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The Mother Of All Expectation Games


First Posted: 09-30-08 02:24 PM   |   Updated: 10-31-08 05:12 AM

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First rule of thumb in presidential politics: if a GOP operative is saying it, it's not true.

That's why I'm disinclined to put much credibility in the WSJ's article today about GOP fears that Palin won't be able to pull off the Thursday debate.

The article doesn't feature a single GOP operative speaking in Palin's defense. Meanwhile, the article cites several examples of Plain "flubbing" mock debates, whatever that means.

Those leaks have to be coming from McCain-land. You never see that kind of stuff coming from a campaign unless it's planned, and their plan couldn't be more obvious. They are playing pre-debate spin wars, and they are doing it big time, workign feverishly to lower expectations for Palin's performance.

I'll give them some credit: they have done a great job of lowering expectations. They've made lemonade out of the CBS interview lemon, and it just might pay off in some small degree.

While there is always a chance Palin could gaffe during the debate, it's far more likely that she will do just fine, in large part because the debate's format is so rigidly structured (a fact that should also benefit Joe Biden, who is a gaffe-monster himself).

But even though they've managed to lower expectations, they haven't really dealt with the fundamental problem that they face, which is that at a time when the McCain campaign needs a game-changing moment, the best they can hope for in the debate on Thursday is that it isn't a calamity.

Fortunately for them, it probably won't be a calamity, but even if Palin wins the debate it won't mean much for the campaign. Remember Lloyd Bentsen's demolition of Dan Quayle in 1988? Take a look:

I'd be surprised as anybody if Palin won the debate as thoroughly as Bentsen did in 1988, but we all know what happened in 1988. (Similarly, if Biden wins like Bensten it won't change much.)

On the other hand, if Palin turns in a debate performance worthy of James Stockdale in 1992 (Ross Perot's "what am I doing here" running mate) McCain would suffer real demage, damage that no amount of pre-debate spin can counteract.

Again, a repeat of Stockdale 1992 probably isn't in the cards.

Most likely, on Friday morning we'll probably be looking at a race that's fundamentally unchanged. If it is changed, however, it won't be a good thing for McCain.

First rule of thumb in presidential politics: if a GOP operative is saying it, it's not true. That's why I'm disinclined to put much credibility in the WSJ's article today about GOP fears that Palin w...
First rule of thumb in presidential politics: if a GOP operative is saying it, it's not true. That's why I'm disinclined to put much credibility in the WSJ's article today about GOP fears that Palin w...
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02:56 PM on 10/01/2008
If Ifill tosses softballs, this benefits Palin. Buts appropriately specific questions and pressing for specific answers/examples favors Biden. I am optimistic that Ifill will deliver a good debate; this year, more than any other year in memory, the press has actually remembered their responsibility.

The danger here is the same as last Friday: if mccain didn't crash and burn, it could be interpreted as a victory.... at least a draw. He didn't (quite) crash and burn. Same here...if Palin doesn't crash and burn, or stumble badly, or gaffe, etc,....the right-wing spin machine will declare a huge victory...but some of the american public may well just say "well, she wasn't THAT bad..." and use that as an excuse to jump back on board.

A huge double-standard. People need more proof, reason, & justification to vote FOR Obama than they do to vote for mccain. Obama/Biden needs to succeed, to prove their points time over, again and again....

mccain/palin needs only not to fail miserably.....

I echo others comments here....give Joe some credit. Obama/Biden has a lot going for 'em....the intellect, being on the right side of the issues, the current implosion of this country, and the ability to communicate better than their opponents. Biden's been around for a long time. He has awaited this very opportunity for a generation. All the press here has been about analyzing palin. Expect Biden to have a gameplan, which he will pull off.
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foolchild0
01:38 AM on 10/01/2008
Let it come to you, Joe! Don't force it!
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ricitizen
none of your business
12:52 AM on 10/01/2008
Here is a link to Palin's style of debate: "What it's like to debate Sarah Palin
I know firsthand: She's a master of the nonanswer.
By Andrew Halcro" http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1001/p09s01-coop.html

My friends, Joe will win, but do not underestimate her.

Here is a link to Joe's style:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNO6-WoC_Vw&feature=related
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ricitizen
none of your business
12:35 AM on 10/01/2008
Let Joe be Joe in the debate and he will win.

See him in debate action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNO6-WoC_Vw&feature=related
12:32 AM on 10/01/2008
One of the most horrific things about Palin is, her "star quality" and age may allow her to either a) get a Senate seat, or b) run in 8 years after she has time to "study" America 101. After this election, I never want to hear about her again, but fear we will hear all too much for too long.
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Daly
01:47 AM on 10/01/2008
getting a senate seat is not out of the question however I think she will parlay this into a huckabee gig - at least she is trained for that; if she pops up again in 8 years and she is a viable candidate; then we may be speaking a different language because something went awfully wrong for anyone to consider her. The only reason for her geting a senate seat is Alaska history of picking such peaches.
12:06 AM on 10/01/2008
Sheesh, the repubs have been playing the low expectations game since day one. It was part of their well-defined predetermined strategy. And of course the media played along. But so have so many Democrats, and they still are, blithely falling headlong in the trap set for them. Dems seem so often way more interested in winning arguments then in winning the election. Meanwhile, repubs keep walking away victors. Please Dems, wake up and hold your fire on Palin until Friday. In fact, for the next 2 days just swallow your pride and say nothing but wonderful and complimentary things about her. Thank you.
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Ohsnap
10:37 PM on 09/30/2008
I'm only watching this debate so I can understand the SNL skit that will follow.
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Harlemnite
Pulled over doing 55 in a 54.
09:58 PM on 09/30/2008
I think it will be like that old Honeymooners episode where Ralph is prepping for The Name That Tune game show. Norton had to play a little diddy before he could play any song and it ticked off Raplh. But when it came to game time the first song was the diddy that Norton played. She is gonna be stumped by something she really, really should know. She is over loaded with all kind of talking points and it came out in the Couric interview where she was all over the place on job creation, bailouts, defending Alaska. If she does well in the debates she stays on the ticket. If she bombs she will be gone by Saturday so that McCain could spin it on the weekend roundup.
09:31 PM on 09/30/2008
Here's yet another possible excuse to delay/cancel/suspend the debate:

She has a campaign-boostin photo-oppin' WEDDING to plan!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4837644.ece
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Daly
01:52 AM on 10/01/2008
when I saw this I suggested that O plan simucast concert across America; I just learned that the Boss, billy Joel are avail, plus say - Stevie W in LA America would have the choice tune in to the concert or watch the drama wedding of the GOP.

and the winner is
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karronna
08:55 PM on 09/30/2008
I predict she will attack Obama more successfully than McCain...that she will have been forcefed specific attack lines that will have some substance. Don't underestimate her...I don't think the Obama campaign has underestimated her. Let's just hope Joe can strike the right balance and has been properly prepared for the specific attacks that are coming...will be somewhat tough for him to rebut given the format though I fear.
07:52 PM on 09/30/2008
i'd say thursday @ noon is about the right time for mcsame to suspend the campaign again....
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cindyw
07:46 PM on 09/30/2008
I really don't get the "low expectations" game. It's pretty pathetic when they're really saying "she did okay for somebody we didn't expect much from to begin with".
12:13 AM on 10/01/2008
I suspect the "game" will become much more clear to you Friday morning.
07:40 PM on 09/30/2008
Think what you want, say what you will, the Republicans are brilliant spinners, and the tangled web they'll weave will catch Sarah should she fall. Just as we've witnessed their operatives turn the Obama-McCain debate in favor of McCain, no matter the outcome of Thursday's debate, Sarah will undoubtedly be the winner.
07:24 PM on 09/30/2008
Geez, I'm starting to feel a little sorry for Dan Quayle. I've seen that Bentson bitchslap re-played about 100 times on the news this week in anticipation of a similar one from Biden.
12:22 AM on 10/01/2008
yep but you have to admit - it was *really* a good one :)
07:08 PM on 09/30/2008
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