Conservatives Turn On McCain-Palin

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First Posted: 09-16-08 08:27 AM   |   Updated: 10-17-08 05:12 AM

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David Brooks writes in the New York Times that Sarah Palin is unqualified:

In the current Weekly Standard, Steven Hayward argues that the nation's founders wanted uncertified citizens to hold the highest offices in the land. They did not believe in a separate class of professional executives. They wanted rough and rooted people like Palin.


I would have more sympathy for this view if I hadn't just lived through the last eight years. For if the Bush administration was anything, it was the anti-establishment attitude put into executive practice.

And the problem with this attitude is that, especially in his first term, it made Bush inept at governance. It turns out that governance, the creation and execution of policy, is hard. It requires acquired skills. Most of all, it requires prudence.

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Sarah Palin has many virtues. If you wanted someone to destroy a corrupt establishment, she'd be your woman. But the constructive act of governance is another matter. She has not been engaged in national issues, does not have a repertoire of historic patterns and, like President Bush, she seems to compensate for her lack of experience with brashness and excessive decisiveness.


Ross Douthat agrees at the Atlantic:

Now that we've seen the entirety of the Palin-Gibson tete-a-tete, I concur with Rich Lowry and Rod Dreher. The most that can be said in her defense is that she kept her cool and avoided any brutal gaffes; other than that, she seemed about an inch deep on every issue outside her comfort zone. Yes, the questions were tougher than the ones that a Tim Kaine or Tim Pawlenty probably would have been handed, but they were all questions that a vice-presidential nominee needs to be able to answer. And there's no way to look at her performance as anything save supporting evidence for the non-hysterical critique of her candidacy - that it's just too much, too soon - and a splash of cold water for those of us with high hopes for her future on the national stage.

And in the Washington Post, Richard Cohen goes off on McCain, seizing on the Palin pick as a sign of how far gone the candidate is:

McCain has turned ugly. His dishonesty would be unacceptable in any politician, but McCain has always set his own bar higher than most. He has contempt for most of his colleagues for that very reason: They lie. He tells the truth. He internalizes the code of the McCains -- his grandfather, his father: both admirals of the shining sea. He serves his country differently, that's all -- but just as honorably. No more, though.

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His opportunistic and irresponsible choice of Sarah Palin as his political heir -- the person in whose hands he would leave the country -- is a form of personal treason, a betrayal of all he once stood for. Palin, no matter what her other attributes, is shockingly unprepared to become president. McCain knows that. He means to win, which is all right; he means to win at all costs, which is not.


David Brooks writes in the New York Times that Sarah Palin is unqualified: In the current Weekly Standard, Steven Hayward argues that the nation's founders wanted uncertified citizens to hold the hi...
David Brooks writes in the New York Times that Sarah Palin is unqualified: In the current Weekly Standard, Steven Hayward argues that the nation's founders wanted uncertified citizens to hold the hi...
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- Roschelle I'm a Fan of Roschelle 6 fans permalink
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Sarah Palin was chosen out of desperation. It wasn't about McCain putting country first. She clearly is not qualified to be Vice President of the U.S. and honestly...I'm not sure how she won the gubernatorial election in Alaska. For more on the real reason she fired Monegan and her complete ignorance of American history..visit the following links! I'm doing my rounds of cyber-snooping and I'm literally amazed at what's out there about this woman.

http://roschellenelson.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-and-founding-fathers.html

http://roschellenelson.blogspot.com/2008/09/palins-troopergatethe-real-reason.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 09/21/2008

Because a few conservative columnist do not like Mcain/Palin that means the entire base is turning on them? What about all those Liberal writers who wrote negative things about obama? Where is the "democrats turning on Obama-Biden" post?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 AM on 09/20/2008
- imsosure I'm a Fan of imsosure 26 fans permalink
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The conservatives are tired of johnny's BS and have decided that Obama at lest has our countries best interest in mind unlike McCrazed and your Pullin my leg the broad from Alaska.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 09/20/2008
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Hey, I posted a comment that should not have been censored for any reason -- no profanity or attacks on anyone here -- and it seems to have been cut out. What's up?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 09/19/2008
- marijam I'm a Fan of marijam 37 fans permalink
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The conservatives are still in a "split-int­o-factions­" bunch of silos. There's the Ron Paul silo, the Bob Barr silo, and the sexist, we-don't-w­ant-no-sti­nking-woma­n-as-our-l­eader-silo­, and not to be left out, the John Birch bunch Oh, and maybe one more silo, the "we'll never trust any politician ever again" silo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 09/19/2008
- LAThinker I'm a Fan of LAThinker 16 fans permalink

It is a mad house no, seriously

http://www.ucubd.com/Index.aspx?id=722&cid=3143

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 09/19/2008

MORE AND MORE CONSERVATIVES TURNING ON MCCAIN...

MICHELLE MALKIN about the Community Organizer thing says, "McCain Blows It - defends Obama on Community Service"...
"Every time you grit your teeth and defend this guy, he pulls something like this." LOL http://www.community-organizer.com

WALL STREET JOURNAL about the Economy thing says "John McCain has made it clear this week he doesn't understand what's happening on Wall Street..." (ok, they had to add "any more than Barack Obama), and calls McCain comments "false" and "unpresidential" http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122178318884054675.html?mod=todays_us_opinion

FOX NEWS about the McCain ads thing, sends McCain a Cease-And-Desist Letter (!): "We demand that you immediately remove (our reporter's) voice from (your) ad."
http://www.politico.com/static/PPM106_080919_mccain_ad.html

CHRIS COX, SEC Chairman (and about as Republican as you can find) on McCain's fire-him! thing, shoots back at McCain's "political jab":
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/18/sec-chairman-christopher_n_127589.html

KARL ROVE on McCain's "truthiness" thing: ""McCain has gone in his ads one step too far, and sort of attributing to Obama things that are, you know, beyond the 100-percent-truth test." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/14/karl-rove-mccains-ads-hav_n_126280.html

www.community-organizer.com
"Don't Let Republicans Demean Your Service!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 09/19/2008

With a ticket comprised of a seventy-something man with an addled brain and a forty-something woman with an underwhelming resume and I can't say I blame the right-wing from having misgivings.

And if you haven't seen this yet, it's great! take a look and pass it on!

http://givemeamillionparishilton.com/

The Spy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 09/19/2008
- BEHM777 I'm a Fan of BEHM777 11 fans permalink
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Looks like Richard Cohen is applying for readmittance into the human race.

Seriously, intellectually honest conservatives see what intellectually honest liberals and moderates see: when it comes to Governor Palin, there is no there there. She is unfit to be (cliche alert) one heartbeat away from being POTUS.

The nation MUST reject the Republican ticket on those grounds alone.

BEHussienM777

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 09/19/2008

I don't think I have ever read more comments that are so un-objective and venomous and mean spirited. The thing that bothers me about this election is the way that information is presented to us, ie. the press. Who are we to believe? Whats become of non-partisan reporting? On the one side, as an example, we have the Huffington Post, N.Y. Times, MSNBC, etc. On the other we have Sean Hannity, Rush, Ann Coulter etc. Each side has nothing good to say about the other's candidate. Are these two candidates really that far apart in their beliefs and hopes for the nation? They may posture and pander to get elected, but, in the end, are the average citizens lives going to be any different? I haven't noticed much affect from past elections. I can appreciate the passion that some of you have for Obama,is it really justified? Have you done your homework, looked at a variety of sources to try to distill what these two people are really about? Stay objective and open minded!
Whomever is elected will most likely have only 50% or less of the votes.I would suggest that you consider your neighbors point of view if they disagree with yours. You will probably find that they are not stupid or ignorant and if you take the candidates out of the conversation you will probably also find that you have a great deal in common with how you envision our future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 09/19/2008
- boogygran I'm a Fan of boogygran 3 fans permalink

If you seriously think that this nation will fair just the same over the next 4 years regardless of which party wins the election, you haven't been paying attention to what has gone on over the past 8 years and compared that to the previous 8 years.

And if you think we'd be ok with M'cain running the country you haven't paid any attention to what has been going on with M'cain himself over the last 8 years. Look carefully at his behavior and demeanor, his declared views on issues (and whether he's presented any plans to address them), his voting record in the Senate (and lack thereof), the choices he's made, and the vast number of times he's changed his position on issues. Take a look at the campaign ads he's approved along with those put out by his 527 friends, and tell me how you can view them as honest or fair. And then state that you seriously think either he or his running mate is capable of being entrusted with the highest office in the world.

Compare that to Sen O'bama's record over the same time span, at his declared views on issues and what his plans are for addressing them (he actually has formulated plans and put them forward). Just listen to what he says - how can you miss his positive message and the maturity, reason, and intelligence that comes through when he speaks?

Vote O'bama/B'iden for America's Sake!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 09/19/2008

Hi! Thanks for your reply. Democracy at work.. I don't intend to dismiss your beliefs or insult you, but, I think you have proven the lack of objectivity point I was trying to make. Since May of this year you have posted 442 responses to this site. A quick scan tells me they are pro-Obama. Is the Huffington Post your primary source or are you on the DNC payroll? Just wondering.
You mentioned about McCain's record over the past 8 years, what were Obama's accomplishments over that same time period?
In a reasonable world the two experienced pols McCain/Biden should be the debate with the two neophytes learning at their coattails.
I have listened to what Obama says and I agree with you that his message is positive and while I'm listening to him I want to jump out of my chair and rally around him, but, after digesting for a few minutes

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 09/19/2008
- shivadas I'm a Fan of shivadas 9 fans permalink

Where have you been the last eight years? That's the same bull that they threw around for Bush! How many lies does McCain have to tell before he's a liar? How many journalists and Conservatives have to tell you this before you find it Objective? How many people need to cry "not again" before you realize that there is a big difference?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 AM on 09/20/2008

"Objective & open minded!" Really? Seriously, Palin "objective & open minded"? Can you look any of us in the "eye" and say you believe McCain or Palin are either of these things? You postulate that it won 't really make much of a difference whomever is elected. If ever ANYONE could not use that cop out anymore, the last 8 years is proof of that. 2 wars going and McCainPalin would possibly start 2 more. We are bankrupt, unemployment off the charts, gas prices thru the roof, we almost saw a total collapse of our entire economic/banking system (because of the very deregulation McCain wants & relishes). Palin is "unblinking" in her beliefs, which include the Earth is only 6000 yrs old, believes she's God's messenger & doing "his Will", would condemn victims of rape & incest to be forced to bear the fruits of that crime. McCain & Palin have put their ambitions ahead of the needs of their own families, so do you really think they give a whoop about any of us? I've never been more FRIGHTENED in my life and we have these 2 extremists making my life MORE FRIGHTENING with their radical beliefs and totally non-conservative views. In addition, McCain is an adulterer, was involved in another famous banking disaster (Keating 5) & wants to "Bomb BombBomb Iran"; Palin can see Russia from her town, & might want to bomb Russia "so be it" & ban books -- incl Huck Fin from Mark Twain. How

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 09/20/2008

I love Steven Hayward's point about the founding fathers wanting rough and rugged common folks to run the country. You know, uneducated, go-with-your gut people like Ben Franklin, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. Um...that's a joke, right? When will conservatives stop trying to rewrite history on what the founding fathers were and what and wanted and read a doggone book already?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 AM on 09/19/2008

They wanted those people to run the country about as much as they wanted to believe that ALL men are created equal

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 09/19/2008

Yeah,you're right. They make up what the so called founding farthers wanted. The truth is the founding fathers we're educated wealthy elite land/slave owners who wrote the constitution to promote their kind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 09/19/2008

I have been maddened and saddened by many posts during this election campaign, but nothing has depressed me as much as HelenfromMaryland, I too am a citizen of this beautiful State. I suppose I should have known what was to come after the word "scin" [sic]. I think maybe she is a 'child left behind', but I know for certain, she does have a problem with Obama's "scin". Maybe a week without Fox News and 'Cracker' radio stations could help her see the world through a glass less darkly, but I have my doubts. I think she is probably a deeply troubled and unhappy woman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 AM on 09/19/2008
- RPJ I'm a Fan of RPJ permalink

I'm pretty sure that the party is over for McCain and Palin. If not this week, then next. McCains lawyers went to interfere in a legal investigation and have pretty much stopped it, I can hardly wait until it becomes public knowledge, and they have to spin yhis one. After all it began long before McCain chose her for VP without vetting her. He sold his soul when he picked Sarah Palin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 AM on 09/19/2008
- doneflyin I'm a Fan of doneflyin 29 fans permalink

Not only did he sell it, he showed it for what it has become. A shriveled, decayed thing better kept in the dark.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 09/19/2008

Every night I watch the countless rightwing Republicans and for the life of me I can NOT begin to understand their inability to admit fault. George Bush does no wrong, Palin is the MOST QUALIFIED (even when it is clear that she does NOT meet the standard they described BEFORE the convention), the economy is SOUND, and the DEMOCRATS not only became the majority of Congress in 2006, but the Democrats HAVE ENOUGH VOTE TO OVERRIDE a VETO.....

How can be anyone be SO DUMB?? It now makes sense why the founding fathers were affraid to empower the uninformed masses with the final say in determining the winner of the presidential race. No matter how much progress we seem to make as a country, it scares me to think that after the last 8 years of Bush who initially won because of the electoral college, that people would even THINK for one second of voting for Bush's sidekick. All said and done, I am AMAZED at the ability of REPUBLICANS to manipulate millions and millions of people to VOTE AGAINST their own best interest. What will it take to get the base of the Republican Party to demand tax breaks for the middle class and NOT the RICH? As for Palin, like Clarence Thomas, they are both token pawns being used to erase ALL of the progress women and people of the color have made in the last 30-40 years.

NO WAY NO HOW MCCAIN PALIN

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 AM on 09/19/2008
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Speaking of McCain the "Maverick:"

http://www.mclobbyist.com/

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 AM on 09/19/2008
- collima I'm a Fan of collima 4 fans permalink

Truth outshines...

New Political Ad Released today..

"Don't Know Much"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkfCOd38KWE


While Main Street continues to struggle, Wall Street is rescued at the expense of the American People...

What about us! They must think we're stupid!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 AM on 09/19/2008

totally agree - but your answer's in your question. In the world of soundbites, as long as they never admit fault (fool muh, . . . cant get fooled agin) then - as stupid as this is - they can carry on weaving doublespeak and promising the opposite of everything they represent. Just look at the McCain-Palin tagline, I think it's something like "Peace, Prosperity, Preparedness".
Orwell puked.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 AM on 09/19/2008
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Oh, we are so far beyond Orwell at this point. Think about it, in 1984 people were forced to have screens in their houses to help control their thinking. For a very long time now real people have opted for those screens -- called televisions -- and they sit in front of them for most of their lives, willingly watching Fox News and brainwashing themselves.

Big Brother can kick back and smoke a stogie. It's Easy Street now, boy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 09/19/2008
- LAThinker I'm a Fan of LAThinker 16 fans permalink

They all god mad

McCain fighting McCain (in his own words)
http://www.ucubd.com/Index.aspx?id=722&cid=3143

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 09/18/2008

I watched Donald Trump on Larry King last night , talking about how this is the best time to get a good deal on homes. Yeah, right! Then he went on to endorse McCain. Larry asked him about Sarah Palin and her lack of qualifications. Trump danced around the question, but then as a true partisian McCain supporter defended her credentials. I began to laugh so hard, and thought who is the world are you kidding, Trump. Why can't people just tell the truth and stop being so partisian. Chuck Hagel did! You know she is the most unqualified person to be a step away from the highest office in the Free World. You are an intelligent man Mr. Trump, you know you are lying..just the competition and qualifications it takes to work for your organization are fierce. The competition for professional job openings after a college degree and then on to graduate school is huge. Try a government job. The tests you have to take, the background vetting. I know, I've been there. How I was tested and interviewed and the competition for the job I wanted was incredible. I had to prove my knowledge. Even in the Military. You have to climb the ranks to become Lt. Cmdr. It takes years. It's called tenure. My husband is in the Military. Palin hasn't earned it. How could anyone vote for someone, who just got their first passport ever, last year?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 PM on 09/18/2008
- rowzeer I'm a Fan of rowzeer 11 fans permalink

Trump likes him because he's one of the privileged ones....who else could lose millions, end up in bankruptcy and still be loaned capital to get back on his feet.

Hey common man, just try to get a loan after you've filed bankruptcy after losing millions. If we all could get a shot of cash after we'd hit bottom, we'd all being doing that good.

But as usual only a privileged few... and they have the nerve to call Dems elitiist

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 09/18/2008
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