Who Won The Debate? Reviews Go To Obama

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The Huffington Post   |  Nico Pitney   |   September 26, 2008 11:41 PM


***UPDATED 9/27***

A focus group of 45 voters with an "unmistakenly Republican tilt" believed that Obama won the night handily:

[B]y a 38 to 27 percent margin these voters said that Obama won this debate. ... A look at the underlying numbers shows that Obama made important gains that could endure through Election Day. These undecided voters had a strong positive reaction to Obama on a personal level. Before the debate, just 40 percent viewed Obama positively, but this skyrocketed to 69 percent after the debate - a remarkable 29-point gain that left him more personally popular than McCain despite this group's conservative leanings. He also made large strides on being seen as independent, from 44 percent to 65 percent. And in head-to-head matchups against McCain, Obama made significant gains on who "shares your values" and is "on your side."

The New York Times editorial board writes that Obama won the discussion of the economy and that McCain seemed out of step with the current moment:

Mr. McCain fumbled his way through the economic portion of the debate, while Mr. Obama seemed clear and confident. Mr. McCain was more fluent on foreign affairs, and scored points by repeatedly calling Mr. Obama naïve and inexperienced.

But Mr. McCain's talk of experience too often made him sound like a tinny echo of the 20th century. At one point, he talked about how Ronald Reagan's "S.D.I." helped end the cold war. We suspect that few people under the age of 50 caught the reference. If he was reaching for Reagan's affable style, he missed by a mile, clenching his teeth and sounding crotchety where Reagan was sunny and avuncular.

Dan Balz, providing analysis for the Washington Post, says there was no knockout punch:

Each rose to the challenge here Friday night, forcefully scoring points on one another, sparkling at times, but neither emerged as the obvious winner except perhaps to their partisans. There were good exchanges but few big moments of the kind that can change a presidential race.

Meanwhile his colleague Tom Shales sums up the night as 'McCain too nasty, Obama too nice':

Obama supporters must have been displeased, then, to hear their candidate keep agreeing with McCain, a case perhaps of sportsmanlike conduct run amok. Doesn't Obama want to win?[...]

Many of McCain's answers were preceded with belittling references to Obama as if he were talking to a college freshman way out of his depth.

The Wall Street Journal editorial board felt that McCain won on foreign policy while Obama won on the economy:

As planned by the commission on debates, most of the night was devoted to foreign policy and there we give the clear edge to Mr. McCain. This is the ground where the 72-year-old is most comfortable, and you could see it in his self-confidence, as well as his command of history and facts.[...]

Where Mr. Obama did score better was on the domestic front, where he tried repeatedly to link Mr. McCain to President Bush and to what he called a failed "economic philosophy."

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For the Los Angeles Times the debate was too close to call in terms of a winner:

In a debate that both candidates could ill-afford to lose Friday night, neither did. John McCain proved he was resolute and tough; Barack Obama demonstrated that he was smart and polished. And in this case, a tie could be said to favor either.

Time's Joe Klein calls it a narrow victory for Obama:

Obama emerged as a candidate who was at least as knowledgeable, judicious and unflappable as McCain on foreign policy ... and more knowledgeable, and better suited to deal with the economic crisis and domestic problems the country faces.

On ABC, George Stephanopoulos concluded:

And overall, bottom line, the winner is Barack Obama. He comes into this race where the country wants change, his number one goal was to show that he belonged on that stage...he could hold his own on national security, he did that tonight, he gets the win.

Appearing alongside him was George Will, who also said Obama came out ahead:

I think Barack Obama came out and looked comfortable and as though he belonged there. So, in a sense, the structure of the debate, indeed, the fact of the debate had to give a mild leg up to Barack Obama.



Several positive reviews for Obama. A CBS News instant poll finds:

40% of uncommitted voters who watched the debate tonight thought Barack Obama was the winner. 22% thought John McCain won. 38% saw it as a draw.


68% of these voters think Obama would make the right decision
about the economy. 41% think McCain would.

49% of these voters think Obama would make the right decisions about Iraq. 55% think McCain would.

Watch:

Two focus groups, one by GOP pollster Frank Luntz and another by Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg, both declared Obama the winner. Here's video of Luntz, some pretty powerful stuff:

Independents in the MediaCurves focus group "gave the debate to Obama 61-39. They also think he won every individual segment. Republicans gave the debate to McCain 90-10, Democrats to Obama 93-7."

And even Time's Mark Halperin weighs in with his grades: Obama A-, McCain B-.

Update: CNN's poll has all Obama winning overall, on the economy and on Iraq:

Who Did the Best Job In the Debate?

Obama 51%
McCain 38%

Who Would Better Handle Economy?
Obama 58%
McCain 37%

Who Would Better Handle Iraq?
Obama 52%
McCain 47%

Related: HuffPost Bloggers Weigh In -- Nora Ephron, Madeline Albright, Sean Penn And More On Who Won

***UPDATED 9/27*** A focus group of 45 voters with an "unmistakenly Republican tilt" believed that Obama won the night handily: [B]y a 38 to 27 percent margin these voters said that Obama won this d...
***UPDATED 9/27*** A focus group of 45 voters with an "unmistakenly Republican tilt" believed that Obama won the night handily: [B]y a 38 to 27 percent margin these voters said that Obama won this d...
 
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FDR was right. High top income tax, large public works programs, strict regulation of wall street and the Banks WORKS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 10/16/2008

Obama won the debate, but that doesn't mean he should be president.

Big government doesn't work period. Obama sees government in the role of parent, caregiver, re-distributor of wealth. This very socialist perspective is demonstrated in his voting, and outlined in his books and policies. Example : the Union Check Card issue misleadingly named the "Employee Free Choice Act" http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/11840.html

Americans are scared. We feel so disillusioned and leaderless we appear to be willing to to 'try anything' to see if it will make a difference. George Bush was possibly the worst president in history, but we can't make another mistake and elect a fundamentally socialist leader.

Independence and self-resilience is what built and made this country great. The more freedoms and choices we turn over to the government because we are desperate to feel secure is a dangerous road. History has proven socialism fails its people, weakens the republic and squashes a nation's engine for success ...self-determination.

If you truly care about where this country is going, vote for the only person running who really knows what it is like to lose the freedoms we take for granted. John McCain, though not so well spoken or 'relatable', is the only candidate that has consistently demonstrated via accomplishment and action he knows how to lead and triumph in times of extreme crisis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 10/16/2008

Obama was calm, McCain was desperate and eratic...I am sick and tired of hearing how McCain is favored for his policy on National Security. This man lied several times tonight and lost it a few times. Joe the Plumber, if you think the Republicans give two hoots about you and your having to pay taxes, I've got a subprime loan for you. Can it be any clearer? I know its a leap for you America...but Obama is clearly the best of the two.

Vote Obama 08!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 10/15/2008
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 10/15/2008
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Can McCain win the last debate - Yes - If he hires Bill Clinton as his stand-in. .........................
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/15/can-mccain-win-the-debate/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 10/15/2008

Sen. McCain clearly won the debate! Sen. Obama look like the inexperience person he is. Sen. Obama dodged every question and in doing so told the people how he feels we are all too stupid to catch on. The only time he answered a question is when he followed McCain. How many times did Sen. McCain say -okay I will answer the question after Sen. Obama dodge it??? To many to count.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 10/08/2008

The GOP once was a dignified party which represented the business elite of our country. In the days of Nelson Rockefeller and Barry Goldwater, it contributed to our nation's greatness. Now it is a mean-spirited party which represents the uneducated, the anti-scientific, the jingoistic, and the kleptocrats of the Bush administration who have shamelessly looted the treasury and left the country deeply in the red.

The so-called tax and spend Democrats have by default become the party of fiscal responsibility, which would surely astonish Rockefeller and Goldwater could they see it. The Republicans have bungled in every possible way under Bush-from ignoring the warnings prior to 9-11, through the bungled occupation of Iraq and the hopelessly incompetent management of Katrina on to the debacle of undermining the very foundations of our banking system. They deserve to be swept from power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 10/08/2008

You gotta be kidding. You sound CRAZY! You must be! If anyone agrees with mccain answers is not thinking clearly. mccain is doind the same thing bush did, making a bunch of empty promises. He is the reason people cant afford gas and their mortgage. The world was fine before. Obama gives answers that are thought out and carefully planned instead of trying to control the whole world like US is the only one here. Mccain sounded ridiculous. Just like you! All he wants to do is look out for the wealthy and not guve a damn about anyone else. Obama want to make the world better. You look at the facts correctly! Mr koolmom21!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 10/08/2008
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Hey koolmom21,

You gotta learn how to spell and use some grammar, okay???? Maybe then, people will listen to you......

or not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 10/15/2008

Please leave your comments at Fox.com or National Enquirer, the people who post comments here are intelligent political analysts. Your comments are inferior.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 10/15/2008

McCain accused Obama of spending and raising taxes. Obama denied all of this. But it seems that every time Obama talked about reform whether it be in America or in relation to foreign policy, he kept saying that we're going to have to spend more money. Foreign policy investment are NEVER cheap, and you'd think HE would have learned that from the current administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 AM on 10/08/2008

McCain waxed Obama as usual in this debate. It is unfortunate for the voters that Obama was too afraid to accept McCain's invitation to 10 town hall styled type of debates earlier in the campaign, although wise for his sake since he would have embarrased himself. If the Marxist Obama wins it will not be the result of his merit and certainly not due to his resume, but because of the exponential number of uneducated, dancing with the stars watching, kool aid drinking, Oprah deciple ameoba voters. "Change" is all you will have rattling around in your pockets with Obama. Vote Red!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 10/08/2008

George Bush has completed the job of destroying US credibility and prestige in the world. What he started with the Iraq war, founded on lies and conducted as a boondoggle for Halliburton & Bechtel, escalated with the "Heck of a job, Brownie," fiasco, he has completed by destroying the US banking system, if not the entire economy. Congratulations! Four more years, anybody? I'm sure the Al-Qaida are rooting for McSame. What Al-Qaida couldn't do, the Republicans are doing quite well-destroying America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 10/08/2008

there are plenty of countries with free health care insurance. America has never been the land of the fair and home of the weak. your health problems are not my problem. what is american is come up with a solution for health care and become rich off of it. then rather than debating on how fair overpriced health care is you can debate how fair being rich and paying for 95% of the country is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 10/08/2008

WOW! people every single american has been a minority, they arrived here poor over 70% of germans,british and english arrived here as indentured slaves. yet we are spending double on illegal immigrants than we are on the war which benefits us, the states with the largest problem of illegals are now asking the federal goverment for a bailout. California the most liberal state in the union needs 7 billion to continue. What is obamas plan to save 80 billion dollars on illeagl immigrants? on his website the answer is his plan to send our money to foreign countries for the poor. he has signed an 80 billion dollar bill to send 80 billion to foreign countries. Why do we need welfare programs when the unemployment is 5% and the illegal work force is also 5% the oil companies receive about 25% of each gallon of gas compared to the goverment in taxes. what is oabams plan to relive taxes on the 45 cents a gallon the state and federal goverment get in taxes compared to the 4 cents a gallon the oil companies get. the top 10% of america pays 95% of the tax burden. get real people if you want america then vote Mcain if you want socialism then there are an abundance of countries that you will love.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 10/08/2008

im a republican and proud of it.
democractic party along with obama has ruined our economy in 2 years
Yes we will need to remove spending such as the social programs the democrats have put in place for the last 60 years. that means that people will need to get a job! unless obama is elected then the people that already have a job will have to get a second job so we can afford to send 85 billion dollars overseas such as the bill obama has signed on to. wake up democrats the liberals such as obama need you for power, they need you to be weak or they will fail to exsist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 10/07/2008

"That"s why I say I, like every American I"m speaking with, we"re ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the healthcare reform that is needed to help shore up our economy. Helping the"it"s got to be all about job creation too, shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans and trade"we"ve got to see trade as opportunity, not as competitive, scary thing, but one in five jobs being created in the trade sector today"we"ve got to look at that as more opportunity."

This an exact quote of Palin's response to the question regarding whether or not the Wall Street bailout was a good idea. Does she sound ready for the leadership of the free world? Senator McCain is 72 years old and has had two bouts of cancer. Saturday night used the quote verbatim, apparently feeling that they couldn't improve on it for comedy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 10/08/2008

Boy Republicans can't be happy that homeowneres who are losing home equity and are being forclosed can't be happy. Watch the post debate spin from McCains camp.
Also, McCain is so out of touch with healthcare needs of Americans when he thinks that a $5000 credit on their taxes will result in healthcare coverage.

Obviously McCain's proposal shows he could care less that health insurance companies can only stay in business and make a profit if they deny care. Thats the problem dummy.
How can someone making $20.00 an hour afford to pay a doctor who charges 10 times that for a procedure?

Earth to McCain, get a grip. His attitude and demeanor, "That one" shows his arrogant decadent style. Send this guy home and give him is retirement check for his service.

Robert

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 10/07/2008

Havn't seen this mentioned yet, but at about the 30 min. mark, JMc seems to refer to Obama as "that one".

Anyone catch that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 10/07/2008

If O wins what do we get: higher taxes (don't try the only for the rich bit), Supreme court Justices that will take away our rights (starting with guns, then freedom of religion through the use of the hate speech bill, and then freedom of speech at least for reps oh and the child molesters will get more rights age of concent will be decreased drastically), universal health care where they limit your care, reparations for slavery, an increase in abortion rates, sky rocketing umemployment, increase in crime then you will see your election suspended and king O crowned. I could keep going but it gets depressing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 09/30/2008

You have GOT to be kidding right? Can you really be so ignorant that you would believe the words you just typed...?? God help us, I knew the US was getting dumber but you just lowered the average IQ by another 20 points.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 10/01/2008

You gotta be kidding me right? A conservative court is more likely take away religious freedom than a liberal court would....besides its in the first amendment that NO ONE can take away our right to freedom of religion..As for your other points...I wont even argue against them...thats how ridiculous they are...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 AM on 10/08/2008

My immediate impression of the debate was that McCain came across as very condescending and very much the warmonger. To have someone running for POTUS who does not see the sense of sitting down and discussing issues with foreign leaders , someone who would rather ignore them or bash them over the head with a stick, is very concerning. Barack Obama was very patient when McCain kept interrupting him, was very well versed on the issues, and talked about the ISSUES, unlike McCain who talked about OBAMA....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 09/30/2008
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