Russia Frees 12 Georgians, Request For China's Support Rebuffed

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STEVE GUTTERMAN | August 28, 2008 11:04 PM EST | AP

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MOSCOW — Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin accused the United States on Thursday of instigating the fighting in Georgia and said he suspects a connection to the U.S. presidential campaign _ a contention the White House dismissed as "patently false."

In a decision he said was unrelated to unraveling Russia-U.S. ties, Putin ordered that 19 American poultry producers be barred from selling their products to Russia. He said the unnamed companies ignored demands that they correct alleged deficiencies.

Putin, the former president and architect of an assertive foreign policy that has stoked East-West tension, suggested in an interview with CNN that there was an American presence amid the combat with a potential domestic U.S. political motive.

"We have serious grounds to think that there were U.S. citizens right in the combat zone" during Russia's war with the U.S.-allied ex-Soviet republic, he said the interview broadcast on state-run Russian television. "And if that's so, if that is confirmed, it's very bad. It's very dangerous."

Putin's acid attack on the United States came as Moscow's bid to redraw Georgia's borders hit an obstacle among its Asian allies who refused to recognize the two Russian-backed breakaway regions of Georgia. France, meanwhile, said the European Union is considering sanctions against Russia for its conduct in the Caucasus.

Putin said that Russia had hoped the U.S. would restrain Georgia, which Moscow accuses of starting the war by attacking South Ossetia on Aug. 7. Instead, he suggested the U.S. encouraged the nation's leadership to try to rein in the separatist region by force.

"The American side in fact armed and trained the Georgian army," Putin said. "Why hold years of difficult talks and seek complex compromise solutions in interethnic conflicts? It's easier to arm one side and push it into the murder of the other side, and it's over.

"It seems like an easy solution. In reality it turns out that it's not always so," he said.

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The United States has close ties with the Georgian government and has trained Georgian units. The Pentagon has said that the U.S. had about 130 trainers in Georgia when the fighting erupted earlier this month, including a few dozen civilians who were all working to prepare the Georgian forces for deployment to Iraq.

But Russian officials have made statements aimed to convey the idea that Americans may have directly supported Georgia's offensive.

At a briefing Tuesday, the deputy chief of Russian military general staff, Col. Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn, showed off a color copy of what he said was a U.S. passport found in a basement in a village in South Ossetia among items that belonged to Georgian forces.

"We found a passport for Michael Lee White," Nogovitsyn said. "He's a Texan."

The U.S. Embassy in Georgia said it had no information on the matter.

In an interview with France 24 to be aired Friday, Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili said there were no American "commanders or even advisers" in the conflict zone. He said the conflict had nothing to do with the U.S., but "the aggression of the Russians."

Putin appeared to link claims of an American presence amid the combat with a potential domestic U.S. political motive.

"If my guesses are confirmed, then that raises the suspicion that somebody in the United States purposefully created this conflict with the aim of aggravating the situation and creating an advantage ... for one of the candidates in the battle for the post of U.S. president."

Putin did not name a party, a candidate or provide evidence to back his claims. But some pro-Kremlin Russian politicians have argued that U.S. Republicans hoped the Georgia fighting would stir support for their presidential candidate John McCain, a strong Kremlin critic who has tried to make security issues a strong suit.

White House press secretary Dana Perino called Putin's contentions "patently false." She said "it also sounds like his defense officials who said they believe this to be true are giving him really bad advice."

She added: "To suggest that the United States orchestrated this on behalf of a political candidate just sounds not rational."

Perino said Russia is facing the consequences of a diminished global reputation and that "there will be other" consequences as well. She refused to say what they would be and said there is no timetable.

The Russian leader maintained that the poultry decision was unrelated to the Georgia issue. He said that the 19 producers ignored the demands to correct the problems following inspections. He said another 29 producers would receive warnings.

"We try and keep our industry out of politics and into marketing opportunities, but sometimes it's very difficult to separate the two," said Jim Sumner, president of the U.S.A. Poultry & Egg Export Council. He said Russia is a major market for American producers.

U.S. producers supply nearly 75 percent of the total poultry import quota set by Russia, which stands at 1.2 million tons. Russia represented the largest export market for chicken broilers made by U.S. producers in the first half of this year, Sumner said.

Sumner said he expected the alleged plant deficiencies to be corrected within weeks or a few months and said the stoppage would not have a major impact on U.S. producers.

Russia is an important market for many poultry producers, including the nation's largest chicken producer, Pilgrim's Pride Inc., as well as Sanderson Farms Inc. and Tyson Foods Inc., the world's largest meat company.

Shares of many meat producers, including top hog producer Smithfield Foods Inc., tumbled Thursday on worries about potential cuts by Russia.

"At this point if Russia were to walk back from certain agreements they have made, it would clearly delay any future aspirations they have of joining the World Trade Organization," said Sean Spicer, spokesman for U.S. Trade Representative Susan Schwab.

In Tajikistan, China and four Central Asian nations criticized the West, but wary of separatists at home, they stopped short of heeding Russia's call to recognize the breakaway Georgia regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

Moscow had appealed to the Shanghai Cooperation Organization _ whose members are Russia, China, and four Central Asian countries of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan _ for unanimous support of Moscow's response to Georgia's "aggression."

Alexei Malashenko, an analyst at the Carnegie Moscow Center, said the summit highlighted Russia's isolation.

"The Soviet Union was not so alone even in 1968," he said on Ekho Moskvy radio, referring to the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia.

Western leaders have added condemnation of Russian recognition to their accusations that Moscow used disproportionate force in its Georgia offensive and has fallen far short of its withdrawal commitments under an EU cease-fire deal.

The EU is "trying to draw up a strong text signifying our unwillingness to accept" Russia's stance, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said Thursday. "Sanctions are being considered ... and many other means as well," Kouchner said.

The Foreign Ministry said later that France was not behind a sanctions proposal.

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Associated Press Writers Peter Leonard and Olga Tutubalina in Dushanbe, Tajikistan; Jim Heintz and Misha Dzhindzhikhashvili in Tbilisi, Georgia; and Catrina Stewart, Nataliya Vasilyeva, David Nowak, Doug Birch and Mansur Mirovalev in Moscow, Natasha Metzler in Washington and business writer Emily Fredrix in Milwaukee contributed to this report.

MOSCOW — Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin accused the United States on Thursday of instigating the fighting in Georgia and said he suspects a connection to the U.S. presidential campaign _ ...
MOSCOW — Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin accused the United States on Thursday of instigating the fighting in Georgia and said he suspects a connection to the U.S. presidential campaign _ ...
 
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Russia has bucks, no debt and a hughe expanding market; Europe is in no mood to isolate them; neither are we when it comes right down to it.
Wait until the boys in Wall Street start putting the pressure on Washington.
Make money, not war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 AM on 08/30/2008

You hit the nail on the head finally.

This is exactly why you should not believe Putin's bluster, which you seem to
in your other posts. The threats from Putin are not real. It is a dance about who
will have access to pots of money. No one wants a war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 08/30/2008

Bush and McCain want war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 PM on 09/01/2008

It's take over 3 weeks for the Necon MSM propaganda spin to show some major cracks.

Buchanin, Ron Paul, Wesley Clark and Kucinich get that Georgia attacked, that the Neocons are trying to start more war.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/22/russian-forces-begin-pull_n_120594.html?show_comment_id=14882517#comment_14882517

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 AM on 08/29/2008
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No worries Mr. Saakashvili, Barack will have a nice talk with Putin and all will be well! Just have plenty of changes of underwear ready!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 08/28/2008
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Does anyone know what the Chinese word/phrase for 'peace' is? In Chinese, peace is made of two parts: He Ping. 'He' means harmony; 'Ping' means balance

Chinese learned the secret to peace: 'balance' and 'harmony'.

When the powers are not balanced, it is hard to have harmony, therefor peace is hard to attain.
http://www.chinationreport.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 PM on 08/28/2008
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Nothing could be better for Red China than conflict between The United States and Russia, either a renewed cold war or even outright full blown warfare, only Red China would be the winner in that type of lunacy..!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 08/28/2008

THIS IS ABSOLUTE BS. Read the report of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization in the Australian press:

"Russia wins backing from China"
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24256861-401,00.html
"RUSSIA today won support from China and Central Asian states in its standoff with the West over the Georgia conflict as the European Union said it was weighing sanctions against Moscow.

Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev said he hoped the "united position'' of a summit of Central Asian nations would ``serve as a serious signal to those who try to turn black into white.''

The West has strongly condemned Russia's military offensive in Georgia this month and Medvedev's decision to recognise the breakaway Georgian regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia as independent states."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 08/28/2008

Aug. 27,2008 People's Daily.

China is "concerned of the latest development in South Ossetia and Abkhazia," Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said on Wednesday.

"We have a knowledge of the complicated history and reality of the South Ossetia and Abkhazia issues," Qin said. "In accordance with China's consistent and principled stance on issues of this kind, we hope the relevant parties can resolve the issue through dialogue and consultation."

Rebuffed?---Just want to stay away from the meaningless fight that is not theirs. Ah, if not the NAto would do the same.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 08/28/2008

This is sad.

Why does our own media spend so much time lying to us?
If Americans are actually stupid, it is not our fault that we are.
Our media and institutions spend a great amount of time making sure Americans are viewed as
stupid. The distortion of truth in the media is simply frightening.
It is too late in the day for this kind of stuff. Why lie to people about things that will be shown to be lies
in very short order? The realities of the world, no longer can be avoided by just pretending they dont exist. We can spend all year spinning our own news, but that has no effect on Russia or its actions.
What worries me is that all this lying accomplishes nothing other than undermining our own country and its goals. If we are actually ever put to the test, how many Americans are going to believe our leaders enough to defend the "American" position?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 08/28/2008
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I love the perino double-speak. She always denies the obvious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 08/28/2008

For a low level White House mouthpiece to dismiss so cavalierly a very serious allegation from the Prime Minister of Russia, a super power
[White House press secretary Dana Perino called Putin's contentions "patently false." ]
is very, very rude and downright dangerous. Bush himself should have replied or at least his Secretary of State, with a well nuanced position designed not to offend and yet affirm one's ( the US) position. Don't you Americans know the very basics of diplomacy and diplomatic protocol?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 08/30/2008
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Russia needs to be brought back to the world community, not through threats and more missisle but through dialog and multi-lateral diplomacy. Read McCain's response to the Russia /Georgia crisis and Obama's, you will know who can manage crisis better. Some are good at fueling crisis. Some are good at bringing crisis under control. One approach focuses on the big 'ME' - be it the big America or the big ego McCain, the other approach focuses on the true interests of the people, the people that fundamentally don't want wars any more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 08/28/2008
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Tony Blair wrote a most compelling piece comparing China today with America at its best, full of hope, no fear, 'Above all, there was a confidence, an optimism, a lack of the cynical, and a presence of the spirit of get up and go, that reminded me greatly of the U.S. at its best and any country on its way forward.' Link here under Politics: http://www.chinationreport.com/
Between Obama/Biden and McCain/?, the choice is clear, guns don't solve the world's problems anymore. They make things worse. China's rise was not through guns but 30 years of peaceful constructive work and transformation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 08/28/2008

From the Guardian

But what is clear is that America's unipolar moment has passed - and the new world order heralded by Bush's father in the dying days of the Soviet Union in 1991 is no more. The days when one power was able to bestride the globe like a colossus, enforcing its will in every continent, challenged only by popular movements for national independence and isolated "rogue states", are now over. For nearly two decades, while Russia sunk into "catastroika" and China built an economic powerhouse, the US has exercised unprecedented and unaccountable global power, arrogating to itself and its allies the right to invade and occupy other countries, untroubled by international law or institutions, sucking ever more states into the orbit of its voracious military alliance.

"There has been much talk among western politicians in recent days about Russia isolating itself from the international community. But unless that simply means North America and Europe, nothing could be further from the truth.

While the western view is that the world "should support the underdog, Georgia, against Russia ... most support Russia against the bullying west. The gap between the western narrative and the rest of the world could not be clearer.""

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/28/russia.usforeignpolicy/print

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 08/28/2008

From the Press

The Financial Times headline of August 18 2008 proclaimed:

"West in united front over Georgia". It should have read: "Rest of the world faults west on Georgia". Why? A lack of strategic thinking."

"The gap between the western narrative and the rest of the world could not be greater."

"In Georgia, Russia has loudly declared that it will no longer capitulate to the west. After two decades of humiliation Russia has decided to snap back. Before long, other forces will do the same. As a result of its overwhelming power, the west has intruded into the geopolitical spaces of other dormant countries. They are no longer dormant, especially in Asia.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c65798bc-6ec6-11dd-a80a-0000779fd18c.html

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 08/28/2008

The 'West' here means NATO.

The peoples of Europe may be seen opposing the administration in the voluminous letters to the editor and OpEds. Note that the former is selected by the 'opinion engineers' and the latter is even more selective.

Ironically, such voices were not heard in the build up to Iraq's invasion. I suppose the lesson was learnt even by the Western public information system - but not the US one, I am afraid....

Look up the British Guardian.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 08/28/2008

History suggests:

1. The lesson of Georgia is learned. The US administration, in the next few months have a choice of either starting a regional conflict between Russia and its neighbors (ruled by puppets and with little public support, but with US Navy helicopters hovering 24 hours a day, ready to evacuate them when the crowd surround their fancy palaces); or accept the status quo, create a smokescreen of 'sanctions' and 'retribution' etc. which would only help Russia in establishing leadership of the anti-administration, anti-US camp (and on the popular level, Russia has the world - thanks to our bullying and scheming administration)
2. The crisis will pass with Russia ensconced as the second pole in a bi-polar world leadership, which US administration have to reckon with, and with maverick Europe, dependent on Russia for energy and trade (Just yesterday, BMW announced that they sold more card in Russia than in Germany... Go figure).

And for that, and in place of genuine partnership with growingly a rich country with endless supply of talent and highly educated population... we have our wretched Neo-Cons to thank....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 08/28/2008

Obviously Russia is more concerned with Chinese support than Republican bluster. They and the other central Asian nations are the only ones capable of bringing anything more than words to pressure Russia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 08/28/2008
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