Arctic sea ice drops to 2nd lowest level on record

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SETH BORENSTEIN and DAN JOLING | August 27, 2008 07:23 PM EST | AP

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Aviation Maintenance Tech 2 John Ferrari looks out of the back of a Coast Guard C-130 as he surveys the ice off of the coast of Barrow, Alaska, during a surveillance flight to the Arctic on Thursday Aug. 7, 2008. (AP Photo/Al Grillo)

WASHINGTON — More ominous signs Wednesday have scientists saying that a global warming "tipping point" in the Arctic seems to be happening before their eyes: Sea ice in the Arctic Ocean is at its second lowest level in about 30 years.

The National Snow and Ice Data Center reported that sea ice in the Arctic now covers about 2.03 million square miles. The lowest point since satellite measurements began in 1979 was 1.65 million square miles set last September.

With about three weeks left in the Arctic summer, this year could wind up breaking that previous record, scientists said.

Arctic ice always melts in summer and refreezes in winter. But over the years, more of the ice is lost to the sea with less of it recovered in winter. While ice reflects the sun's heat, the open ocean absorbs more heat and the melting accelerates warming in other parts of the world.

Sea ice also serves as primary habitat for threatened polar bears.

"We could very well be in that quick slide downward in terms of passing a tipping point," said senior scientist Mark Serreze at the data center in Boulder, Colo. "It's tipping now. We're seeing it happen now."

Within "five to less than 10 years," the Arctic could be free of sea ice in the summer, said NASA ice scientist Jay Zwally.

"It also means that climate warming is also coming larger and faster than the models are predicting and nobody's really taken into account that change yet," he said.

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Five climate scientists, four of them specialists on the Arctic, told The Associated Press that it is fair to call what is happening in the Arctic a "tipping point." NASA scientist James Hansen, who sounded the alarm about global warming 20 years ago before Congress, said the sea ice melt "is the best current example" of that.

Last year was an unusual year when wind currents and other weather conditions coincided with global warming to worsen sea ice melt, Serreze said. Scientists wondered if last year was an unusual event or the start of a new and disturbing trend.

This year's results suggest the latter because the ice had recovered a bit more than usual thanks to a somewhat cooler winter, Serreze said. Then this month, when the melting rate usually slows, it sped up instead, he said.

The most recent ice retreat primarily reflects melt in the Chukchi Sea off Alaska's northwest coast and the East Siberian Sea off the coast of eastern Russia, according to the center.

The Chukchi Sea is home to one of two populations of Alaska polar bears.

Federal observers flying for a whale survey on Aug. 16 spotted nine polar bears swimming in open ocean in the Chukchi. The bears were 15 to 65 miles off the Alaska shore. Some were swimming north, apparently trying to reach the polar ice edge, which on that day was 400 miles away.

Polar bears are powerful swimmers and have been recorded on swims of 100 miles but the ordeal can leave them exhausted and susceptible to drowning.

And the melt in sea ice has kicked in another effect, long predicted, called "Arctic amplification," Serreze said.

That's when the warming up north is increased in a feedback mechanism and the effects spill southward starting in autumn, he said. Over the last few years, the bigger melt has meant more warm water that releases more heat into the air during fall cooling, making the atmosphere warmer than normal.

On top of that, researchers were investigating "alarming" reports in the last few days of the release of methane from long frozen Arctic waters, possibly from the warming of the sea, said Greenpeace climate scientist Bill Hare, who was attending a climate conference in Ghana. Giant burps of methane, which is a potent greenhouse gas, is a long feared effect of warming in the Arctic that would accelerate warming even more, according to scientists.

Overall, the picture of what's happening in the Arctic is getting worse, said Bob Corell, who headed a multinational scientific assessment of Arctic conditions a few years ago: "We're moving beyond a point of no return."

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Science Writer Seth Borenstein reported from Washington and Dan Joling reported from Anchorage, Alaska. AP writer Arthur Max contributed from Accra, Ghana.

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WASHINGTON — More ominous signs Wednesday have scientists saying that a global warming "tipping point" in the Arctic seems to be happening before their eyes: Sea ice in the Arctic Ocean is at it...
WASHINGTON — More ominous signs Wednesday have scientists saying that a global warming "tipping point" in the Arctic seems to be happening before their eyes: Sea ice in the Arctic Ocean is at it...
 
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And the more fresh water that gets into our oceans, the warmer they will get, and the more frequent and intense the storms will get that promise to make storms like Gustav pale in comparison. Are we really on our way to becoming a Waterworld in the coming century?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 09/01/2008

Why worry about Arctic sea ice melting?

Arctic seabed storehouse of greenhouse gas methane is thawing:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,547976,00.html

Quote:
"Gas hydrates stored in the Arctic ocean floor -- hard clumps of ice and methane, conserved by freezing temperatures and high pressure -- could grow unstable and release massive amounts of methane into the atmosphere. Since methane is a potent greenhouse gas, more worrisome than carbon dioxide, the result would be a drastic acceleration of global warming. Until now this idea was mostly academic; scientists had warned that such a thing could happen. Now it seems more likely that it will.
Russian polar scientists have strong evidence that the first stages of melting are underway. ..."

"The carbon content of the ice-and-methane mixture here is estimated at 540 billion tons. ..."

That's 540 Gt of carbon, which is more carbon than humans have added to the atmosphere since the start of the industrial revolution. (Over 300 Gt.) By comparison humans currently generate 8-8.5 Gt of carbon from burning fossil fuels, making cement, land clearance and agriculture each year.

This is one of the tipping points. In other words, if the methane clathrates start to melt, we're screwed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 08/30/2008

Very fascinating, as usual! You mentioned cement. Here is an interesting article on possible new technology for making cement, which turns out to be the third-largest single producer of co2. The article is also from Spiegel.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,575023,00.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 AM on 08/31/2008

Interesting link, RP, but the process described sounds like it would work only as a solid cement carbon sink. To then produce powdered cement for construction you would have to crush, grind and calcine the solid cement, which would put the CO2 right back into the atmosphere.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 08/31/2008

Where is the high church of denialism located? There are so many global warming deniers here it must have a very active congregation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 AM on 08/29/2008

Well I swear that people are plain dumb they find some wacko tidbit that says the ocean is getting cooler or some other whacked report about how Y2K wasn't catastrophic. Which is a false assumption in that many things did not go as smoothly as liked, but had programmers not done a bunch of patches it would have been much worse. Buts lets ignore that the fixes actually thwarted disaster and say it never happened huh. These same people run through the streets yelling Global warming is a lie, but all anyone has to do is compare two aerial pictures of Greenland over the few years or Norway or the Arctic or Antarctic and look at how much ICE is gone. But you all go ahead pretend to be an ostrich and when you are wearing hip waders in New York to get to wall street don't complain you have no right, because you created the problem and refused to recognize it, even when the evidence was as plain as your nose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 08/28/2008
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So nothing has changed in 30 yrs! That's fantastic news. Can we move onto something else like Y2K (oops, thats right that was another scam that cost billions and turned out to be wrong, amazing how many experts got that one wrong)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 08/28/2008

In your zeal to ignore the obvious, you misunderstood what they are saying.

"The lowest point since satellite measurements began in 1979 was 1.65 million square miles set last September."

This is not the second lowest on record, with the first being 30 years ago. They started measuring it 30 years ago and it's the second lowest on record, with the first being LESS THAN A YEAR AGO.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 08/29/2008

He must do very poorly on mutiple choice tests.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 08/29/2008

For some people ignorance truly is bliss.

The rest have to deal with reality rather than just ignore it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 08/30/2008

Here's another mystery for you-
NPR reports that some 3000 robots put in the ocean to measure the increase in temperature over the last 4-5 years are actually reporting a slight DECREASE in temperature.
So apparently....ummmm.....NOBODY knows anything!

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88520025

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 08/28/2008

No mystery!

"In 2006, it was reported that the ocean cooled from 2003 to 2005.6 This conclusion
was inconsistent with a wide variety of numerical modeling results and direct
measurements of surface and lower atmosphere warming. As a consequence of this
reported cooling, some suggested that global warming was not occurring. This situation
was resolved through a reanalysis of the ocean temperature data from the Argo float
array: a serious error in these data was found to be due to a combination of measurement
and analysis artifacts. The authors of the original study subsequently published a
correction to their original work."7

http://www.usgcrp.gov/usgcrp/Library/ocp2009/ocp2009-analysis.pdf

http://oceans.pmel.noaa.gov/Pdf/heat_2006.pdf

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 AM on 08/29/2008

I have to admit I havent digested your first link yet (there's a lot there), but the the second link you provided is from 2006 and discusses errors in measurements of shallow water. The NPR article is dated at least a year and a half afterwards and talks about measurements somewhat deeper.
I certainly dont pretend to be an expert, I'm just trying to stagger through the documentation.
Thanks for the info.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 08/29/2008

yeah we have to do something about it like convince the chinese to stop building coal power plants.

fat chance of convincing the chinese to do anything !

if this global warming stuff is for real there is jack we can do because there is jack the chinese will do.

they wont listen to anybody. never have, never will. the whole country is controlled by capitalists that will be the last to shut down cheap coal energy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 08/28/2008

It must be those under water volcanic eruptions that is melting the ice:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080625140649.htm

Mystery solved........you Libs don't have to buy those stupid carbon credits anymore.

By the way, it's only 66 degrees here today (August 28th). We need to bring back global warming so I can use my pool again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 08/28/2008
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Solar panels and pool cover dude, for your pool.

I guess you didn't have enough chance to explain yourself on the article titled
Arctic Ice Receding Due To Atmospheric Warming, Not Underwater Volcanoes

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/01/whats-up-with-volcanoes-under-arctic-sea-ice/

PS- your link does not equate eruptions and ice melting at all. But I am sure you knew that...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 08/28/2008

Great link by Onevoice! It is so curious how warming deniers can find the occasional article which seems to dismiss warming. But they dismiss 99.9% of the articles which confirm man-made warming.

According to Jeff Severinghaus, Scripps Institution of Oceanography:

I get this question too - and my usual response is to say, the average heat added from volcanoes to the ocean is of order 0.1 Watt per square meter. But the heat added (or removed) to the ocean from the sun and atmosphere is of order 100 Watt per square meter. So it is very hard for volcanoes to compete. Someone probably has much better estimates than these.

According to Peter Winsor, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution:

So, heat is released from volcanic activity, both from explosive larger events and more broad diffusive events, and in addition, from background geothermal heating. None of these will have any impact on the Arctic sea ice as the heat is trapped in the deep ocean and is unable to communicate with the upper ocean and sea ice.

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/01/whats-up-with-volcanoes-under-arctic-sea-ice/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 AM on 08/29/2008

Markie will desperately grasp at any straw to support his fervent belief that global warming is a liberal hoax. Don't bother pointing out the facts to him, it won't matter one bit. He don't need no stinking facts. Never mind pointing out how much heat seabed volcanoes would have to put out to heat up the entire Arctic basin before they could even begin melting any ice, the math would be totally lost on him.

An never, ever let facts, or math, get in the way of expressing a perfectly ignorant opinion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 08/29/2008

Yes, ohiomark thinks all those mean, liberal climate scientists sat in a room and plotted this whole warming hoax out to redistribute the wealth and turn us all into commies.

Conservatives will defend their right to the death to express an ignorant opinion. How dare you!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 08/29/2008

Markiemark explained it a while ago when he pointed out how much cooler it is after a good rain shower. Proves manmade global is a hoax. Now there's some real scientific analysis for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 AM on 08/30/2008

Why didn't they wait 3 weeks so that the data would be apples to apples? As it stands, there are 380,000 square miles MORE sea ice than last year. They wouldn't want to politicize this thing, would they?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 08/28/2008

No, if they have waited would you response be any different? Of course not!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 AM on 08/29/2008

Arctic ice is blown into the canadian water boundaries by cyclical wind patterns. This simply put is more global warming hype so scientist can obtain grant money and hypocrit peddlers of global warming such as al gore can get rich.


http://www.planetwater.ca/research/sea-ice.htm


This explains the shifting ice. It is also important to note every story posted on thinning ice is from the arctic ice sheet and not the antarctic ice sheet which is reported to be increasing in size.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 08/28/2008
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That research is over 6 years old (and published using word '97). And it is wrong. Nice of you to stay current.

If it is moving into Canadian waters why is their sea ice shrinking too?

http://ice-glaces.ec.gc.ca/Ice_Can/Arctic/CVCHDSDNCW.gif

http://ice-glaces.ec.gc.ca/app/WsvPageDsp.cfm?Lang=eng&lnid=40&ScndLvl=no&ID=11893

C'mon - do you really think scientist world wide are in on this so they can get grant money? geez-

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 08/28/2008

Yes I do, And I don't disbelieve the world climate may be warming. The problem I have with it is there is zero proof man is to blame, and it is hyped. It is hyped so scientists can get there grany money and so hypocrits such as al gore can get rich. Point is we don't know enough to say wiyth complete unequivical prrof that global warming is caused by man. Furthermore, treaties on the matter such as koyoto are designed to hamstring the US and they let India and China off the hook.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 08/28/2008

O proof?!!!! You don't live in reality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 08/29/2008

Your article says they launched "synthetic submarine cruises." In other words, they made up some data and then tried to explain it with a theory. Their data is make believe. Your article says the real submarines sent to measure the data observed that : "Averaged over 29 widely scattered locations, ice thinned more than 40% in barely three decades. Amounts of thinning differed in different regions, but an overall thinning pattern was clear. At this rate the Arctic would soon melt entirely!"

And this data in your cite is from the years 1978 to 1998. The ice has thinned rapidly in the last decade as well.

It is ironic how deniers so often use articles that actually discount the point they are trying to make.
Your cite says that submarines measured a sea ice loss of 40%. Then the authors of the cite instead estimate a 12% loss, but do not explain their methodology. It is all hocus pocus for the denying crowd.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 AM on 08/29/2008

The ice sheets in Antartica are increasing in thickness because the percipitation Australia used to get is falling on Antrartica, because of global warming, Nice try. I wish you were right about global warming, but you aren't. We have to act NOW if we are to save our planet and ourselves, if it's not too late already.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 08/29/2008


The most important sentence in the article is this one:

"It also means that climate warming is also coming larger and faster than the models are predicting and nobody's really taken into account that change yet," he [NASA ice scientist Jay Zwally] said.

For those of you who have been following my posts on this topic; this is _exactly_ what I have been telling you for about a year now. We have to act FAST - RIGHT NOW - to do everything we can to slow and hopefully reverse the process. The very most important thing we must focus on right now is "getting off oil." (and not replace it with coal!)
.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 08/28/2008

we are so f*cked!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 08/28/2008

I have been following your posts for the last year and I can testify that every word you said has been beyond dispute. You, sir, are an oracle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 AM on 08/29/2008
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With "dead zones" growing rapidly in our oceans and the extent of the garbage mounds piling up on beaches where the tides bring it in the idea people can ignore it all is truly based on the lack of real attention MSM has placed on these issues. When some Bush "monitors" were checking out the ice melt supposedly, they noticed polar bears swimming in the ocean. The sad thing was they didn't think it was any problem even though the bears were miles away from and land or ice and would die out there "swiming" due to being exhausted from trying to reach anywhere. With people like that and Bush having people not qualified re-writing what scientists wrote what hcance does the earth have when others count on the US still for true information?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 08/28/2008

It's called Summer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 08/28/2008

And who said it wasn't? That would be no one. The question is whether it seems to be melting more every year. There's no question that it's summer, there's no question we've always had hurricanes. The question would be are they happening more frequently.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 08/28/2008


I'm not sure, but I think we're not having summers any more frequently. How often did they occur in the past?

... -smile-

Actually, most climate researchers I've spoken with say it's not so much a question of frequency of hurricanes but rather of their increased intensity...
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 08/29/2008

A funny thing about all the posts. People post after reading this article and post about how it is a hoax. Know why? They are scared!

Look at the posts below; they have more "anti" postings then a McCain troll's posting history. Seriously. They are scared, they just hope that they can project their cynicism enough to convince themselves that their isn't a problem.

These are the same people who die from pneumonia becuase they say its just a little cough.

When nature tells you there is a problem, you better shut up, listen, and do something about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 08/28/2008

Americans are generally unwilling to accept the fact that tackling climate change as aggressively as necessary will more likely than not require a significant change in lifestyle. If people could get over that, we would be well on our way, but unfortunately the "American Dream" comes back to bite us in the a**

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 08/28/2008
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We can do something about this. Human pollution may not be the only factor in global warming - but there is no doubt that we are contributing. I live in NW Missouri and we are seeing wind farm spring up - right in the middle of good pasture land...............
http://thefiresidepost.com/2007/10/29/wind-and-wild-energy-and-nature/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 08/28/2008
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