Economists see financial bailout as necessary

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MARTIN CRUTSINGER | September 20, 2008 05:25 PM EST | AP

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Construction is being done on a sidewalk in front of the New York Stock Exchange Wednesday, Sept. 17, 2008 in New York. Wall Street stumbled again Wednesday, with anxieties about the financial system still running high even after the government bailed out the insurer American International Group Inc. (AP Photo/Mark Lennihan)

WASHINGTON — The economy could suffer a massive hangover from the government's efforts to rescue the financial system in the form of a soaring debt burden. But the alternatives look infinitely worse.

The $700 billion the administration is seeking from Congress as the upper bounds of what it will need to take a mountain of bad loans off the books of financial firms is certainly an eye-popping figure.

To get the funds to buy up the bad mortgage loans that have threatened to bring the financial system to its knees, the government will have to borrow. And that borrowing will come at a time when the federal budget deficit is already soaring.

The deficit for this budget year, which ends on Sept. 30, is expected to rise to $407 billion, a figure that is more than double the $161.5 billion imbalance for 2007, reflecting what the economic slowdown and this year's $168 billion economic stimulus program are already doing to the government's books.

The Bush administration is estimating that the deficit for the budget year that begins Oct. 1, which will cover the new president's first year in office, will hit $482 billion, a record in dollar terms.

And that forecast doesn't include the $200 billion the administration committed to spending two weeks ago when it took over the nation's two biggest mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

And it doesn't have any of the $700 billion the administration is seeking to soak up the bad mortgage-backed securities that have been at the heart of the severe credit crisis the country has been struggling with since August 2007.

The legislation Congress passed this summer that gave the authority to rescue Fannie and Freddie boosted the limit on the national debt by $800 billion to $10.6 trillion.

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The legislation the administration is now seeking to authorize the financial system bailout, according to a draft obtained by The Associated Press, would boost that debt limit to $11.3 trillion, up another $700 billion.

It is the rapidly rising debt that is cause for concern. The government is already spending more than $400 billion a year just to pay interest on the national debt. The higher that debt goes, the higher the government's borrowing costs and the less it has to spend on other programs.

Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama are both running for president, making campaign promises about what new programs they will implement once in office, promises that could be severely constrained by the costs of a financial bailout.

The escalating borrowing also means that the government is competing with the private sector for loans, driving up interest rates. And then there is the matter of the country's large trade imbalances which mean the United States has to borrow $2 billion a day from foreigners.

Will foreigners still want to lend as much to the United States if there are concerns that all the borrowing could weaken the dollar's value against other currencies.

But even with all these threats, economists said the government has to take decisive action because the alternative of letting the financial system slide into even deeper problems which could jeopardize the routine loans that businesses and consumers need was simply not an option.

"It was critical to arrest the downward slide in financial markets," said Sung Won Sohn, an economist at California State University, Channel Islands.

The dire situation was dramatically demonstrated this past week when the Federal Reserve, working with the central banks of other nations, poured billions of dollars into the financial system without any significant impact because of the fear keeping banks from lending.

The financial system has already been staggered with $500 billion in losses from the mortgage mess and the International Monetary Fund has estimated the ultimate price could be $1 trillion.

What the administration's plan would do is at least establish a price for the mortgage-backed securities, which at the moment no one wants to own.

Officials who have briefed Congress on Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson's plan have suggested that one approach would be for the government to buy the toxic debt through a reverse auction process in which companies wanting to unload their mortgage-backed securities would propose a price to the government _ say 50 cents on the dollar _ and those offering the lowest price would win the bid.

By establishing a price for assets no one currently wants to buy, it could allow a market to develop and allow financial firms to get on with the effort of taking their losses and getting the damaged assets off their books.

"This could go a long way toward solving these problems," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com, who has written a book on the mortgage meltdown.

And the final cost to the government?

No one knows for sure, but Zandi said if the experience with cleaning up all the assets left over from the savings and loan mess is any guide, it should be less than the $700 billion that the administration is seeking.

In the S&L crisis, the government was able to recoup about two-thirds of its initial costs when it sold the assets it had obtained from the failed S&Ls.

"Obviously there is a big upfront cost to taxpayers," Zandi said, "but the ultimate cost may be measurably lower."

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WASHINGTON — The economy could suffer a massive hangover from the government's efforts to rescue the financial system in the form of a soaring debt burden. But the alternatives look infinitely w...
WASHINGTON — The economy could suffer a massive hangover from the government's efforts to rescue the financial system in the form of a soaring debt burden. But the alternatives look infinitely w...
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- Maschine I'm a Fan of Maschine 4 fans permalink

I'D REALLLY REALLY REALLY LIKE TO SEE OBAMA GET A FEW OF THESE COMMENTS THROWN AT HIM>

WE KNOW MCCain is a shill.........WE NEED to know where Obama stands.

If he defends this bailout, then you know he's bought it hook line and sinker and he knows more then you.

If he says....Now wait a minute....perhaps there is a chance for the US.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 AM on 09/23/2008
- Maschine I'm a Fan of Maschine 4 fans permalink

ECONOMISTS....HA, these jokers have been asleep at the wheel since Greenspan began worrying about inflation due to a shortage of manpower.

Hey dolts, you are too late to the party, your opinion isn't required.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 09/23/2008
- Findley I'm a Fan of Findley 12 fans permalink

CALL...Sen. Reid and Rep. Pelosi's office in DC : message -- NO BLANK CHECK for Paulson and this adminstration. NO trust in these people under any, dire or not, circumstances.

CALL them NOW-- show your support! Don't just sit there. Reid: 202.224.3542 Pelosi: 202.225.4965 Schumer:20­2.224.6542 The assistant I spoke to you says they pay attention to phone calls.
Stop just ranting and ponticatin­g...ACT...­at least make a $#%# phone call!

They must HEAR from us, know we want Oversight & transparency, mortgage help for homeowners, no golden parachute/executive pay, need stimulus package for average citizens
Spread this to all Dems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 09/22/2008

Since when has any economist been known to predict anything accurately. They're as full of hot air as your local weatherman telling you what next week's weather will be.

This deal is NOT necessary--except to those who want a bailout.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 09/22/2008
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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Of course economists will say and try anything to keep Capitalism on respirators, that's where the bread is buttered. Just as oil men will deny global-warming and drug companies will marginalize cures for profitable ailments.

Those prospering from empires will never acknowledge a realization that will jearpardize their empires existence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 09/22/2008
- dbawden I'm a Fan of dbawden 4 fans permalink
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The title of this article implies their is a consensus among economists that this is what they have determined is needed. The author spends 90% if the space telling us what we already know and cites 2 individuals who are somehow referred to as "economists". Give me a break.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 09/22/2008
- Bobrobert I'm a Fan of Bobrobert 9 fans permalink

DEPRESSION 08

Ask yourself one question - what economist in his right mind would suggest that we should bailout every bank in the country with a trillion dollar loan?????

I cannot find one economist that believes this will work - the banking industry cannot survive this meltdown and will only take our government with it if we try to bail them out.

Sheep - unite - stop the madness.

Make sure you have enough food on hand to get you through the winter - shortages are already turning up all over the world.

There is plenty of food - but no one can afford to buy it.

Depressions are such a let down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 AM on 09/22/2008
- Phil Waste I'm a Fan of Phil Waste 10 fans permalink

Now is the time for a blue ribbon commission to study this situation.

Don't do anything until we know the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 09/22/2008
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 09/22/2008
- collima I'm a Fan of collima 4 fans permalink

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 09/22/2008
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 09/22/2008

This is the only economist who has been calling it largely right for the last 2-3 years:

http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini/

Watch him on Charlie Rose: http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2008/09/charlie-rose-fannie-and-freddie.html

not a pretty picture he paints ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 AM on 09/22/2008

" Roubini: The only real solution to the problem of over indebtedness is to reduce the value of the outstanding debt. We need more a depression-era Home Owners' Loan Corporation (HOLC)-type of institutions that buys illiquid mortgage assets at a discount from banks rather than an RTC that restructures assets from already defaulted banks. Let's call this new 'bad bank' HOME (Home Owners’ Mortgage Enterprise). Moreover, buying up mortgages assets at a discount may push some banks into insolvency as they would have to book the lower value and take the writedown against capital that might not be there at this point. This is why an HOME solution may need to be combined with a Residential Finance Corporation (RFC)-like institution for the recapitalization of undercapitalized financial institutions."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 AM on 09/22/2008
- PT6 I'm a Fan of PT6 25 fans permalink

Who owns the Economists?

This is the last and greatest insult and ripoff by the Bush Team of the middle class by the Neocons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 AM on 09/22/2008
- Maschine I'm a Fan of Maschine 4 fans permalink

I agree.

This is horrible and the Dems are playing right into their hands....the Idiots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 AM on 09/23/2008

It is hard to believe wolves who cry "Wolf!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 09/22/2008
- robeson I'm a Fan of robeson 20 fans permalink
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Public, Economists Unnecessary

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 09/21/2008
- lbrillante I'm a Fan of lbrillante 7 fans permalink

I can agree to a more measured solution but definitely not this big blank check put in the hands of Paulson who did nothing to prevent us from getting in this position. There is absolutely no way you hand the checkbook to the man who has been letting the financialy system to get completely screwed under his watch. Bush and Paulson give us no reason to trust them with such an awesome power. I accept that things are screwed up and a solution is necessary but we need a better one that what's on the table. It must include oversight, review, accountability, restructuring, and absolutely to relinquishing of the power of the purse that must be retained by congress.

We should slam every politician who says we need a bi-partisan solution as a way to shove Paulson's plan down our throats. Don't tell me I 'need to be bipartisan'. It is sick and demented that the conservatives think we 'should' hold homeowners who had bad mortgage deals accountable but not the big cahunas who made bad choices in leveraging their financial situations. That's once again putting the wealthy before the poor and middle class. It is more class warefare and it's outrageous.

Just say NO to blindly giving away our country to Bush and Paulson and friends. We may have to come up with a solution but this adminstration should not govern it. We need a better solution than what has been proposed!

Enough is Enough!!
Obama/Biden '08

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