Bizarre McCain Remarks Appear To Reject Spain As Ally

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First Posted: 09-18-08 02:12 AM   |   Updated: 10-18-08 05:12 AM

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UPDATE: McCain Meant To Reject Spain Meeting, Adviser Says

Late Wednesday night, news made its way from the other side of the Atlantic that John McCain, in an interview with a Spanish outlet, had made a series of bizarre responses to a question regarding that country's prime minister.

"Would you be willing to meet with the head of our government, Mr. Zapatero?" the questioner asked, in an exchange now being reported by several Spanish outlets.

McCain proceeded to launch into what appeared to be a boilerplate declaration about Mexico and Latin America -- but not Spain -- pressing the need to stand up to world leaders who want to harm America.

"I will meet with those leaders who are our friends and who want to work with us cooperatively," according to one translation. The reporter repeated the question two more times, apparently trying to clarify, but McCain referred again to Latin America.

Finally, the questioner said, "Okay, but I'm talking about Europe - the president of Spain, would you meet with him?" The Senator offered only a slight variance to his initial comment. "I will reunite with any leader that has the same principles and philosophy that we do: human rights, democracy, and liberty. And I will confront those that don't [have them]."

The implication seemed fairly clear: McCain was refusing to commit to meet with Zapatero, the "socialist" party leader, whose country is a member of NATO and intricately involved in many of America's global financial and national security objectives.

Already, several explanations are being offered to explain McCain's statements. As Josh Marshall at Talking Points Memo opined: "The great majority [of those who have weighed in] appear to think the McCain was simply confused and didn't know who Zapatero was -- something you might bone up on if you were about to do an interview with the Spanish press. The assumption seems to be that since he'd already been asked about Castro and Chavez that McCain assumed Zapatero must be some other Latin American bad guy. A small minority though think that McCain is simply committed to an anti-Spanish foreign policy since he's still angry about Spain pulling it's troops out of Iraq."

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If, in fact, that latter group is correct and McCain was just putting voice to an adversarial stance, it could be as quizzical as if he didn't know Zapatero's name in the first place. Indeed, such a take on U.S.-Spain relations puts McCain in a far more hard-lined position than even the Bush administration, which has warmed to the Spanish leader after a rocky initial period. Indeed, the State Department's website touts the Zapatero government, which came to power in April 2004, for supporting "coalition efforts in Afghanistan" as well as "reconstruction efforts in Haiti" and counterterrorism tasks across the globe.

That Zapatero immediately withdrew Spanish forces from Iraq upon entering office, it seems, is being chalked up for what it is: an electoral promise the prime minister made good on. Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice touched on this during press briefing in June 2007.

"The United States and Spain are allies," she said. "We're in NATO together; we are serving together in Afghanistan. A lot of our conversation today was about that, working together on any number of issues. We've had our differences... [but] I feel that the relationship is warm. We had a good discussion today... We're allies. But when we have differences, we will express them. I think there's no secret that out of the Iraq war, we had a particular difference in the timing of the withdrawal. But that's behind us now, and we need to look forward and look to areas on which we can cooperate and work together."

Only days earlier, Daniel Fried, assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs, made much the same case in an interview with El Pais.

"I think that we got off to a bad start with President Zapatero's government," he declared. "There were various issues that got in the way. But the fact is, and the reason for this trip, is that the United States and Spain need to work together on a common agenda. Spain is one of the most successful European states of the last generation in terms of where Spain was in 1965 and where Spain is today. You weren't in 1965 the ninth or tenth largest economy in the world. You weren't a country that was fabulously productive, affluent and a leader in Europe. In 1965 you were some place else. Look at Spain now."

The truth is, even McCain has been willing to extend an olive branch to the Zapatero government in the past. John Aravosis of AmericaBlog - a fluent Spanish speaker - noted that McCain gave an interview to El Pais back in April in which he said that the differences between the U.S. and Spain should be swept under the rug.

And thus, the Senator finds himself in what appears to be an embarrassing if not potentially damaging proposition: either admit to confusing the name of the Spanish prime minister, a tough pill to swallow even with the built in perception that he is the candidate with foreign policy know-how, or explain away a position on U.S.-Spain relations that appears far outside the mainstream.

UPDATE: McCain Meant To Reject Spain Meeting, Adviser Says Late Wednesday night, news made its way from the other side of the Atlantic that John McCain, in an interview with a Spanish outlet, had mad...
UPDATE: McCain Meant To Reject Spain Meeting, Adviser Says Late Wednesday night, news made its way from the other side of the Atlantic that John McCain, in an interview with a Spanish outlet, had mad...
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I'll bet he's confusing Zapatero with Emiliano Zapata, a Mexican revolutionary from McCain's younger days.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 10/14/2008
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On a more serious note: Zapatero and Zapatista... You gotta admit they sound kinda similar-ish.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 10/14/2008
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The McRain in McSpain stays McMainly in the McPlain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 AM on 09/22/2008
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McCain doesn't know who President Zapatero is. And Sarah Palin doesn't know where Spain is. Thank goodness she could see Russia from her window, otherwise she wouldn't know where Russia is either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 09/22/2008
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I said it once and I'll say it again, McCain está a little loco...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 09/21/2008

I have not laughed so hard in a long time. Not only at McCain's comments, but also at what some conservatives have in his defense, including that he was confused by the interviewer's accent, which he seemed to understand quite well in all the previous questions.
Even if one assumes that he failed to understand the question when first asked, it is hard to imagine how he could not understand when the reporter told him that she was talking about Spain in Europe.

I don't think comedians could come up with something as funny.

For a longer segment of the interview, see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvMihJTJ2sg

http://banana-politicos.blogspot.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 09/21/2008

No news here. If you ask college grads where Spain is, they cannot tell you where, much less who the leader is. Most people still associate Mexicans as Spainards. McCain is just a product of our educational system. Sad but true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 09/21/2008

How many times are we going to have to hear, "McSame meant to say..." ? Enough of the incompetence. Bush gave Americans a FULL DOSE of it to last generations! Throw out these Republicans who beat down the American Dream and ignore the Constitution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 PM on 09/21/2008

First Russia and now Spain? Will there be anyone left in America, or will we all be overseas fighting unnecessary foreign wars?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 09/21/2008

As to human rights, democracy, and liberty. McCain meant that he will confront those Americans who would try to possess those qualities, by denying minimum wage increases, taxes increases for 95% of Americans, abolishment of bank regulation, 5% of Americans pay no taxes, tax incentives for businesses that out source, and trillions for big oil and pharma. McCain should boast " I could out do Bush as to matters of Stripping human rights, democracy, and liberty from 95% of Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 AM on 09/21/2008
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IN- PERSON, IN YOUR STATE, AND GET OUT AND VOTE!!!



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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 09/21/2008

Forget the 3 a.m. phone call... I'm not sure McCain is ready to answer the 3 p.m. phone call.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 AM on 09/21/2008

Thanks for the laugh! ...but this is too true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 PM on 09/21/2008

He's losing it more and more every day

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 09/20/2008
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John McCain remembers the Alamo. He really remembers. The Alamo...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 09/20/2008
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Time Magazine ran an article about McCain's comments regarding Zapatero. Time seemed to think that McCain was promising a new, more confrontational stance towards Spain. Just when we thought that the world could hardly hate us any more than they now do, McCain has plans to alienate us further from the rest of the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 PM on 09/20/2008

When America leads the world will follow. Your limp-wristed approach is not what the world needs or wants.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 AM on 09/21/2008

Bloggers besides HuffPo, Rachel Maddow and Steve Olbermann, no one, I mean NO ONE is running this story. Please blog on ever single MSM site today... this is outrageous. Here is a copy of the Blog I posted:

John McCain on a phone interview with El Cid News, insulted the president of Spain, Jose Luis Zapatero, by saying that he would refuse to meet with him in the White House. He said he was reserving judgment on such a meeting as he would ascertain whether Spain was an ally of America or meant to do us harm. Now it is clear in listening to the interview, McCain was confused, but pressed on rather than correct his mistake.

But to make matters worse, McCain campaign adviser, Randy Scheunemann insisted that McCain was NOT confused and that he meant what he said during the interview.

Rachel Maddow AND Keith Olbermann had this on their shows last night, they included the full sound bites and everything. While that was AWESOME, it would be nice to know that this actually made the evening broadcasts of ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and FOX news. When is the MSM going to start doing their FREAKING jobs????!!!!

John McCain has just gravely insulted one of our oldest and most trusted allies; there is huge outcry and furor all over Europe and in South America, and what? This ISN'T news here? WHY???????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 09/19/2008
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Keep in mind that this seems like a simple inability to hear the word "Europe" in the interviewer's accent. He seems to have thought she said "What about you?" when she really said "What about Europe?" based on his reply "What about me, what?"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/26781918#26781918

As I see it, the story is that John is too impatient to seek clarification until he understands a sensible question -- because he is too elitist to assume that he is, in fact, being asked a sensible question. Instead of assuming the nonsense he heard is the fault of his geriatric ears, he assumed he was being asked a silly question. The result is that he gave a stupid answer to a sensible question, which he assumed his interviewer was too stupid to ask him. What a jerk!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 09/19/2008
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"Bloggers besides HuffPo, Rachel Maddow and Steve Olbermann, no one, I mean NO ONE is running this story. Please blog on every single MSM site today... this is outrageous."

I agree, cautiously:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/26781918#26781918

It appears that McCain misunderstood the word "Europe" in the question "What about Europe?"

He replied "What about me, what?" [impatiently] implying that he thought he was being asked "What about you?"

This sounds to me like McCain is assuming he is being asked a stupid question, when he should have assumed that at his age, over the phone [I'm guessing there], a Spanish accent will take some effort to understand. When I talk on the phone, I ask all the time to "repeat what you said after the word [garbled]," etc. He seems too impatient to communicate effectively, which is not what I'd call "Presidential," but it's a tougher story to write about than the stories I've seen so far, that McCain is simply belligerent to Spain.

I suggest blogging this in combination with McCain's ignorance of what the "fundamentals" of the economy mean to economic experts, because by itself this story is pretty weird AND can be written off as understandable language difficulty.

Heh, I'd love to see a spoof on a certain lollipop advertisement, asking "How many takes does John McCain need, to get to the center of a simple question?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 09/19/2008

What's next? A "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Spain" song?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 09/19/2008
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