Can Ayers Save McCain? Pollsters Say Probably Not

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October 7, 2008 04:52 PM


John McCain's campaign has already recycled several of Sen. Hillary Clinton's primary-season attacks against Barack Obama -- from the famous "3 a.m." ad, to Afghanistan talking points, and several other rhetorical flourishes.

Now, late in the game, it is unleashing the Ayers gambit, just as the Clinton campaign did toward the end of its primary run. But did the strategy actually work for Clinton? And if so, can it turn the game around for McCain now?

Even pollsters who disagree over the extent to which Ayers aided Clinton expressed doubts to the Huffington Post that it could work now.

Democratic strategist Celinda Lake notes that Ayers "didn't really sink in" with voters earlier this year, but says it could hold more sway with a general election pool of voters. Emory University political scientist Alan Abramowitz says he doesn't believe the attacks worked in the primaries, either. A look at Gallup's polling over May and June shows a relatively stable Obama lead in the period directly after Clinton's invocation of Ayers at an April 16 debate.

But unlike Lake, Abramowitz is confident in predicting that the Ayers gambit won't work in October, either. On the one hand, he cites his own week-by-week modeling of the Gallup tracking poll over the last four and half months in order to show that "the electorate has actually been very stable in its preferences this year and there is no reason to expect any major change in the next four weeks."

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"[This] figure, showing the results of the Gallup tracking poll on a weekly basis since the end of the Democratic primaries, demonstrates that once the random day to day movement is removed, Obama has had a clear advantage all along although the size of his lead has increased slightly in the past two weeks," Abramowitz said. "Obama has led for 15 of the past 17 weeks, with one week tied. McCain has led for exactly one week, by 2 points, immediately after the Republican convention. Neither the two remaining presidential debates nor any other events between now and Election Day are likely to change the trajectory that this election has been on for many months."

Moreover, in this year's environment, "partisan attacks aren't credible with opposing partisans or even independents," he said. In addition, Abramowitz argued that negative messages are going to have "a lot of trouble getting through the overwhelming media focus on the economic crisis."

Pollster John Zogby agreed. "This is the one year that it looks like negative campaigning in general is not working. It's not giving a boost to the candidate who uses it, and voters clearly have other things on their mind," he said, echoing Abramowitz. "That sort of thing [negative ads] works well for voter suppression. But in this instance, voters tell us that they want a problem-solver. They want non-partisan, non-ideological solutions and characteristics."

There is also the issue of any negative attack's "shelf life," pollster Frank Luntz told the Huffington Post. "It's the problem that you have with any issue. It has no impact initially, until people start to see it and believe. Then its impact grows, until you saturate, until you get as much mileage out of it as you possibly can." Preventing that saturation right now is the economic crisis, he said. "If you didn't have an economic meltdown, then friends and supporters of the candidate would matter."

John McCain's campaign has already recycled several of Sen. Hillary Clinton's primary-season attacks against Barack Obama -- from the famous "3 a.m." ad, to Afghanistan talking points, and several oth...
John McCain's campaign has already recycled several of Sen. Hillary Clinton's primary-season attacks against Barack Obama -- from the famous "3 a.m." ad, to Afghanistan talking points, and several oth...
 
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Ayers has nothing to do with it.
It's Obama's lack of judgement all the way to this race.
Lack of judgement = lack of qualification.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 10/13/2008

Ayers has absolutely had no impact on anything that has been a part of my adult life,,,,what is the deal here? The name is so obscure to me I was alive at that time do not even remember the guy

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 10/12/2008

Had the justice system worked, Ayers would have spent his life in prison. He was a founder of a terrorist organization that advocated murder of innocents and that accomplished some of what they set out to do, (although they never achieved the mass killings the Weathermen had in mind.) The fact that Obama has associated with Ayers is troubling. This issue won't trouble many because they either weren't alive in the 60's or were too young to have appreciated the threat. Today, the Weathermen, SDS, the Symbionese Liberation Army and others of their ilk from 40 years ago seem to be generally viewed as run-of-the-mill crazies. They didn't at the time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 10/08/2008

Who gives a da** I mean I got real problems here. That means anybody that has socialized with this man meaning students, parents of these students and other collegues of his are "palling around with a Terrorist" So are we to say that also, I mean there are some domestic terrorist that have been running our country also. What about all these companies that are creating domestic financial terrorism on all of us. They are getting richer and going out on junkets and we are getting to the point that we are going to have to open up a line of credit just to buy bread and milk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 10/08/2008

In regards to the Obama-Ayers connection, hundreds of educators who know Ayers personally are speaking out in his defense and in response to the media's use of this "terrorist connection".

-- http://www.supportbillayers.org

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 10/08/2008

Don't forget - it was pollsters that predicted that Dewey would soundly defeat Truman, and that Hillary would be the Democratic nominee!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 10/08/2008

Well, how 'bout McCain's friendship with the domestic terrorist Gordon Libby? We need to talk about that. His ties to Libby are much, much closer than a coincidental association of Obama with Ayers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 AM on 10/08/2008

Trying to link Barack Obama with Ayers is akin to trying to link John McCain to the infamous Teapot Dome scandal in the conservative presidency of Warren G. Harding. Today's problems are 21st century, not something mired in history. We learn from history and try not to repeat mistakes, but we cannot connect dots where none exist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 AM on 10/08/2008

I see your logic. Barrack is friends with a terrorist who bombed goverment buildings. McCain never met a former US president who's secrtary of Interior had a bribery scandal. Don't let facts ruin your argue though, it sounds good so go with it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 AM on 10/08/2008

I would suggest tha Obama present his medical records in their entirety for the past five years and have McCain do the same. A medical panel of board certified experts make a final appraisal of the health and let the voters know if their is a problem with either of the nominees being able to perform at a 24/7 stress level. If Palin has to take over it means that Dick Cheney, her mentor, togerther with Carl Rove, her tutor, will once again be running the White House and the Department of Justice and foreign affairs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 10/08/2008

I should have provided the link to the Zogby poll I mentioned. You can find it at

http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1575

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 10/08/2008

Wow. I just read a comment below that said Ayers was never prosecuted. Not exactly true. The case was thrown out because of prosecutorial misconduct. But Ayers has admitted he was involved in bombings, he just will not say which ones because some of them had resulted in fatalities and there is no statute of limitations on murder. Ayers is still unrepentant. In 2001, he said he wished he had done more bombings.

We now know that in 1995 Ayers won the $50 million matching grant from the Annenberg Foundation to set up the Chicago Annenberg Challenge which hired Obama to give out the $100 million. In 1996, Obama decided to run for office and launched his political career in the home of Bill Ayers, his benefactor. Ayers' is Obama's oldest political supporter. How is that not relevant to this election? What does that say about Obama's judgment? About his love for his country? About his honesty when asked about his relationship to Ayers?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 AM on 10/08/2008

Ok, I give up, how is this at all relevant to this election? Thirty years ago one guy was a radical and participated in acts of violence against his government, which was engaged in a deeply unpopular war. Another guy, who was four at the time, grew up to become a constitutional lawyer, legislator and politician, and among all the people and activities he was involved in, the former radical was one of the group of people involved in activities the lawyer was. They sat on a board together.

So?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 AM on 10/08/2008

Try reading the post you replied to a little better. They did more than sit " on a board" together. Funny how you gloss over everything he just said and go right to your talking point. Open your eyes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 10/08/2008

You really need to get your info from someone other than Dick Morris.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200810070032?f=h_latest

If you are really interested in facts, you aren't going to find them anywhere near Shawn Hannity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 10/08/2008

At this point in time, Ayers is a far more productive member of his community than is Sarah Palin. It's not very Christian to refuse to give any a second chance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 10/08/2008

According to Zogby, McCain is gaining ground and is now down only 2 points. Whether this is because of Palin's strong debate or because of Ayers, I do not know. It is probably a combination of the two. I do not know who won the debate last night but the polls will tell us in about a week.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 10/08/2008

Note: The WEATHER UNDERGROUND NO LONGER EXISTS! Every single one of its former 'members' or supporters has MOVED ON! NO ONE DIED as a result of the misbegotten attempts at bombing. At least no 'innocent Americans'. A few of the Weathermen themselves were blown up when a bomb went off unexpectedly at one of their 'factories.' Some-who 'disappeared' for a long time (and in pretty plain sight too) resurfaced, were tried, convicted, and served prison time. Ayers is among a VERY FEW who resurfaced and went on trial but were acquitted due to some legal technicality or another. Ayers went on to become a PhD. in Education--a DISTINGUISHED SCHOLAR no less. He has a house, a car, a kid--a paycheck. He pays taxes. He supports political candidates. He lives in Chicago. On the South Side. During the time that Ayers was involved with the Weather Underground, Barack Obama was EIGHT YEARS OLD and living in HAWAII and Indonesia.
There you go again, Sarah, talking about Change but bringing up the PAST......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 AM on 10/08/2008

And there are many Chicago Republicans who have worked with Ayers on various projects and are proud of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 10/08/2008

Republicans serve on the same Congress where people think that it is ok to cut off developing life. According to their crazy standards, they serve with pro choice politicians therefore they are guilty of it too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 10/08/2008
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When I was 15, some of my friends shot the windows out of a police car. I was there,
but did no shooting nor rock throwing. Does that mean that I am a bad person?
I am NOT responsible for my stupid friends' actions. Obama is NOT responsible
for his stupid friends' actions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 AM on 10/08/2008

Your friend did more than Bill Ayers ever did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 AM on 10/08/2008

Tell that to the 2 Brinks truck victims that were murdered by the Weather Underground. The funny thing is that people are on this board DEFENDING Bill Ayers. The sad thing is that he represents a view of this country most of you hold. I can't believe the next president of the US has a "friendly" relationship with a terrorist and half the country doesn't seem to care. This country may never recover.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 10/08/2008
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Blaming people for their acquaintances, hmm, let's see where this game leads...
What's the old man's relation with the Keating Five? Oh, that's right, he was ONE OF THEM!!
And how can a woman who's sleeping with someone who was (if not still is...) an ardent Alaska independentist blame Obama for being "unpatriotic"?

Hypocrisy, thy name is GOP...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 10/08/2008
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