U.S. troops and their use of airstrikes, while the U.N. on Tuesday anno...
KABUL, Afghanistan — In a stark warning to U.S. forces, the Afghan government said it will try to regulate the presence of U.S. troops and their use of airstrikes, while the U.N. on Tuesday anno...
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- Bobrobert I'm a Fan of Bobrobert 9 fans permalink

Democracy in Iraq.

Failed.

Democracy in Afghan.

Failed.

Killing people to force democracy in the Arab world is a lost cause.

Time to bring all the troops home - we have no business killing people - we have no business killing woman and children.

Nuff said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 08/26/2008

And radical Islamofascists have no business flying loaded airliners into our buildings. They need to know that no matter what they do, their suffering will be longer and deeper than what they cause.

You rarely if ever see routine coverage or coverage of military successes on the HP. But when a friendly fire or otherwise sad mistake occures overthere, this is the type of stuff HP thrives on. It will be interesting to see how HP covers these type of sad events once Obama is elected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 08/26/2008
- wayoutleft I'm a Fan of wayoutleft 39 fans permalink
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this is a great time to remind people that barack obama wants to expand this war.
green '08. the party for peace in iraq and afghanistan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 08/26/2008
- smag I'm a Fan of smag 4 fans permalink

The Iraq war has been a disaster. I don't believe in isolationism but we forget that we are not responsible for the world. Afghanistan may be another issue. If we are going after the monsters who perpetrated 9/11, we are not doing too well. Part of the problem is we get stage fright and worry too much about how mistakes will be seen at home in the US. A military action clearly does have political and social consequences but we get so wrapped up about not making mistakes that we become timid and forget how to fight. WHEN we commit to fight in an arena where the enemy uses civilians as shields and hostages we need to accept the fact that civilians will be injured or killed or stay home and attack them with our deadly "sense of outrage". If we don't plan to succeed then don't waste the blood and money. Hell, I know we have made mistakes in every war in which we have participated and so has every other country. I rarely see any alternatives offered except don't go. That's ok with me; I am old enough that to recognize fear or timidity when I see it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 08/26/2008
- Bobrobert I'm a Fan of Bobrobert 9 fans permalink

One should never kill 100 time the civilians as enemies for any reason.

It is barbaric to justify war on a country because "terrorist" may be there.

Pathetic attempts by America to force oher countries to become part of the US is never a good idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 08/26/2008
- biwee I'm a Fan of biwee 13 fans permalink

If we were really going after those behind 911, we would not be in Afghanistan or Iraq.
The war on terror is a scam designed to further the chokehold the NeoCons and big
corporations have on America. And, by the way, let's have another Cold War with Russia, and borrow Trillions of dollars to build more military hardware, thereby further enriching the NeoCons.
Just ask draft-dodger Cheney and Addington.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 08/26/2008

Its time to withdraw from Afganistan, Bin Laden isn't there and he's not coming back. The country isn't for us to try and fix.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 08/26/2008
- Agnim I'm a Fan of Agnim 6 fans permalink

At least someone is standing up for the people of Ossetia and Abkhazia, with whom the Georgians don't really want to associate.

A mean, how on gad's green earth does someone in the 21st Century just up and turn BIG GUNS on a population from a distance?

The genocidal Georgian only care for territory. They don't give a ish about the people in those enclaves.

The "we should not spare bullets for these people" Saakhasvili is a mini Bush!

Bush "shocked and awed" and slaughtered hundreds of thousands of INNOCENT Iraqis.
And Saakhasvili used Georgian BIG GUNS to blast INNOCENT Ossetians!
These people are criminals of the worse kind!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 08/26/2008
- arvay I'm a Fan of arvay 140 fans permalink
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"White House spokesman Tony Fratto told reporters Monday that foreign forces in Afghanistan "take every precaution to try to avoid innocent civilian casualties."

This may be the same guy who wrote Bush's famous "we don't torture" assertion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 08/26/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 604 fans permalink
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No biggie, the U.S. is on a mission from G od.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 08/26/2008
- MalloMel I'm a Fan of MalloMel 75 fans permalink
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I have a question: What the hell are we over there for? If it's not for the oil, then why are we there? It's already been shown that there were no weapons of mass destruction, which supposedly was the reason that we went in there. Why are we there now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 08/26/2008

the alleged wmds were for iraq. were supposed to be in afghanistan for bin laden. does anyone else think that there never was a bin laden.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 08/26/2008

From a source I know who that recently returned from Afghanistan they said it's common knowledge among Afghans that Bin Laden is dead. Apparently he died from complications related to the transfusio­ns/dialysi­s he required. Al Qaeda has been keeping it a secret because Bin Laden is the inspiration of the movement. Some may wonder why Butto was assassinated, it was because she had threatened to leak Bin Laden's death to western officials.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 08/26/2008
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No no no. WMD was the lie that Bush used to invade and occupy Iraq, not Afghanistan. The lie used to invade Afghanistan was that we were going to "free them from tyranny", and hopefully turn it into a Central Asian version of South Dakota. We are still in the process of "freeing them from tyranny", and the South Dakota theme park is apparently on the back burner for awhile. It is not clear how many more women, children, wedding parties and villages we need to bomb in order to finish the job, but as Rumsfeld told us, "freedom is messy". The point of all of it? Try the proposed natural gas pipeline that would go from the Caspian, through Afghanistan, and to India, thereby bypassing the Russians and their control over access to that resource. All one needs to do is to look at a map, and see where the oil is, in order to find Americans......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 08/26/2008
- BigLib I'm a Fan of BigLib 18 fans permalink

Murtha is pleased.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 08/26/2008
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You know the B.S. meter is running off the scale when Captain Mike Windsor, spokesman for NATO speaks. His latest bromide: "(NATO's) mission is based on a U.N. mandate and carried upon the invitation of the Afghan government." The Karzai government is a classic example of a puppet-regime: corrupt, ineffectual, illegitimate and unable to exist without the protection of its benefactors (Karzai and his group would be hanging from trees within one week of NATO leaving). The only real difference between Karzai and most other foreign-backed puppets is that Karzai appears to actually favour the welfare of the Afghan people over the interests of his handlers. Similarly, the occupation by NATO is classic imperialism: a foreign-based occupation, done for foreign interests, packaged and sold domestically as somehow benefiting the backward locals in that faraway land. This isn't about helping Afghanis at all. Most Americans couldn't find Helmand province on a map anymore than could Afghanis find Nebraska on a map; and that alone shows how "interconnected" we are. However, the day Afghanis start blowing up Nebraskans in order to "save" Nebraska we will surely have something in common with those people.........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 08/26/2008
- MalloMel I'm a Fan of MalloMel 75 fans permalink
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Evidently, the brain washing did not take on you. Why's that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 08/26/2008
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Because I have one of those little "B.S. meters" that everyone should wear anytime anyone from the Pentagon or NATO speaks. It starts buzzing, and then shaking violently, and then it just bursts apart. At that point I just walk away, and remember why Gawd issued me a brain...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 08/26/2008

can our military do anything right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 08/26/2008
- AnnArky I'm a Fan of AnnArky 33 fans permalink
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Hey, get over it. It's America's War Against Humanity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 08/26/2008
- helonias I'm a Fan of helonias 221 fans permalink
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I guess their surviving relative are no longer civilians

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 08/26/2008
- Tom95134 I'm a Fan of Tom95134 53 fans permalink
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As Cheney would say, "What's a little collateral damage? Suck it up!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 08/26/2008
- NamvetPR I'm a Fan of NamvetPR 5 fans permalink
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Try again W, Why do they hate us???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 08/26/2008
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Myself being Vietnamese, I had a very peculiar reaction to 911. My immediate- but muted - thought was that the US was going to go out into the world and commit numerous attrocities and embroil itself in killing civilians half a world away simply because the deaths of Americans is entirely unacceptable.

What morality drives this country to decry the deaths of American citizens and yet drives it to time and time again look away when the women and children of other nations die in droves?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 08/26/2008
- MalloMel I'm a Fan of MalloMel 75 fans permalink
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They must have been in the way. We have a war to fight. If civilians don't understand this and stay out of the way, then it's their faults.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 08/26/2008
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