Poll Madness: McCain Takes Lead Even As Democrats Out-Register Republicans?

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First Posted: 09- 9-08 05:01 PM   |   Updated: 10-10-08 05:12 AM

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This week's mainstream coverage of the presidential horse-race has been dominated by a series of polls showing the McCain-Palin ticket with its first stable lead over Obama and Biden. Gallup's tracking poll, USA Today and CBS News all show the Republicans with some kind of lead over the Democratic ticket. But, interestingly, all three polls were also conducted using a higher sampling of Republican voters than in July, raising a question of methodology.

In a year in which Democrats have a lead of 11 million registered voters over Republicans, and have been adding to that advantage through a robust field operation, are pollsters over-sampling Republicans?

Despite a raft of advantages in the electorate for Democrats, in September's first Gallup tracking poll, an equal number of Republicans and Democrats were surveyed (including "leaners") from Sept. 3-5, compared to a 10-point Democratic identification advantage two weeks ago. That partisan makeup of the polling pool resulted in a 5-point lead for McCain in Sept. 5 tracking poll. Meanwhile, the new CBS poll features a 6-point swing in partisan composition toward Republicans, which plays some role in the poll's two-point lead for McCain. Finally, the latest USA Today poll, which claims a four-point edge for McCain, was arrived at after a 10-point swing in partisan makeup toward GOP respondents.

Some polling experts say the changing state of party affiliation in the field is slow to be reflected in polls themselves. Democratic pollster Anna Greenberg told the Huffington Post that "when it comes to registration and turnout, the polls often do a very bad job of taking those [factors] into account," because newly registered voters aren't in the voter files used by firms that survey public opinion. "You could make the argument they are under-representing new registrants," she said, which would mean that the Democrats new edge would not be taken into account.

Monday's USA Today poll had a 48-47 split between Democrats and Republicans surveyed. That represents a nearly 10 point shift in party identification toward Republicans since USA Today's July polling. When asked for comment, USA Today polling editor Jim Norman wrote that "it's possible" that their latest sample includes too many Republicans. Though he added, "it's also possible that we have too many Democrats," because "there's always the chance of an over- or under-representation" in polls.

Still, Norman admitted that the GOP identification in the latest survey has spiked. "The party ID in our most recent poll does show a shift away from what Gallup has been getting in earlier polls, going all the way back to 2005," Norman said. "But previous conventions -- the Republican one in 1988, the Democratic one in 1992, the Democratic one in 2000 -- have also shown shifts in party ID toward the party that had the convention, and those shifts seemed to last, to greater or lesser degrees, though the election. Further, I've been told by Gallup that their tracking poll has shown a similar shift in party ID since the Republican convention. ... I guarantee you we will be watching closely in all of our polls between now and election day to see whether there are further shifts in party ID in either direction."

And it's true. Gallup's own GOP identification (including leaners) has swung six points in the last month, from 42 percent of voters to 48, according to tables provided to the Huffington Post. Meanwhile, solid and leaning Democrats have fallen from 52 to 48 percent of those polled. For political scientists who believe that partisanship is largely stable over time -- and who take note of the advantage in voter registration being experienced by Democrats during the same period -- the newly GOP-heavy poll samples can raise eyebrows.

Emory University political scientist Alan Abramowitz is highly skeptical of the new Gallup, USA Today and CBS polls. About the latter, which showed a statistically insignificant two point lead for McCain, Abramowitz said: "One reason for the dramatic difference between the two recent CBS polls is that the two samples differed fairly dramatically in terms of partisan composition. The first sample was 35.2% Democratic, 26.2 percent Republicans, and 38.6 percent independent. The second sample was 34.9% Democratic, 31.1% Republican, and 34.0% independent. That's a change from a 9 point Democratic advantage to a 3.8 point Democratic advantage. That alone would probably explain about half of the difference in candidate preferences between the two [CBS] polls."

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If these polls are improperly reflecting the partisan makeup of the electorate at large, it certainly would go part of the way toward explaining anything beyond the quick "dead cat bounce" after the Republican convention. And if the convergence of polls around a small McCain lead has anything to do with sampling error, it would render any claims about a new equilibrium in the race somewhat moot.

One day before USA Today announced its new poll numbers, it also ran an Associated Press story with the headline "Democrats Post Big Gains In Voter Registration." In that article, the AP noted that, during the primary season, "more than 2 million Democrats [were added] to voter rolls in the 28 states that register voters according to party affiliation. The Republicans have lost nearly 344,000 thousand voters in the same states."

The article proceeded to lay out a variety of statistics that favor Democrats:

Nationwide, there are about 42 million registered Democrats and about 31 million Republicans, according to statistics compiled by The Associated Press.


The Democrats have posted big gains in many competitive states, including Nevada, New Hampshire, Iowa, Colorado and Florida. They have also been targeting historically Republican southern states.

Since 2006, the Democrats have added 167,000 voters in North Carolina, while the Republicans have added 36,000.

Still, that doesn't discount the fact that Republicans have definitely made some gains. As Greenberg notes, "Sarah Palin came out and gave a really good speech. She certainly exceeded the low expectations. And then more people watched McCain's speech than Obama. And now it appears there was a bigger bump for McCain than there was for Obama. ... But there always been more room to grow his vote." Greenberg says the prior lack of enthusiasm among Republicans could have resulted in an inflated rate of survey respondents identifying as independents. "The CBS panels show most of the movement came to McCain from undecided voters, people who were probably holding back from McCain," Greenberg said.

Despite that, Abramowitz simply doesn't think the overall spike in Republican sampling among all three polling firms is an accurate reflection of the electorate. "It's just not likely," he says. Given how important polls can be in the coverage of the race, even a slight assist to McCain during a period in which he is exciting the Republican base could help him solidify a new narrative in the race, regardless of the partisan facts on the ground.

This week's mainstream coverage of the presidential horse-race has been dominated by a series of polls showing the McCain-Palin ticket with its first stable lead over Obama and Biden. Gallup's trackin...
This week's mainstream coverage of the presidential horse-race has been dominated by a series of polls showing the McCain-Palin ticket with its first stable lead over Obama and Biden. Gallup's trackin...
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I agree with lizr, if Obama doesn't win this election (I never thought Dubya won either race) how will we EVER know our system works? We know it is atiquated and should be changed, but for now it's the only one we have.
I cannot see McSame winning anything other than "angry white guy" who was wheezing so bad I couldn't understand him. His utter contempt and out right racism was so obvious. How dare him say "That one" just what was he trying to say? He uses the "painted lady" to do his dirty work and she's just to caught up in the spotlight or either that dumb to know she's being used. Remember, we are in 2008 NOT 1958.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 10/08/2008
- BellGirl08 I'm a Fan of BellGirl08 5 fans permalink

campuschange, that's funny, the only one I see reading his 'hollywood script' is McCain. As a matter of fact, he cannot even talk to people without his 'talking points' and his 'script' Karl Rove writes for him. Why can't your candidates answer questions from the general public (you know, the one's they are supposedly working for!) or the media????????? Obama and Biden answer questions from anyone and everyone EVERYDAY for HOURS. Your candidates are frauds. They are just a 'product' being sold by Rove and the GOP. Pathetic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 09/23/2008
- BellGirl08 I'm a Fan of BellGirl08 5 fans permalink

These phony numbers and manipulated polls are put in place to justify the vote rigging that will occur in November.

These phony numbers coupled with all the media's outright lies are to give the public the perception that it is a close race when really it's about 70% to 30% in Obama's favor.

The lies: Obama has a 'problem' with white men voters, problem with white women voters, problem 'connecting' to voters. Palin will get the Hillary votes. PUMA are democrats (really, the founder Darragh C. Murphy is Republican and always has been) and now these Democrats are voting for McCain. Whatever.

There are too many lies in the media to even list but it's all a set up for the excuse for when Diebold (now Premiere) rigs the vote so they can say "oh race must have played a part", or "those women voters must have tipped the scale"...blah, blah, blah, lie. lie, lie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 09/23/2008
- sandrarita I'm a Fan of sandrarita 9 fans permalink

campuschange: you don't deserve this country.

And for those with more intelligence than a flea's behind, here is an indication of how the Repubilcans may have won some of the swing states in the past few elections:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/18/voting.problems/index.html?iref=topnews

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 09/18/2008

because the more informed republicans have always been registered to vote. we don't go around scraping the bottom of the barrel of society and getting them registered, sometimes twice like the dirty dems do. don't worry, when barack obama doesn't have his hollywood script written for him and his teleprompter isn't there during the debates, he will studder uh duh uh uh uh duh so many times, he will look like a marxist with special needs. he will make his speech in bristol va look like a minor speech impediment and it will be over. it's a given!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 AM on 09/18/2008
- ShanniC I'm a Fan of ShanniC 6 fans permalink
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I don't think that I can survive another four years of the last eight. McCain scares me, as does Palin. I really, REALLY hope that Americans wake up and realize that the Republicans do not deserve another term after they have proven themselves inept at governance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 09/15/2008

Lies! It does not compute. STOP IT. WE'RE NOT STUPID!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 09/14/2008
- elr50 I'm a Fan of elr50 20 fans permalink

Yes, we are stupid. At least 50% of the American public is stupid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 AM on 09/15/2008

I am SO SICK of "polls".

THEY'RE USELESS.

Just like the MSM tried to keep the Obama/Hillary thing going as long as possible for ratings, pollsters want to project things to be closer than they probably are so they keep getting name recognition and hits. Nobody will pay attention if the pollsters just keep saying "Obama up 12". There is some pretty convincing evidence out there that these "pollsters" are intentionally targeting certain states and other criterium in order to skew the results one way or another so it stays interesting.

STOP PROFESSING POLLS>

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 09/13/2008

Hey, the pollsters are just trying to account for all democratic votes the republicans are going to purge from the voter rolls so they can steal yet another election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 09/13/2008

Has anyone ever considered that the reason why the republicans are winning is because half, I mean over half of the country agrees with them?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 09/13/2008

Further proof that people are stupid?

"Gee Marge, I can't afford to fill my tank, I'm in line for getting laid off, we're getting foreclosed on, if we live in Hurricane alley we're not going to get any help....

But gosh darnit those GOP guys think marriage is man and woman, and they believe in God, so I'm with them!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 09/13/2008

Gosh darnit those Dems in Congress like Pelosi and Reed did not help you much, did they. Were was the awe mighty leader OBAMA. NOT PRESENT...................

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 09/14/2008
- emncaity I'm a Fan of emncaity 36 fans permalink

Where do you see an average of polls that has McCain over 50%?

Or, if you want to go with issues, you do realize that Democrats absolutely kill Republicans there across the board, other than the ridiculous false impression on national security (and some polls have them leading there, too)?

It's the ignorance and stupidity of the votership that has them voting Republican in one presidential election after another, despite agreeing with Dems on almost all issues. How else would you explain people repeatedly voting against their interests? Republicans are better marketers, because they're good at creating fictions like Palin, and marketing works on a public like the American electorate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 AM on 09/14/2008
- elr50 I'm a Fan of elr50 20 fans permalink

Like I said above, half of the American public is stupid. Including probably YOU, Colney.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 AM on 09/15/2008
- Elrancho I'm a Fan of Elrancho 2 fans permalink

Someone sent me this and I want to share -

How racism works
What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review? What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class? What if McCain were still married to the first woman he said "I do" to? What if Obama were the candidate who left his first wife after she no longer measured up to his standards?

What if Michelle Obama were a wife who not only became addicted to pain killers, but acquired them illegally through her charitable organization? What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard? What if Obama were a member of the "Keating 5"? What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker?

If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as they are?
This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when there is a color difference.

- KL, Fort Worth

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 09/13/2008

It's not only racism (I'd like to think it's not racism at all; my problem is that I think that just because I'm not racist, nobody else is either...), but mostly republican bias in the media. The same would be - I think - regardless of Obama's genetic makeup.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 09/16/2008

Obama is gaining on McCain on Gallup.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 09/13/2008

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 09/13/2008
- Nofoolhere I'm a Fan of Nofoolhere 12 fans permalink
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The poll numbers constantly suggesting a McCain edge have always been suspicious to me as a person knowledgeable in the strengths and limits of statistics. The rot in this entire election process can be traced to the evil presence of predatory corporations and the ruthless right wing infrastructure they support. One theory I accept and can defend holds that the reason they are doing this is even more ominous for the future of this nation than simple data distortion.

By creating regular poll results that show McCain in the lead, then on election day, the implementation of systematic and significant vote fraud to elect McCain-Palin will be less visible. Those who yearn for an America based on honor and integrity need to turn out themselves and anybody that can influence to vote for Obama on Election Day, AND WATCH THE POLLING PROCESS LIKE EAGLES.

Those offering polling results need to become subject to investigation by impartial and competent third parties who are themselves disconnected from and impervious to the influence of corporate power.

Nofoolhere, PhD

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 09/13/2008
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Wouldn't it be funny if on election night the polls show Obama 5 or 6 points behind but then he wins in a landslide?

What does that say about polling techniques and the accuracy of their metrics.
There are sooo many people that use cell phones rather than landlines or don't participate in the polls that there are potentially millions of voters unaccounted for.

The registration numbers don't lie. Polls are all well and good, but total number of lever pulls in the booth are what counts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 09/13/2008
- lizr I'm a Fan of lizr 253 fans permalink
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wouldnt it be funny if the Reps used the phoney polls as an excuse to ste al the election even in the face of an OB AMA landslide?

WATCH THE EXIT POLLS> the only ones that count.

Diebold and ES &S- Rep owned companies that build hackable voting machines.

google black box.

GOD I Hope O has a plan for this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 09/13/2008
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