Ultra-Orthodox party emerging as Israel kingmaker

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AMY TEIBEL | September 18, 2008 03:12 PM EST | AP

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Israeli Foreign Minister and newly elected Kadima party chair Tzipi Livni gives a statement to the press outside her house in Tel Aviv, Thursday, Sept. 18, 2008. Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni declared victory Thursday in a surprisingly tight race to replace Prime Minister Ehud Olmert as head of Israel's governing party, and said she would immediately turn to the task of trying to cobble together a new government. (AP Photo/Alon Ron)

JERUSALEM — An ultra-Orthodox Jewish party run by an octogenarian rabbi who has said Hurricane Katrina was divine punishment emerged Thursday as the kingmaker in forming the next Israeli government.

Having won a fight to be leader of the ruling Kadima Party, Tzipi Livni now will likely need Shas as a partner to become prime minister. But Shas opposes any compromise on Jerusalem, and including it in a coalition could tie her hands in peace talks with the Palestinians.

Livni's narrow victory in a party primary Wednesday to replace corruption-tainted Prime Minister Ehud Olmert as Kadima's chairman means she can become prime minister if she can put together a coalition government of her own.

Livni, now the foreign minister, has said she would like to keep the current four-party coalition intact.

Two of Kadima's partners, Labor and the Pensioners, aren't expected to balk. But Shas and its spiritual leader, Rabbi Ovadiah Yosef, are wild cards. The party holds 12 of parliament's 120 seats, enough to make or break the current majority bloc of 67 lawmakers.

Livni had barely declared victory Thursday morning when Shas laid down its demands.

"If it's clear Jerusalem is on the negotiating table and social-economic needs are not taken into consideration, then we won't be part of the coalition," Shas spokesman Roi Lachmanovitch said.

Shas Cabinet minister Ariel Attias said the party wants more funding from the cash-strapped government for the welfare projects that are popular with its low-income constituents.

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Formal coalition negotiations won't begin until Olmert officially resigns and President Shimon Peres assigns Livni the task of forming a new government, which could happen next week.

But Livni said she would begin informal coalition negotiations immediately. In one of her first acts as Kadima leader, she scheduled a meeting with Shas leaders late Thursday. Shas leader Eli Yishai said they discussed setting up a coalition.

If Livni can't keep the coalition intact, elections would likely be called for early next year _ some 18 months ahead of schedule. In either case, Olmert will remain as a caretaker leader until a new Cabinet is approved.

With opposition leader Benjamin Netanyahu and his hard-line Likud Party polling well, Livni is under heavy pressure to keep the 67-seat coalition intact and avoid elections.

Netanyahu made his preference clear. "The cleanest and most democratic thing to do is to hold a general election," he told reporters Thursday.

Shaul Mofaz, the ex-defense minister and military chief who lost to Livni in the Kadima primary, called a news conference to announce plans to leave politics.

"I am not asking for role or a position in the Cabinet or the parliament," he said. He did not say whether he planned to resign now or just not to seek another term in parliament.

Negotiations could drag on for weeks.

Kadima lawmaker Amira Dotan said she expected Shas to make excessive demands. "This is the way we educated them for a long, long time," she said, referring to concessions made to Shas to entice the party into governing coalitions.

Dotan said Kadima is ready to compromise but has other options.

"Kadima is a centrist party," she said, so a number of parties "can very easily make a coalition with Kadima." She mentioned the small dovish Meretz party and smaller religious parties, which together have one less seat than Shas.

Israeli politicians traditionally have been willing to meet Shas' spending demands.

But declaring a moratorium on Jerusalem negotiations would be tough for Livni. As Israel's lead peace negotiator, she is committed to discussing all issues with the Palestinians. The future of Jerusalem, claimed by Israel and the Palestinians, is at the heart of the conflict.

Menachem Friedman, an expert on Jewish religious society in Israel, said Shas ultimately wants to stay in the government. He said Shas realizes any agreement with the Palestinians is a long way off.

"Jerusalem is a matter of wording," Friedman said. He thinks Shas will be more intransigent about its budget demands because the ultra-Orthodox Jewish sector, where most men shun work for religious study, is in desperate need of resources.

With Yosef at the helm, Shas burst onto Israel's political scene in the 1990s, appealing to the resentment of Sephardim _ Israelis of Middle Eastern and North African descent _ who were long snubbed by Israel's European-born ruling elite.

Yosef, a former chief rabbi of Israel who was born in Iraq, enjoys a papal-like authority among his followers, who revere him for his religious scholarship and his devotion to empowering the disenfranchised Sephardim.

But in wider Israeli society, Yosef _ known as much for his sunglasses, turban and gold-embroidered robes as his sometimes outrageous pronouncements _ is highly controversial.

He once enjoyed a reputation as a dovish religious figure, arguing that the saving of Israeli lives pre-empted settling occupied lands and that serious efforts should be made to reach a peace accord with the Arabs. But he did not support the 1990s peace agreements with the Palestinians and denounced Israel's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip in 2005.

In one speech, Yosef said the Old City of Jerusalem, home to shrines sacred to Judaism, Islam and Christianity, was "swarming" with Arabs "like ants."

"They should go to hell _ and the Messiah shall speed them on their way," he said.

On another occasion, Yosef castigated then-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's Gaza pullout, then implored: "May God strike him down."

Yosef also stirred controversy by describing the Holocaust as God's retribution against the reincarnated souls of Jewish sinners. He said Katrina was punishment for godlessness in New Orleans and U.S. support for the Gaza pullout. And he once said that "walking between two women is like walking between two donkeys or between two camels."

Livni could theoretically lead a minority government with the tacit backing of far-left and Arab parties outside a ruling coalition. But such an arrangement would make it difficult for her to claim a mandate for sweeping agreements with the Palestinians or with Syria.

JERUSALEM — An ultra-Orthodox Jewish party run by an octogenarian rabbi who has said Hurricane Katrina was divine punishment emerged Thursday as the kingmaker in forming the next Israeli governm...
JERUSALEM — An ultra-Orthodox Jewish party run by an octogenarian rabbi who has said Hurricane Katrina was divine punishment emerged Thursday as the kingmaker in forming the next Israeli governm...
 
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Let's make them a state and get it over with. We already have Utah as a religious state, why not a second one.
Let's get them to start paying taxes instead of taking aid / welfare from us.
It's been 60 years; enough is enough.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 09/18/2008

Wow...6 mllion Jews living in Utah! Great idea...that state would vote Blue-DEM-great idea! What about the Muslims over there.....doTHEY get Montana???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 09/18/2008

Why not, the world is a Ghetto.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 09/19/2008

Even better lets move Palestinians to Jordan. Whats the difference, they can keep collecting U.N. and Arab hands outs there. Might as well get it somewhere else and let democratic Israel expand. The world will benefit greatly from this. Perhaps one million of hard working Israeli Arabs can take over. Greatly benefited by Israeli social benefits and education they can actually build something in West Bank worthy for the world to see.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 AM on 09/21/2008

The Israelis, once again watching for their cues in the U.S. political landscape.

Ah yes, let's pick a woman. She'll draw the votes.
Fortunately, the Israelis had a much more compacted race and their token got in. Perhaps, she even has some experience besides being able to see Gaza from her house.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 09/18/2008

One thing that we KNOW for sure. Whomever is elected by the Israelis will come with hat in hand to the United States for more money - In exchange we will get bad advice about how to operate in the Middle East. What a great deal for the United States.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 09/18/2008

Yeah, anything but peace, eh, Likud?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 09/18/2008

Israel should negotiate with terrorists (Fatah and Hamas) the DAY AFTER America begins to negotiate with Al-Qaeda...our brand of terrorists! Fair enough,Sparky???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 09/18/2008
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Both states are very far off the mark, but it's no surprise that a zionist like yourself would never give such a thought a moment's consideration; you guys and the NeoCons are all about WAR and CONQUEST.

So, you undoubtedly can see a worthwhile future that is filled with perpetual war and terrorism--at least I hope that's the case, otherwise your postion would be quite irrational--as you will have such for just as long as you refuse to acknowledge the issues that inspire terrorists to want to kill you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 AM on 09/19/2008

I do find it amazing at how Israeli news is completely ignored in this country
But the stories that do manage to get through all criticize the left of the israeli gov't

What's so sad is that uninformed people will read smear stories like this one and think that she is the right wing candidate and that Netanyahu is the moderate, which is very far from reality.

That being said I did not her stance on instigating the civil war in Palestine after their elections diodn't go the way Israel wanted them to. Still a huge improvement over Netanyahu though

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 09/18/2008

you 'find it amazing that israeli news is completely ignored in this country'? why, because it's israel, so we should all pay attention? no one pays attention to the BBC, either. or the xinhuang news service in china. or moscow times. so why should israel be any different? who cares? if you're going to ignore the world, as we do right now, ignore it all. don't pick and choose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 09/20/2008

Ari Shavit of Haaretz was quoted in the Chicago Tribune today:

"The years of Olmert's government were years of corruption, the destruction of norms and an assault on the rule of law. Yet above all, they were wasted years. Garbage time, in basketball lingo. Squandered time, when time was so precious. When so many clocks were ticking all around. Garbage time, while the horizon grew ever blacker with storm clouds."

How familiar it sounds.

I hope Israelis turn out to be more intelligent and to care more about democracy and civil society than we Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 09/18/2008

Agreed. Olmert is Israeli Bush and Carter put together.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 09/18/2008

And Livni is Israel's Condi Rice!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 09/18/2008
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Perhaps Israel will for once have a leader that looks to negotiate prior to waging war. I always see the hawks come out on an article like this one, as so many US supporters of Israel [Jewish or not] seem to be intent on bombing Iran and keeping the palestinian issue an unresolved open wound.

The one thing I would ask of such individuals before condemning aTzipi Livni-run government as weak because she wants to apply diplomacy before dropping bombs, is to stop and consider that terrorists--despite all that you've been told--are people; you know, other human beings. And in general, human beings do not adopt a mission of terrorizing other human beings JUST FOR THE HELL OF IT.

With very few exceptions, one man's terrorist is some else's freedom fighter. Both the US and Israel have gone far over the top and completely in the WRONG DIRECTION in dealing with terrorists.

You don't think so? Well, I would refer you th the British; you can be sure that to this day there are englishmen who consider the Irish Catholics to be nothing more than animals. But that very skewed perspective doesn't change the fact that nothing other than sitting down with them and negotiating with them had any real effect on the level of violence the IRA was willing to pursue on behalf of their CAUSE.

Evil terrorists who kill for the joy of it because they hate their victim's freedoms...that's just propaganda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 09/18/2008

And unilaterally getting out of Gaza brought ...peace??? I think the illegal occupation SHOULD END....the illegal occupation by Arabs of Israeli-won lands in wars fought against Arabs attempting to wipe out the Jewish State!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 09/18/2008

way to meet em halfway. your logic will keep you in perpetual war. or is that what you want?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 09/20/2008

Well at least she met a world leader b4 unlike palin
we have a real chance of peace with obama and livini

the hard right jews would never do real negotiations for peace
they will try to smear her every day and say she is weak
and that they are in danger

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 09/18/2008

hmmm. The left wing, once so strong in Israeli politics, no longer exists due to generally recognized Arafats' betrayal of peace.... Too bad. Livni is a tough negotiator and will not give throw away the baby with the bath water... we hope.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 09/18/2008

Israel needs to get out of the Mid East. They can buy the Baja from Mexico and turn it into a paradise. Everyone's happy. Mexico gets a ton of money, the jews get peace and room to grow, the muslims can then escalate cutting their own throats. Give Old Israel to the Palestinians then see how fast the Arab love for them lasts. I'd give it about 5 minutes.
Yup! New Israel in northern Mexico, that could work, don't you think?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 09/19/2008

An aristocratic, Askenazi Jew is not going to put a government together in Israel now.!! Netanyahu will stomp her in the general elections!! She's too close to Condi and BU$SCO, who want Israel to deal with terrorists!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 09/18/2008

?

I'm failing to understand you here
You think Bush, Condi, and Netanyahu are pushing for negotiations?
And that her position is not to negotiate?

You need to do some reading

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 09/18/2008

I have a degree in Israeli history from Tel Aviv University-I read more about these problems in a week than you have in your LIFE!!! YES ,,Bush and Condi ARE pushing Israel to negotiate with these terrorisrs...what are you reading...Spider-Man comics.??????? Netanyahu will never negotiate with the Arabs until they end their terrorism against Israel,recognize its existence, and lay down their weapons..the first step of the Road map that.....BUSH and CONDI support!!!! YOU need to do some reading,Sparky!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 09/18/2008

America. This is someone who has foregn policy experience. Livni vs Palin. Not even close in qualifications.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 09/18/2008

"I understand that Russian Jews may have a difficulty to withstand the charm of this woman [and leave for Isarel]. But we're not letting them go so easily. We also need intelligent people. And beautiful, like Madam Livni..."
President Putin in a Kremlin press conference 2007.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 09/18/2008

Somewhat related: Russian and Israeli citizens no longer needs visas to visit each other's countries!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 09/18/2008

Netanyahoo and Barque are just part of the *J e wi sh* good-ole boy network, and they want to keep it that way. They don't want to have to explain anything to an outsider, much less a female outsider.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 09/18/2008

REALLY? Is that why Livni actually won the Kadima vote.... becuase the good ole boy network does not want her. Don't bring your Ameirican-bred perspective to other nations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 09/18/2008

Israel is a one-party government, i'm surprised anyone calls it a 'democracy'. that being said, Livni has a reputation of being a peace advocate (by Israel's standards), and compared to that crazy transportation guy she's a godsend. so kudos to Israelis for electing her, let's hope she lives up to the hype..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 AM on 09/18/2008

Mazal Tov Tzipi Livne. I was rooting for you, and will be in the near future. Israel kadima.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 AM on 09/18/2008
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