Clinton's Wealthy Die-Hards Are Contradicting Her Campaign's Message

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First Posted: 08-27-08 02:37 PM   |   Updated: 09-27-08 05:12 AM

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Back in primary season, Hillary Clinton said her campaign was dedicated to serving people "with needs" while her opponent's appeal was aesthetic in nature, and therefore best appreciated by well-heeled voters. The message: Hillary was fighting for you, while Obama was talking for them.

This line of attack was born in a 2007 Mark Penn memo, in which the strategist wrote: "We are the candidate of people with needs. We win women, lower classes, and Democrats (about 3 to 1 in our favor). Obama wins men, upper class, and independents ... "

But, in an interesting reversal, some of the most high-profile Hillary die-hards at this late date are pretty wealthy by any standard. And despite the tiny degree of actual policy dispute between Clinton and Obama during the primaries, some of these well-off dissidents are flirting with the idea of helping out John McCain in the general election.

In an article published the morning before Sen. Clinton's Tuesday address, multi-millionaire Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild spread some venom in the Washington Independent, indirectly referring to Obama a "loser" and someone "who's not qualified to be president." When asked if she would put her rolodex to work for Obama, soliciting the same kinds of donations that she has for so many Democratic candidates in the past, Rothschild said she has not decided, and added that she could work for the GOP this year, though "more in sadness than anger."

In a previous interview with the Huffington Post, Rothschild had said that the convention could be a time and place for intra-party healing. "There's a lot he can do at the convention to prove his respect for both Clintons. That would be very, very welcome," she said in July. "If that were done, it would be inevitable that millions of people would support Obama with time, money and votes."

Apparently, she doesn't think much of what's happened so far in Denver, where both Hillary and Bill have been given prime speaking slots. (Repeated requests for a follow-up interview with Rothschild were not granted.)

She is not the only such mega-donor to have resisted the purported unity project in Denver, either. As Joan Walsh has reported, Esprit founder Susie Thompkins Buell only decided to come to the convention at the last minute. While here, she has held a fundraiser, but only for her new political action committee -- not Obama or the DNC. Hollywood billionaire Haim Saban is also reportedly on the fence, and has yet to chip in any money to the Obama campaign.

Last night, when Hillary rhetorically asked her supporters whether they had only participated in the campaign "for her" -- and not for those in need of the help her campaign wanted to provide -- the assumed answer was, of course, "no." In light of Clinton's old charge that Obama's supporters were vanity-stricken elitists, the fact that some of her wealthiest fans still can't bring themselves to back her former opponent appears, well, rich.

Back in primary season, Hillary Clinton said her campaign was dedicated to serving people "with needs" while her opponent's appeal was aesthetic in nature, and therefore best appreciated by well-heele...
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Rothschild (indeed, any Hillary supporter) would work with the GOP neither from sadness nor from anger, but from pettiness and spite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 08/28/2008
- pattio66 I'm a Fan of pattio66 9 fans permalink

Okay, both Hill and Bill have made their speeches. Now can they crawl back into the tar pit they came from? I was a staunch Clinton supporter throughout the impeachment, and Hill would have had my vote for Senate had she come home to IL for that race. But their behavior throughout the primary season left a really bad taste in my mouth and now I just want them to go away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 08/28/2008

THey will go away. and so will their supporters. I just gave to Greens and will actively promote their platform. YOu can stay with the born-again crowd that pass themselves as progressives.
Good luck winning a single state without REAL Democrats who are abandoning this idol worship in droves..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 AM on 08/29/2008
- DRaymond I'm a Fan of DRaymond 67 fans permalink
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Lets be honest here, the Uber-rich do not toss money at politicl candidates for philantropy. They regard it as an investment, which will pay back in either reduced taxes or access or a favorable regulatory environment. They aren't really interested in whether or not 'respect' has been paid to Hillary, they care about what's in it for them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 08/28/2008
- pcplz I'm a Fan of pcplz 7 fans permalink
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I agree.....­they are the top 1% that the Repugs favor. I imagine that the amount of taxes that they will have to cough up will make them have to live month to month like the rest of us......bl­ess their hearts. They will have to search for the kitchen table.....­.the kitchen is the domain of the servants..­...their's is the dining room.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 08/28/2008
- MsLiz I'm a Fan of MsLiz 106 fans permalink
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Perhaps they want the social influence. They would have photos of themselves with the president to display in their homes and offices. They could drop comments about spending a weekend at Martha's Vineyard with the Clintons. This is just not something they can feature themselves doing with the Obamas. The color would clash with their decor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 08/28/2008
- GravitonX I'm a Fan of GravitonX 64 fans permalink
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Ah, these so-called "diehard" wealthy Clinton supporter just a bunch of selfish opportunists angry that their "investment" in buying futures favors from a HRC Presidency just went down the tubes.

Make no mistake...

They are not for Hillary (Hillary has moved on)...

They are for themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 08/28/2008
- Boadicea I'm a Fan of Boadicea 67 fans permalink

Let's face the truth here. Bill Clinton, and later, HIllary, created symbiotic relationships with these uber-wealthy donors and fundraisers they brought into the Democratic Party. These rich corporate elite are pissed that they will not be getting the easy access to power that they enjoyed during the Clinton years. (Let's not forget it was Bill Clinton who signed the Tellecommunications Act that has brought us the singular, propagandized media message that Americans now enjoy.)

These Clinton supporters enjoyed feeling righteous as part of the party of equality for all, but they weren't donating for the causes the Democratic Party champions, or they would still be happy to contribute. No, they supported the Democratic Party because of what they felt they could get out of it. The defeat of the Clintons has cut off their access to that power.
It's perfectly logical for these people to turn to McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 08/28/2008
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It isn't worth the time or effort to castigate such a small group of PUMAs at this late date. The Clinton drama is officially over. I give Susie Thompkins Buell credit for reading the writing on the wall and then seeing the bigger picture. None of us are as strong as all of us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 08/28/2008
- GravitonX I'm a Fan of GravitonX 64 fans permalink
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PUMAS are Republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 08/28/2008
- jeanrenoir I'm a Fan of jeanrenoir 125 fans permalink

It IS worth castigating these people, and fighting their efforts to destroy Obama every step of the way. Thank God for the watchdog bloggers who make it impossible these days for these creeps, or any others, to betray America's best hopes in the shadows. These PUMAs can, and will, join with rich Republican neocons to annihilate Obama for their shared vision of Israel's "defense" needs in America, needs which brought us the insane war in Iraq for Israel, and now threaten us with a war in Iran for Israel as a follow-up. Obama-Biden are our only hope to stop these lunatics, and to actually pursue policies which might protect Israel in reality instead of twisted megalomaniacal fantasies of the superrich.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 08/28/2008

The Lady obviously ain't no Lady, nor has any class. My grandchildren will not

be receiving Esprit any longer. I believe these women are actually repugs in

sheeps clothing.

I held my breath as Bill came to the podium. I was astounded by Hillary's face

as Bill got such a resounding welcome. Her face had an expression of realizing

that Bill was still the star. He did a wonderful job and gave a great speech.

The old Bill is back, not the angry red-faced, finger pointing figure we witnessed

the last 7 months.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 08/28/2008
- jeanrenoir I'm a Fan of jeanrenoir 125 fans permalink

They are not just Repugs in sheeps clothing, but neocons, which is worse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 08/28/2008
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At this point, I don't think it has to do with money, it's race-based.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 AM on 08/28/2008
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

When you have nothing else, go to the race card. Good philosophy.

Bottom line...it'­s their money, their vote, they can do what they want and don't have to justify it to you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 08/28/2008
- Avembe I'm a Fan of Avembe 5 fans permalink

I do agree with Birbal because she has given No explanations about her concerns
Millions of die-hard but regular HRC's supporters have decide to make the move
But she is still saying that she's willing to betray those regular people...S­incerely, tell me what would that change in her Bank account if she does vote against Mc CAIN?
N.O.T.H.I.­N.G!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!­!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 08/28/2008

"They can do what they want with their money." Absolutely. Like put it where the sun don't shine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 08/28/2008

I absolutely must agree with you. It is truely a race issue here. It is just the fact that many older individual just cannot come to grips with the idea of this country being lead by a black leader.

That just the bottom line. It is not about BO experience or leadership, if you stop and look back every individual who has been elected POUS in modern history had little to no foreign policy experience. Did GWB have any foreign leadership experience?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 08/28/2008
- JimR I'm a Fan of JimR 38 fans permalink

Eh, I don't know.... I think it's more about their own colossal egos dealing with the fact that their access to power is gone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 08/28/2008
- GravitonX I'm a Fan of GravitonX 64 fans permalink
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Geraldine Ferraro is one angry token right about now. LOL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 08/28/2008
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It is increasingly amazing to me that people would settle for 8 more years of the BS we have just endured out of spite.....­.oh, sorry. They're multi-millionaires.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 08/28/2008
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Get over it, you bitter freaks!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 08/28/2008
- Mahi Joe I'm a Fan of Mahi Joe 49 fans permalink

Forget about these rich donators. You win by the numbers. If five rich people defect and are replaced by five poor people the score balances out even. Obama is running a grassroots campaign and if he gets the numbers, he wins.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 AM on 08/28/2008

Money matters.

Money lets you buy advertising time to win undecided voters, lets you pay for poll monitors to prevent electioneering and abuse of the voting process, lets you pay for campaign infrastructure and staff. In that sense, the campaign needs five wealthy donors far more than five poor voters. Sorry, it's not "fair" but it's the reality on the ground.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 08/28/2008
- Mahi Joe I'm a Fan of Mahi Joe 49 fans permalink

Let me rephrase it. Those "few" rich donators won't make much of a difference. The bulk of Obama's money comes from small donations. Yes, I agree we need money to pay for ads and staff etc. We are, or at least I am, talking about a few disgruntled rich folk who seem to think their money is better spent on McCain who will continue to subsidize and provide tax breaks for the rich. Those are NOT our base, those are true Repubs and good riddance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 08/28/2008
- Glowcy I'm a Fan of Glowcy 10 fans permalink

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The Clintons are the public face of Democratic Party uber monied interests. The Rothchild comments are confirmation that the uber wealthy, who own the Clintons, made Hillary stay in the primaries. It would be comforting but not expected if the democratic uber wealthy would go along with Hillary who said no way, no how, no McCain.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 AM on 08/28/2008
- 67yrolfe I'm a Fan of 67yrolfe 8 fans permalink
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I’m very glad that the Clinton’s are helping put the Democratic Party back together. That’s the only decent thing to do since they helped break it apart! I'm not criticizing but I'm not ready to help them pay off her debt. I'm not as rich as the Rothchilds. That said, I was more impressed by Bills speech tonight than Hillary’s last night. Her speech was good and most welcomed. But Bill said some things that she needed to say last night and he showed a great deal of humility in the process. I have very rarely seen humility from Hillary. As for Lady Rothchild and Hillary’s (and Bill's) extremely wealthy corporate neo-con friends; I’m sure she can be a great help to their causes as a Senator as she has been in the past. Obviously, they'd rather have the ear of a President -- so I guess they'll just have to throw their support behind McCain and hope to get lucky. Maybe he'll pick Lieberman as his VP to make them even happier. Just a few more corporate neo-cons out of the way that Senator Obama won't have to concern himself with when he becomes POTUS. So good riddance to them!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 AM on 08/28/2008

"I was more impressed by Bills speech tonight than Hillary"s last night. Her speech was good and most welcomed. But Bill said some things that she needed to say last night and he showed a great deal of humility in the process. I have very rarely seen humility from Hillary."

I totally agree! I loved the remark that Obama "hit it out of the park" by choosing Biden. Bill was transcendent. Hillary did the minimum, and (to me) seemed to be simply reading what she had prepared - pretty flat. Of course, I could have done better than both! ;-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 AM on 08/28/2008

Even though i didn't support her and at times was more than upset with the Clintons in general, i'm easily willing to admit that they did what they and Obama needed them to. Its time to let go of the primaries and move into the general and on to the White House.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 08/28/2008
- LeoMarvin I'm a Fan of LeoMarvin 35 fans permalink
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The right answer to Hillary's question is "neither." The PUMAs weren't in it for Hillary, and they weren't in it for anyone who's counting on a progressive agenda. They were in it for themselves, to feed their own narcissism and nurse their own petty grievances.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 AM on 08/28/2008

Your analasys is sooo deep. Maybe Obama does not represent some issues we consider important. Have you thought about that ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 AM on 08/28/2008

Im not trying to troll, but please do share, what issues do they (significantly) differ on? I will submit slight policy differences in their health care programs (but i think we all know that anyone's health care program would have looked different on the other side of the election, i.e. "things change")..­. But what other policy differences drive a wedge between you and Barack?

Thanks!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 AM on 08/28/2008
- JimR I'm a Fan of JimR 38 fans permalink

What issues are those? Clinton and Obama aren't very far apart on policy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 08/28/2008
- Heidfeld I'm a Fan of Heidfeld 11 fans permalink

Yes, yet another Obamabot blind to the truth that is staring them in the face...

The problem is, and always will be, Obama. These people are neither Hillary obsessed nor self obsessed.

The simple fact is that they look at Obama and are in no way convinced. There is nothing about him that leads them to believe he can win the election or lead effectively. So is it so wrong for them to still want their party to put forth a decent candidate? If they only cared about themselves, they would only care about their own votes... not the nomination of the party. No?

As for the article, I find it interesting that there are a lot of people out there (some with big money as mentioned in the article, some without) who simply see right through Obama. These people have been around the block, and have some 'life experience­.' They know the genuine article when they see it. They can spot someone with potential for success, and someone without it.

To these people posessing this insight, Obama is a bad choice to be the party's nominee. And when you put him next to Clinton, it looks even worse. These same people know that McCain is an idiot, but that doesn't make them feel any better about Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 AM on 08/28/2008
- Tropiholic I'm a Fan of Tropiholic 20 fans permalink

Pooma has nothing to do with hillary and everything to do with the self absorbed, disappointed, bitter brooomstickers making 0bama the object of all their failures in life You don't like 0bama don't vote for him, quit your threats, nobody cares..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 AM on 08/28/2008

Nothing about him...? And this about a candidate who routed the Clintons despite all the money and establishment support the Clintons had? This about a candidate who out-organised, out-mobilised, out-witted, out-played the Clintons? The sam candidate who overturned all the advantages Hillary Clinton had? It's a fine thing that Obama is underestimated. And after showing his clear strategic and organization skills in this campaing, people still doubt him. And, frankly, I'd be afraid to put anything into Mrs. Clinton's hands; her campaing collapsed under her; why should anyone trust her with the presidency?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 AM on 08/28/2008
- Mahi Joe I'm a Fan of Mahi Joe 49 fans permalink

Heidfeld, I agree with you in part. These people are probably not Hillary obsessed and maybe not even self obsessed. I would categorize them more as either ill informed, Rovian shills or rich individuals who are in it for themselves. These big money people do indeed see through Obama. Obama is advocating closing tax loopholes, no more subsidies for the rich and making the rich corporations pay their fair share of taxes. The one thing which we completely agree upon is "McCain is an idiot".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 AM on 08/28/2008
- JimR I'm a Fan of JimR 38 fans permalink

"They know the genuine article when they see it. They can spot someone with potential for success, and someone without it. "

These are probably the same people who said no way could he get elected to the state senate. Whoops! They were wrong.

These are probably the same people who said no way could get elected to the U.S. Senate. Whoops! Wrong again.

These are probably the same people who said no way, no how could he beat the Clinton machine in the Democratic primaries. Whoops!

Yeah, keep talking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 08/28/2008
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Your entire comment is risible.

that's all there is to say about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 08/28/2008
- John51 I'm a Fan of John51 10 fans permalink

Why would anyone think that voting for McCain is an acceptable protest of the nomination of Sen. Obama over Sen. Clinton. I believe that Sen. McCain is a pathetic individual desperate to become President. Sen. McCain's was raised a spoiled brat prone to bursts of rage when not entertained. As a young adult, Sen. McCain was shiftless and often failed at tasks requiring minimal effort. Although a great disappointment to his father, he wasn't permitted to fail for the sake of the family name. McCain’s imprisonment as a POW was also made easier because of his father's position. Examples, given by McCain’s captor, include McCain's wrist weren’t tied as tight as other prisoners, and beatings and other punishments were less harsh. McCain’s captor was relocated to the U.S. after the war. I respect Sen. McCain's military service as time served honorably just as I respect the service of millions of Americans who have fought, and or died to uphold America's freedoms. Many of us honorably served our country but don’t claim the entitlements that apparently Sen. McCain expects. Sen. McCain's campaign for the presidency has been disgraceful. He has run a desperate campaign based on lies about himself and his opponent. I do not find Sen. McCain’s present behavior honorable; it is the behavior of a desperate, angry, old man perhaps trying to prove he’s no longer that embarrassing son. Maybe these particular donors share Sen. McCain’s sense of entitlement and need for redemption. Sen. Clinton deserves much more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 AM on 08/28/2008
- procrustes I'm a Fan of procrustes 4 fans permalink

"Why would anyone think that voting for McCain is an acceptable protest...­"

American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). Many of the powerful leaders of Israel want us to continue to fight/support their wars. The "Lieberman Effect" is probably the best example of an American politician coopted for Israeli interests.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 AM on 08/28/2008
- WoodyIV I'm a Fan of WoodyIV 5 fans permalink

But Clinton and Obama are approximately on the same page here. So why settle for McCain if you were going for Hillary in the first place?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 08/28/2008

I've gotta say, no matter how much you may dislike John McCain, what you just wrote about him in a factual tone is despicable, and above this blog. You are engaging in the same kind of Corsi definitions of a man as the extremist conservatives are known for. I'm no fan of McCain and I've been telling everyone around me about Obama, but writing something like that just has that slimy feel of Sean Hannity. As responsible individuals for Obama, we must show everyone who is undecided that we are the reasonable ones whereas they spew baseless hateful messages, and John51, this isn't helping.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 AM on 08/28/2008
- John51 I'm a Fan of John51 10 fans permalink

Just because you dislike what I write about McCain does not make it untrue. I am an Arizonan, and because John McCain is our representative, Arizonans have been exposed to much more of McCain's history than the fairytale that the national media has reported to the rest of our nation. We have been made aware of McCain's corruption, his uncontrolled anger, his disrespect of women, and of his treatment and behavior as a POW through several journalistic investigative pieces over the years. Much of McCain's history is not reported in the MSN and people are beginning to question why. Sen. McCain is only human and I don't pretend to know that I know I would have behaved differently in the same set of circumstances but the truth is just that, the truth. Contrary to your belief, I don't dislike McCain; I just feel his behavior during this campaign is despicable and beneath the dignity of an honorable American. This behavior didn't just begin in July of 2008 but has been the McCain hallmark throughout his life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 08/28/2008

" McCain"s captor was relocated to the U.S. after the war. " - Is this a fact ????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 AM on 08/28/2008
- John51 I'm a Fan of John51 10 fans permalink

Yes, one was. The, "Warden," is still in VN but likes McCain; I've attached an interview by the BBC. He is very upfront about his part and denies McCain was tortured. Fellow POWs also denied McCain was tortured and some say he collaborated; there is evidence of collaboration. There is some info available before The Navy sealed the debriefings.

I am not stating McCain is vile or unpatriotic American but I am saying he is no more a hero than the next guy who served his country and he is not entitled to the privileges he apparently expects. His behavior during this campaign is vile and reflects one's values. McCain has consistently lied about his experiences and the experiences of others.

You may read excerpts from the Phoenix New Times story on McCain (some are quoted on this site). The New Times is an investigative newspaper published every week in the Phoenix Metro Area and is a creditable source of in depth news coverage. The BBC site is also pasted below.

http://www.counterpunch.org/valentine06132008.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7459946.stm

Minimal research will provide further coverage of all sides of this issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 08/28/2008

Whoa, there, Seth. Her "campaign?" I was under the impression that she had stopped campaigning a couple of months ago. Whatever these delusional die-hards think, there is no campaign for Hillary Clinton, other than the one she now supports; that of Barack Obama.

Oh, I'm sure that Faux News and some of the pundits will be saying right up to November that there's "some question" whether the Clintons will be fully on board. I fully expect that either Hannity or O'Reilly (maybe even both) will at some point drag a dead horse onto the set and literally beat on it with sticks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 AM on 08/28/2008
- soupson52 I'm a Fan of soupson52 14 fans permalink

Shadow, thanks for the dead horse line! What a picture it paints!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 08/28/2008
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