Pakistan troops ordered to open fire on US raiders

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STEPHEN GRAHAM | September 16, 2008 06:34 PM EST | AP

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A Pakistan soldier mans a machine gun in the troubled area of Bajur in Pakistan's tribal area Tuesday, Sept 16, 2008. Pakistan's military has ordered its forces to open fire if U.S. troops launch another raid across the Afghan border, an army spokesman said Tuesday. (AP Photo/Anwarullah Khan)

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan's army said Tuesday that its forces have orders to open fire if U.S. troops launch another raid across the Afghan border, raising the stakes in a dispute over how to tackle militant havens in Pakistan's unruly border zone.

Adm. Mike Mullen, the U.S. chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, arrived in Pakistan late Tuesday amid the increased tensions. Mullen planned to meet with top civilian and military leaders to discuss a range of issues, including ways to improve coordination and cooperation along the Pakistan-Afghan border.

Pakistan's government has faced rising popular anger over a Sept. 3 ground attack by U.S. commandos into South Waziristan, a base for Taliban militants killing ever more U.S. troops in Afghanistan. Pakistan says about 15 people were killed, all of them civilians.

The new firing orders were disclosed by Pakistani army spokesman Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas in an interview Tuesday with The Associated Press.

Abbas said Pakistani field commanders have previously been tolerant about international forces crossing a short way into Pakistan because of the ill-defined and contested nature of the mountainous frontier.

"But after the (Sept. 3) incident, the orders are clear," Abbas said. "In case it happens again in this form, that there is a very significant detection, which is very definite, no ambiguity, across the border, on ground or in the air: open fire."

The statement was the strongest since Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, Pakistan's army chief, raised eyebrows last week by vowing to defend Pakistani territory "at all cost." Abbas would not say whether the orders were discussed in advance with U.S. officials.

Rep. Gary Ackerman, Democratic chair of the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on South Asia, and other lawmakers expressed concern about Abbas' comments at a hearing Tuesday to examine a Bush administration request to fund an upgrade of Pakistan's aging fleet of F-16 fighter planes.

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Responding to the concerns, Donald Camp, deputy assistant secretary of state for South Asian affairs, said: "I cannot envision a situation where we would find ourselves in a shooting situation with Pakistan."

"We are partners with Pakistan. We have been close friends for years," he said.

President Asif Ali Zardari, the newly elected successor to U.S. ally Pervez Musharraf, declined to comment on the order to use lethal force on American troops, telling reporters in London: "I don't think there will be any more" cross-border operations by the U.S.

U.S. military commanders complain Islamabad has been doing too little to prevent the Taliban and other militant groups from recruiting, training and resupplying in Pakistan's lawless tribal belt.

Pakistan acknowledges the presence of al-Qaida fugitives and its difficulties in preventing militants from seeping into Afghanistan. However, it insists it is doing what it can and paying a heavy price, pointing to its deployment of more then 100,000 troops in the increasingly restive northwest and a wave of suicide bombings across the country.

Mullen, who is on his fifth visit to Pakistan since assuming his post, intended to "discuss ongoing operations in the border region" with Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and army chief Kayani, said Mullen spokesman Lt. Col. Gary Tallman.

"He has been focused keenly on working more closely with the Pakistani military to improve coordination and effectiveness in operations against extremist safe havens in the border regions," Tallman said.

American officials have confirmed U.S. forces carried out the Sept. 3 raid near the town of Angoor Ada in South Waziristan but have given few details of what happened.

Abbas said that Pakistan's military had asked for an explanation but received only a half-page of "very vague" information that failed to identify the intended target.

He said the dead all appeared to be civilians, adding: "These were truck drivers, local traders and their families."

Abbas said Pakistani officials had to consider public opinion, which is skeptical of American goals in the region and harbors sympathy for militants fighting in the name of Islam.

"Please look at the public reaction to this kind of adventure or incursion," Abbas said. "The army is also an extension of the public, and you can only satisfy the public when you match your words with your actions."

However, some analysts forecast that the consequences of alienating the United States would stay the army's hand.

"If an American soldier were to die because of Pakistani military firing that would damage the Pakistani-American relationship for years to come," said Craig Cohen, an analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

The threat "might stir nationalist sentiment in Pakistan and play well politically, but it's just not realistic," he said.

Pakistan's military has won American praise for a six-week offensive against militants in the Bajur tribal region that Pakistani officials say has killed 700 suspected insurgents and about 40 troops. Troops backed by warplanes killed 15 more alleged militants Tuesday, officials said.

In the same timeframe, there has been a surge in missile strikes apparently carried out by unmanned U.S. drones. Such attacks killed at least two senior al-Qaida commanders earlier this year.

All of those strikes have been well to the south of Bajur, in areas where Pakistani authorities have sought peace deals in order to gain respite from militant attacks.

Abbas said that while they were tackling the "mega-sanctuary" in Bajur, they didn't have the forces to fight militants across the tribal belt all at one time. At least two other areas have been earmarked for military operations, he said.

Jalaluddin Haqqani, a formidable Taliban commander whose relatives were reportedly among the dead in one of the recent missile attacks, was definitely in Afghanistan, he added.

Abbas denied the new order had been put into practice before dawn on Monday, when U.S. helicopters reportedly landed near Angoor Ada only to fly away after troops fired warning shots.

Abbas insisted no foreign troops had crossed the border and that "trigger-happy tribesmen" fired the shots. Pakistani troops based nearby fired flares to see what was going on, he said.

The U.S. military in Afghanistan said none of its troops were involved.

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Associated Press writers Nahal Toosi in Islamabad, Habib Khan in Khar, David Stringer in London, and Lolita Baldor in Washington contributed to this report.

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan's army said Tuesday that its forces have orders to open fire if U.S. troops launch another raid across the Afghan border, raising the stakes in a dispute over how ...
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- ftprairiedog See Profile I'm a Fan of ftprairiedog permalink

What would the little deserter do if Cuba sent commandos to Miami Florida to take out the Terrorist Orlando Bosch and Luise Carriles and the other Terrorist cells that operate there? America do as I say not as I do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 AM on 09/17/2008
- grf67 See Profile I'm a Fan of grf67 permalink

Isn't that what we would do if a foreign nation attacked across our border?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 AM on 09/17/2008
- ttownrich See Profile I'm a Fan of ttownrich permalink

The Mexican military comes across the border all the time and we don't do anything about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 09/17/2008
- Boringat See Profile I'm a Fan of Boringat permalink

Someone earlier posted that Canadians are one of our 3 remaining allies. Can we please vote on that up here??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 09/17/2008
- researcher See Profile I'm a Fan of researcher permalink

bomb them too

bomb them all this is america the greatest country on earth

we have the greatest military the world has every known

they are either with us or against us

god bless america

truly god's country

signed
evangel neo con repub

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 09/17/2008
- jacqmac See Profile I'm a Fan of jacqmac permalink

This is what happens when you're President and try to look presidential four months before the end of your term in office. Bush seemed to have been 'honoring' (oh, there's THAT word again) promises or threats made while Musharref was still in power. I've heard it said at least eight times since 9/11,that Pakistan wasn't 'living up to its end of the deal' we made so we could operate in Afghanistan. Matter of fact, Musharref DID promise support for raids that operated on plausible intelligence. So W. stewed for five years and when Barack Obama started 'daring the Bush/McCain administration to DO something about Bin Laden-this sounded like perfect timing. HOWEVER, WE FORGOT TO ASK THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT OF PAKISTAN about this agreement. And 'operating on intelligence' went shooting our way across the mountains between Pakistan and Afghanistan. And NOW-we have a full scale diplomatic CRISIS on our hands with Pakistan. I mean, you would THINK that someone whose WIFE was BLOWN UP BY A TERRORIST, MIGHT possibly BE 'on our side', IF he'd had SOME KIND of ADVANCE WARNING OR BRIEFING about this MISSION! NOW-the Joint Chiefs and the Brits have to do the diplomatic work that a certain Secretary of State and her BOSS wouldn't do! And this is DAMAGE CONTROL! NOT real diplomacy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 09/17/2008
- ObamAtomic See Profile I'm a Fan of ObamAtomic permalink

With friends like that,who need enemies!,,Sausi Ara

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 PM on 09/16/2008
- shag11 See Profile I'm a Fan of shag11 permalink

The Bush Doctorine at work. What a disaster this clown has been. He had seven years to go after bin Laden, now come election time, he goes whole-hog, and shoots himself in the foot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 09/16/2008
- researcher See Profile I'm a Fan of researcher permalink

not just bush there are 45% of americans that will vote for mc war

this is a country of imperialists

even obama wants to enlarge the military

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 09/17/2008
- curocat See Profile I'm a Fan of curocat permalink

I believe Obama, said "rebuild the Military"... there is a difference...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 AM on 09/17/2008
- LorettaSingbiel See Profile I'm a Fan of LorettaSingbiel permalink

Bush administration request to fund an upgrade of Pakistan's aging fleet of F-16 fighter planes.

"We are partners with Pakistan. We have been close friends for years,"

Just how much of OUR money has gone to these "close friends for years", while they provided HOSPITALITY (instead of HOSTILITY) to our "Wanted Dead Or Alive" #1 911 terrorist and his recruitment/training camp SURGE?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 09/16/2008
- PTAPittbull See Profile I'm a Fan of PTAPittbull permalink

after 911 and b4 iraq we could have went into pakistan with all the international community and nobody would have said a thing now 8 years later and the mess of abu gurab guantamano and torture have erroded what lil sway 911 offered kiss all that global cooperation goodbye to failed leadership

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 09/16/2008
- research See Profile I'm a Fan of research permalink

Ain't it great that BushCo drove Bin Laden and al-Qaida out of poorly armed Afghanistan, into heavily nuclear armed Pakistan, which is now using the money and weapons BushCo gave them, to protect the terrorists. The Terrorists of 9/11 may take over Pakistan.

Heck of a job BushCo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 09/16/2008
- PaulZ See Profile I'm a Fan of PaulZ permalink

And the Dark Jimmy Carter is going to help?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 09/16/2008
- research See Profile I'm a Fan of research permalink

OOOOOOOOOHHHHHH JJJJIIIIIIMMMMMYYYY CCCCAAARRTTTEEERRRSSS ghost?

RayGun, Oliver North and You GOP liars treasonously undermined Carter from day one till the "October Surprise" .

Obama knows how to work washington on a whole higher level than Carter.

Obama will kick butt.

Better renew your passport.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 09/17/2008
- NURREDIN See Profile I'm a Fan of NURREDIN permalink

It's too late now. We should have invaded seven years ago and gotten Osama Ben Laden right after 9/11. Noone believed me when I posted here weeks ago that Bhutto and her husband(now Pakistan's leader) were Taliban supporters. Now we all know. People either forgot or don't know that the Taliban got their start in Pakistan,not Afghanistan. Musharraf wouldn't let them run for any offices and they took over Afghanistan after they defeated the Soviet Union. All the Pakistanis don't like us, and we should have gotten all of Al Qaeda while we had Musharraff on our side. You just can't keep pissing off people and expect them to be your friend. We should have given the Pakistanis real democracy instead of supporting Musharraff, and Ben Laden wouldn't have had anywhere to hide. We've burned all our bridges and have no real allies except England, Canada, and Australia. The Pakistanis graduate more nuclear engineers than we do.Now we have another anti-American administration with nukes. We're screwed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 09/16/2008
- hockeynut See Profile I'm a Fan of hockeynut permalink

I find it weird why all this crap is happening right before an election.all the instability around the world.this is all GWB and Cheneys work and the NeoCons trying install fear into people to Vote repuke its dusgusting!!

I'M MORE WORRIED WHAT THOSE NEOCAN TERRORIST WILL DO ONCE THERE NOT IN OFFICE ANYMORE THAT'S SCAREY

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 09/16/2008
- RebelPatriot See Profile I'm a Fan of RebelPatriot permalink

We have already seen what they are capable of.

they have set the legal parameters for martial law into place.

they have made it very clear to observant people what they intend.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 09/16/2008
- Zyzzygowski See Profile I'm a Fan of Zyzzygowski permalink

Pres Bush has said that you are either with us or against us. And, now Pakistan wants to fire on our troops? I suppose they are now against us.

Pakistan says it does not have the troops to effectively deal with the Taliban, yet they have enough troops to shoot at us? Let me hear it Scooby Do, ... HUH?

Pakistan says they will defend their trritorial integrity, yet they won't go after the Taliban. Scooby Do ... HUH?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 09/16/2008
- pakiman See Profile I'm a Fan of pakiman permalink

Pakistan doesn't say they don't have the troops to deal with the Taliban. Exactly the opposite. That is why they say they don't need US troops in Pakistan. And undoubtedly, it is a violation of their sovereignty. Also, they don't want to fire on US troops. They are not suicidal. But the country would enter a revolution if the leaders didn't at least act like they are defending Pakistan's integrity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 09/16/2008
- Proudbutnodem See Profile I'm a Fan of Proudbutnodem permalink

Another one of O's brite idea's

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 PM on 09/16/2008
- FatherWolf See Profile I'm a Fan of FatherWolf permalink

Who's president right now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 09/16/2008
- Bubba_Gump See Profile I'm a Fan of Bubba_Gump permalink

That's funny. This whole time, I thought George W. Bush was our president. Yet you credit for this decision to Obama. Doesn't the buck stop with Dubya? Or is responsibility getting outsourced along with good-paying American jobs?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 09/16/2008
- steamboat See Profile I'm a Fan of steamboat permalink

I'm happy you brought up Dubya is president.....Tell Obama because he said it was McCain who wouldn't follow Bin Laden to his cave. Darn, if Obama knows where the cave is, why hasn't he told our military?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 AM on 09/17/2008
- Steamboater See Profile I'm a Fan of Steamboater permalink

With 'friends' like Pakistan, who needs enemies? The war in Iraq is wrong and reckless but we should go after Al Queda in Pakistan whether Pakistan approves or not. the Pakistanis haven't been willing to go after them in full force and as long as Al Queda survives there, everyone's at risk. Remember when the Taliban blew up those centuries-old Bhuddist statues. They tolerate no one and they shouldn't be tolerated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 09/16/2008
- pakiman See Profile I'm a Fan of pakiman permalink

so after you're done killing all the Taliban and Al Qaeda, what do you think the rest of the people in the region are going to do? Enjoy the show? You can't defeat these people with force. There needs to be sensible policies that take into account the demands of the people who actually live there, and in return, seek the handover of foreign fighters that are inflaming the situation. Your policy would result in endless war, and perhaps major escalation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 09/16/2008
- Bubba_Gump See Profile I'm a Fan of Bubba_Gump permalink

I agree. Even though there is considerable risk at destabilizing the region, OBL and AQ plus the Taliban is certain death for anybody standing in their way. We need to remind Pakistan with gentle yet crystal clearness of the consequences of allowing the status quo to continue. We need a certain level of diplomacy here. Not to play politics but to build a stronger alliance, because "they enemy of my enemy is my friend." To help make sure more civilians don't get killed, we need Pakistan's help with intel; to make sure that Pakistan isn't the next domino in the AQ plan for regime change the hard way (i.e. Bhutto), they need American help. We need each other.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 09/16/2008
- CC1 See Profile I'm a Fan of CC1 permalink

Nobody either wants or needs the kind of help USA provides. Look how we've "helped" Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 09/17/2008
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