Dire warnings fail to sway senators on big bailout

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JEANNINE AVERSA | September 23, 2008 10:44 PM EST | AP

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From left, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, Security and Exchange Commission (SEC) Chairman Christopher Cox, and Federal Housing Finance Agency Director James Lockhart testify on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, Sept. 23, 2008, before the Senate Banking Committee. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

WASHINGTON — Refusing to be pushed, Republicans and Democrats alike rebuffed dire warnings Tuesday from the government's top economic officials of recession, layoffs and foreclosed homes if Congress doesn't quickly approve the administration's emergency $700 billion financial bailout plan.

Congressional leaders still predicted passage _ with significant changes _ but Wall Street's nerves were hardly soothed. The Dow Jones industrials sank 161 points and now are off more than 500 this week after initially surging on the bailout announcement last week.

Deepening market trouble was just one piece of the economic havoc that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson told senators would ensue if Congress lags in acting on the administration's proposal to rescue tottering financial institutions.

"I share the outrage that people have," Paulson said. "It's embarrassing to look at this. I think it's embarrassing to the United States of America. There is a lot of blame to go around."

But without the bailout plan, Paulson and Bernanke sketched out a dire scenario for senators at a contentious daylong hearing: Neither businesses nor consumers would be able to borrow money, and the world's largest economy would grind to a virtual halt.

In public and in private meetings, both Democrats and Republicans said big changes are needed, presaging a difficult road ahead for the measure.

The legislation the administration is promoting would allow the government to buy bad mortgages and other rotten assets held by troubled banks and financial institutions. Getting those debts off their books should bolster those companies' balance sheets, making them more inclined to lend and easing one of the biggest choke points in the credit crisis. If the plan works, it should help lift a major weight off the national economy that is already sputtering.

One Wall Street firm got a boost Tuesday with word that Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway Inc. is investing at least $5 billion in Goldman Sachs. It was a huge vote of confidence for one of the survivors of the credit crisis that felled two of its investment banking peers.

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The news sent shares of Goldman Sachs and stock index futures soaring in electronic trading, after the Dow Jones suffered declines.

Democrats were determined to wrest concessions from the administration on domestic spending and middle-class economic aid. And they said Republicans had to share in the politically tricky task of pushing through a financial bailout six weeks before the elections at a time when millions of everyday Americans are economically strapped.

"It's their problem. It's their bill. And they're going to have to figure out if they can support it," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said of Republicans.

"Nobody wants to have to do this," agreed Rep. John Boehner of Ohio, the Republican leader. He said he was hopeful of a quick agreement, despite withering criticism from conservative GOP lawmakers who recoiled at the prospect of federal intervention.

Sen. Jim Bunning, R-Ky., said, "This massive bailout is not a solution. It is financial socialism and it's un-American."

Separately, law enforcement officials said the FBI had begun investigating four institutions whose collapse helped trigger the financial crisis.

The FBI is looking at potential fraud by mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. and insurer American International Group Inc., said two officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the investigations. The inquiries, still in preliminary stages, will focus on the financial institutions and the people who ran them, one senior law enforcement official said.

As for the bailout plan, both parties' presidential candidates joined fellow senators in insisting on alterations in the administration's drastic prescription.

Democrats and Republicans alike demanded that the bailout limit pay packages for executives of companies helped by the rescue.

"Clipping executive compensation is easy right now _ everybody wants it," said Rep. Jack Kingston, R-Ga.

Democrats also were pushing proposals to let the government take some type of stake in the companies that it helps. The administration has balked at that, fearing it would discourage financial companies from getting the help they need through the bailout, thereby blunting the plan's effectiveness.

Democrats also want to let judges rewrite mortgages to lower bankrupt homeowners' monthly payments, another demand the administration is resisting.

Both Sens. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., chairman of the Banking Committee, and the panel's top-ranking Republican, Richard Shelby of Alabama, said significant changes are needed before the rescue plan can be passed. "We have got to look at some alternatives," Shelby said.

Getting the action right is key, Dodd said: "There is no second act to this." He later spoke disparagingly of the administration's proposal. "What they have sent us is not acceptable," he told reporters.

Bernanke's remarks about the risk of recession came in response to a question from Dodd, who seemed eager to hear a strong rationale for lawmakers to act swiftly on the administration's unprecedented request.

"The financial markets are in quite fragile condition, and I think absent a plan they will get worse," Bernanke said.

Ominously, he added, "I believe if the credit markets are not functioning, that jobs will be lost, that our credit rate will rise, more houses will be foreclosed upon, GDP will contract, that the economy will just not be able to recover in a normal, healthy way."

GDP is a measure of growth, and a decline correlates with a recession.

Across the Capitol complex, Vice President Dick Cheney and President Bush's top advisers met privately with restive House Republicans, some of whom emerged from the session unpersuaded.

"Just because God created the world in seven days doesn't mean we have to pass this bill in seven days," said Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas.

Added Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., "I am emphatically against it."

Paulson, seated next to Bernanke at the Senate hearing, objected strongly when Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., asked if $150 billion might be enough to get the program started, with a promise of more to come.

That would be a "grave mistake," and would fail to give the markets the confidence they needed to rebound, Paulson responded.

Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., the Financial Services Committee chairman who is leading talks with Paulson on the plan, also called phasing in the bailout "highly unlikely."

Paulson was asked repeatedly why taxpayers should accept the burdens of a bailout.

"You worry about taxpayers being on the hook?" he replied at one point. "Guess what _ they're already on the hook." Paulson suggested that the fallout from the credit crisis would hit almost everyone in the pocketbook unless forceful action was taken. Moreover, the flawed and outdated regulatory system, which didn't catch abuses, needs to be overhauled, he said.

In New York, meanwhile, Bush was telling the U.N. General Assembly that the United States was taking "bold steps" to prevent an economic calamity that would be sure to have major effects around the world.

One of the tricky issues confronting policymakers is how to price the distressed assets that the government would ultimately buy.

Bernanke suggested buying the assets at a "hold-to-maturity" price, which would be based on an estimate of what the securities would eventually be worth as payments came in over the years.

"If the Treasury bids for and then buys assets at a price close to the hold-to-maturity price, there will be substantial benefits," Bernanke said. "First, banks will have a basis for valuing those assets and will not have to use fire-sale prices. Their capital will not be unreasonably marked down."

In contrast, if banks use existing "mark-to-market" rules that require them to value the holdings at what similar securities have recently sold for _ in some cases pennies on the dollar _ it could make the whole bailout futile because it would hurt many banks' balance sheets, causing some to fail. "This creates something of a vicious circle," he said.

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Associated Press Writers Julie Hirschfeld Davis and Martin Crutsinger contributed to this report

WASHINGTON — Refusing to be pushed, Republicans and Democrats alike rebuffed dire warnings Tuesday from the government's top economic officials of recession, layoffs and foreclosed homes if Cong...
WASHINGTON — Refusing to be pushed, Republicans and Democrats alike rebuffed dire warnings Tuesday from the government's top economic officials of recession, layoffs and foreclosed homes if Cong...
 
 

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- fcsakes See Profile I'm a Fan of fcsakes permalink

Bush is disappointed? Too damn bad. Cindy Sheehan in disappointed too - lots of people are "disappointed" that they will never see their sons, daughters, loved ones again because george w bush needed to lie to start a war for his buddies.

Disappointed bush? Too damn bad. I'm disappointed too. Disappointed that you decided your oil, corporate, pharma buddies were much more important than peoples lives, the environment, health care, THE ECONOMY, our infrastructure, education, clean air, clean water, VA benefits, social security, medicare. Yeah, I'm disappointed too.

So bushie, how's arrogance working out for you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 PM on 09/29/2008
- WorkingClass See Profile I'm a Fan of WorkingClass permalink

"Neither businesses nor consumers would be able to borrow money, and the world's largest economy would grind to a virtual halt".

Businesses and consumers must be able to go further in debt, even though they cannot carry any more debt, or the world's largest economy will grind to a halt.

Have you ever been to a tractor pull? The tractors compete to see which one can pull a special sled the farthest. What makes it special is the farther you drag it the heavier it gets until even the most powerful tractor cant pull it any farther. It grinds to a halt.

We have been committed to a system that must grow or die. How does it grow? By going further and further in debt. When it cant go any further in debt it *grinds to a halt*. This bail out might get us another ten yards down the field. But it will make the sled heaver and inevitably our economy will grind to a halt.

Debt money is the problem, exacerbated by bad government. Business as usual is not an option for Americans. Like it or not, we will regroup and rebuild. Like it or not, we will learn to live within our means and within our borders.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 09/29/2008
- whatsthatsound See Profile I'm a Fan of whatsthatsound permalink

Like the faux Hillary says in the SNL skit; Grow a pair. Grow a pair so you can stand up to pushy con artists like Paulson, who wants to rig everything so he can bail out his buddies and their nine digit salaries first, the American economy second. Grow a pair so you can stand up on a stage and excoriate this administration for its incredible incompetence, and unwillingness to accept even an atom of blame for its gargantuan failures. Senators and Congresspersons, now is the time to show that you serve the American people, or prove that you are owned lock stock and barrel by the greed kings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 AM on 09/26/2008
- guajiro See Profile I'm a Fan of guajiro permalink

What was it these same people were saying about Hugo Chavez's economy in Venezuela? I heard he has an open door invitation to all the Wall Street types who want to sail down there in their yachts for a buffet of roasted, fried, and baked crow!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 09/25/2008
- AdV2k1 See Profile I'm a Fan of AdV2k1 permalink

What if for the only time in his Presidency Bush is telling the truth.

We assume he is wrong like always and this time next year America is in the new rome, once a great nation but fallen. We could of helped it, but instead we attacked the smart people and said NO and than rome fell, burnt to the ground and we ask ourselves how did this happen.

Can we really afford a 2nd Great Depression to teach the fatcats a lesson?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 09/25/2008
- fcsakes See Profile I'm a Fan of fcsakes permalink

The depression that's coming will never be the fault of the people for being against bailout of Wall Street. It is, and always will be, the fault of policy makers who did wrong and knew they were doing it at the time and who DID NOT LISTEN to wiser voices pleading with them to consider their decisions.

How did it happen? There are many books already written on that subject - maybe you could read one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 09/29/2008
- guajiro See Profile I'm a Fan of guajiro permalink

It's obvious you haven't read a thing. Read up on Bush's performance in Tx as gov. and you'll find he did the same to Texas that he's doing now; slashed social spending such as reducing the chip programs to assist in medical care for kids, slashed the Veteran's healthcare system, put in place the "no child left behind" which was found to be modeled after a program that the former Secretary of Ed. fraudulently manipulated the test scores on, claimed credit for programs that the former Democrat Speaker of the House implemented, etc. The world now knows the war in Iraq was a fraud, that Iraq had NOTHING to do with the twin towers, that Bush's main funds provider in campaign races, Tom Lay of Enron, helped devastate western U.S. by manipulating the electricity rates who was then found to be a criminal and sentenced to jail, that many former Bush allies are in jail with many having been pardoned, that social programs under Bush have been slashed these last 8 years, THAT EVEN NOW he refuses to cap the $20 to $100 million dollar bonuses the CEO's of the failed banks and investment firms are demanding EVEN THOUGH they bandrupted their own companies, that our own constitution demands that we share power and thus share decisions, not to be mandated to by any branch, certainly not by the treasury, AND YOU STILL WONDER IF BUSH IS TELLING THE TRUTH? You must be mad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 09/25/2008
- KOisGod See Profile I'm a Fan of KOisGod permalink

This is a crime of biblical proportions.

And I have just one Question: Where is this money coming from? The govt is broke, isn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 09/25/2008
- stayinsouth1981 See Profile I'm a Fan of stayinsouth1981 permalink

Lying bunch of lying liars.

"Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/22/dirty-secret-of-the-bailo_n_128294.html

Be afraid, very afraid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 09/25/2008
- RichardThomas See Profile I'm a Fan of RichardThomas permalink

Most of the world doesn't know about the 65 Trillion Dollar Credit Swap Defaults still looming. It dwarfs the mortgage crises and it all has more to do with a Fiat Currency Bubble Burst.

The info is on http://www.coinage.me/default.htm

Where the flaws are articulated in detail unlike anything you see on the news, such that you can understand them and so the workings are not obfuscated with complexity. A detail solution is provided to fix the foundation, which everyone else speaking about the problem seems to lack.

Many people only see the appearances they do not see the fundamental flaw in the system itself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 09/25/2008
- dukeitout See Profile I'm a Fan of dukeitout permalink

Sen. Jim Bunning, R-Ky., said, "This massive bailout is not a solution. It is financial socialism and it's un-American." This extremely simple analysis of things could only be done by a "simpleton." This is the type of thinking that promoted free, unregulated markets without oversight; a prescription for disaster. It is perfectly proper for the government to intervene in this case of national emergency. The emergency was essentially declared by the president.--- Strike three, yur outta line Senator!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 09/25/2008
- lejoneric See Profile I'm a Fan of lejoneric permalink

PEOPLE ACT NOW- CALL YOUR REP AND TELL THEM NO TO WALL STREET/BUSH CRIMINALS!!

PLEASE!!!!

WE HAVE TO STOP THIS NOW!! MAKE THEM LISTEN!!!!


http://www.house.gov/zip/ZIP2Rep.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 09/25/2008
- helpusall789 See Profile I'm a Fan of helpusall789 permalink

In another post, I refered to this economic rumble as another trojan dark horse shinanigan lie perpetuated by Bush in order to get the billions of dollars a month needed to fund the never ending Iraq oil war started by lies and fraud. Why should anyone with common sense believe bush along with staged actor McCain? Doesn't anyone remember the Keating 5? These guys sleep and eat up ways to dup people out of their money because they are good at it and that's what they do for a living. And now it's happening again 2008 style with the pres and all of his men in tow duping tax payers. No one wants to try to understand the real deal. AIG's main thurst is insurance so why not ask someone in that industry to explain in lay terms why this bailout is necessary now (or not) and secondly (bailout) by the American people. It's not. AIG would survive and life would go on the same as with any other company in bankrupcy given time to recoup. They have billions in assets which is why the execs have no second thoughts about takin their due (pensions, pay, etc.). In this sense the term heresy might apply as the ideological pigeonhole needed to finance the billion dollars a month Iraq oil war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 09/25/2008
- bk13 See Profile I'm a Fan of bk13 permalink

Let me start with a quote from Prof. Carroll Quigley, renowned, late Georgetown macro-historian (mentioned by former President Clinton in his first nomination acceptance speech)

"The powers of financial capitalism had a far-reaching plan, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole...Their secret is that they have annexed from governments, monarchies, and republics the power to create the world's money..."

The problem with our economy is the Federal Reserve and The fractional reserve lending system.

The Federal Reserve has a monopoly over the creation of our money.

The federal reserve is is a privately owned bank whose sole purpose is to make money for it's share holders.

The federal reserve has been robbing American people since it was established in 1913.

The only solution to this problem is to:
1. Dissolve the Federal Reserve
2. Outlaw Fractional Reserve Lending
3. Institute a Monetary Reform Act based on debt free notes.

This is the one and ONLY issue that truly matters in terms returning power to the people of the United States.

Here's a link to a documentary on google video that goes into more detail:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936

Here's a link to the web site where you order the DVD and find out more about the proposed Monetary Reform Act:
http://www.themoneymasters.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 09/25/2008
- knowhelpnow See Profile I'm a Fan of knowhelpnow permalink

This is so true, and as the years have gone by they are only getting worst. We should have never given our purse to a private company.

Do not fall for the fear mongering, have we not learned over the last 7+ years that this is how this Administration gets what it wants.

Who ever votes for this bailout should be gone next January, of course by then it will be a bailout of trillions so hold on to your hat, and your pants because they will take everything you have.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 09/25/2008
- tyger See Profile I'm a Fan of tyger permalink

Never seen so many so called experts fuke stuff up. I could have done a better job. Commonsense is not in their tool kit it would seem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 09/25/2008
- tililek See Profile I'm a Fan of tililek permalink

Only a few weeks ago we heard that the economy was great. Now we learn that $700 billion is needed. Please tell me where that number came from. If something is needed, I want a lot more details of why and where and who.

I'm not sorry for those who took in millions from the gullible. I just don't know where they are. I'm not sorry for the investors who dreamed of super earnings and collected them for several years. Many banks and credit unions did look at the financials of those wanting mortgages and loans, so they're now being penalized for those who lent money to anyone who walked in the door. I feel sorry for the public who were honest, didn't expect something for nothing and are now expect to pay for all the others.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 09/25/2008
- KillTheMessenger See Profile I'm a Fan of KillTheMessenger permalink

If borrowing money got us into this trouble, how will borrowing more money get us out of it?

I am looking forward to detailed calculations by economists and amateurs alike that can mathematically prove this conundrum.

:-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 09/25/2008
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