Banks asking for credit card debt forgiveness

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BY MARCY GORDON | October 30, 2008 05:31 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — With defaults on credit card debt spiraling amid a global financial downturn, banks already reeling from the mortgage crisis are losing billions more from unpaid credit card bills.

Big banks have formed an unusual alliance with consumer advocates to urge the government to allow huge portions of credit card debt to be forgiven, a turnabout from recent years when the banking industry lobbied strenuously to make it harder for consumers to erase their credit card debts in bankruptcy.

The new pilot program _ which the banks hope will become permanent _ could involve as many as 50,000 people struggling with credit card debt. On an individual basis, the amount of debt to be forgiven would rise according to the severity of the borrower's financial situation, up to a maximum of 40 percent.

"There's obviously a financial benefit to the financial institutions to step up to the plate right now," said Susan Keating, president and chief executive of the National Foundation for Credit Counseling, which has 108 member organizations around the country. "We absolutely support the proposal."

In an increasingly tough economic climate, banks and other mortgage lenders already have been agreeing to modify loans of distressed homeowners to help them avoid foreclosure. Now, banks making credit card loans have reached a point where they can lose less by forgiving part of the debt than seeing the consumer walk away entirely.

Credit cards _ the ubiquitous plastic rectangles that have become an integral part of American life and the economy _ now look to be the latest domino to drop in a financial crisis that started with subprime mortgages and continually takes new twists.

Amid rising job losses, consumers _ even those with strong credit records _ have been defaulting at high levels on their credit cards. Banks already battered by the mortgage and credit crises are bleeding tens of billions in red ink from the losses. The largest credit-card banks each set aside between $1 billion and $3.5 billion in the third quarter for losses on card loans as their profits plummeted.

The biggest credit card lenders include Discover Financial Services LLC, Bank of America Corp., Citigroup Inc., JPMorgan Chase & Co., Capital One Financial Corp., American Express Co. and HSBC Holdings.

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Credit card charge-off rates, balances written off as unpaid, rose to 6.8 percent in August, up 48 percent from a year earlier, according to Moody's Investors Service.

Americans are lumbering under about $900 billion in credit card debt, according to the latest available Federal Reserve figures. People who are in credit counseling, on average, carry seven cards.

Many of the people now having trouble making their credit card payments are in a double or triple whammy: their mortgages or car loans also may be under stress.

And for many, the torrent of envelopes bearing credit card offers at low initial rates _ much like the old "teaser" rates on subprime mortgages _ has recently been replaced by more somber notices of crimped credit lines, hikes in interest rates or even accounts being closed as lenders tighten the reins to reduce their risk.

The new proposal pitched to federal regulators by the Financial Services Roundtable, which represents more than 100 big banks and other financial companies, and the Consumer Federation of America, would allow lenders to reduce by as much as 40 percent the amount of credit card debt owed by deeply indebted consumers in a pilot program.

It recognizes that "there are some critical problems with credit card debt," said Bert Ely, a banking industry consultant based in Alexandria, Va. "We're going to see more of these efforts to try to minimize the situation."

Under the groups' proposal to U.S. Comptroller of the Currency John Dugan, whose Treasury Department agency oversees national banks, a pilot project would allow big credit card companies to sharply reduce the amounts owed by consumers in over their heads who don't qualify for the repayment plans now available.

Nearly all the biggest credit card banks have agreed to such a pilot program in which lenders would forgive as much as 40 percent of the amount consumers owe, allowing them to pay back the remainder over time.

The test program could reach as many as 50,000 borrowers, said Scott Talbott, senior vice president at the Roundtable. Borrowers would have to be in a counseling program for their credit card debt. The amount of debt to be forgiven would be determined case by case, depending on the borrower's financial condition; those receiving close to the maximum forgiveness level would be nearing a personal bankruptcy filing.

And there would be a tax benefit. Borrowers would be able to defer payment of income taxes they owe on the forgiven part of the debt until after the remainder was paid off. The lenders could wait until then to book their loss on the forgiven debt.

"Both parties win," Talbott said.

Current government rules don't allow lenders to offer repayment plans that reduce the amount of principal owed and borrowers to repay the balance over a period of several years. In cases where the principal can be reduced, under credit card settlements, borrowers normally are required to pay off the remainder over months rather than years.

Kevin Mukri, a spokesman for the comptroller's office, had no immediate comment on the new proposal Thursday. Peter Garuccio, a spokesman for the American Bankers Association, also declined to comment.

June Selby, who nearly filed for bankruptcy three years ago when she was buried under nearly $32,000 in school loans, saw both sides but said she didn't like the idea of anyone getting a free ride.

Selby, 60, worked with credit counselors to pay off nearly half the balance and is on track to be debt free by 2011.

"If (the proposal) makes it possible to maintain a sense of integrity and pay back debt without going into bankruptcy, that's one thing," said Selby, a certified nurse in Lawrenceville, Ga.

But she said she was against the idea of a free handout for people who've simply been irresponsible.

"There just has to be some accountability. Nobody is bailing me out. I had to work very hard to keep from bankruptcy and foreclosure," she said.

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AP Business Writer Candice Choi in New York contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — With defaults on credit card debt spiraling amid a global financial downturn, banks already reeling from the mortgage crisis are losing billions more from unpaid credit card bills. ...
WASHINGTON — With defaults on credit card debt spiraling amid a global financial downturn, banks already reeling from the mortgage crisis are losing billions more from unpaid credit card bills. ...
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Here's a suggestion for what the banks can do if they're really interested in settling some of the debt. For each credit card, total the charges and payments that have been made, and where they find that the total payments exceed the total charges, then they can write off the amount still owing, as those would be as a result of fees and interest.

They could start with that.

Then for those cards that have more in charges than payments, they can work out a reasonable payment plan with the card-holders without skewering them with interest and fees.

My speculation is that a fair amount of that debt would have been eliminated and they would stand a better chance of recouping that which is outstanding. Their balance sheets would be appreciative.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 10/31/2008
- NewArtz I'm a Fan of NewArtz 79 fans permalink
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The Banks have increased the consumer's debt in order to create profits for themselves in the payback using future inflation as their reason. Their mandate for interest and fees is cancelled out when the economy is depressed. For them to continue to expect to collect them is of the same mindset as the CEOs who, though they have not earned it, expect their bonuses. Economic law commands they at least cancel the interest. Cancelling the fees is just a sound investment in the economic base of the capitalist system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 10/31/2008
- blood1 I'm a Fan of blood1 12 fans permalink

I am not an economist, not an accountant, do not have a MBA...I am merely a consumer and like many Americans, a responsible consumer who learned early on that "There is no such thing as a FREE LUNCH".

The mortgage meltdown (call it what you want) was caused by so many people and institutions, that you can pick any direction, point and say that was the cause and you could spin that story as accurate.

But now, the US Government is working (behind closed doors) to work out a new scheme to bail out BANKS WITH CREDIT CARD DEBT DEFAULTS....what is wrong with this picture? Well, everything! When does someone / anyone have to take responsibilty of their actions.

I am no longer willing to give everyone a free pass on all of their bad choices, that includes individuals, banks, government. The is the Enough is Enough moment.

What scares me is that with this country poised to pick a new leadership, the American public will be so focused on this election that behind those closed doors the America that we all grew up being so proud of was being SOLD to a very small group of financial "wizards" that do not have any interest in We the American People as a whole.

Tell me that those credit card companies are not looking for a way to make their balance sheets look better and to give their stockholders YOUR money at YOUR PERIL.

Someone...­anyone....­prove me wrong!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 10/31/2008
- KCFreedom I'm a Fan of KCFreedom 18 fans permalink

After that bankruptcy reform act they paid off Congress and the Senate to pass a few years ago?

The irony is obvious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 10/31/2008
- drkazmd65 I'm a Fan of drkazmd65 51 fans permalink
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Irony ususally is obvious KC,... that's what makes it simultaniously funny,... and yet not funny.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 10/31/2008

I suppose it never occurred to them to cut the interest rate. I'm about to walk away from my cards. Before I do I will give them an opportunity to slash the rate. If they refuse they get NOTHING. They cant go after my pay check. I don't have one any more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 AM on 10/31/2008
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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Me too

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 10/31/2008
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These banks are still paying out a dividend and huge bonuses to the hole diggers running the banks.

I have a better idea we bludgeon the board of directors and the CEO's, CFO's, presidents and vice presidents and all of the folks who decided to give people with out the means to make payments
credit cards in the first place. Then we also beat the payday loan industry to a pulp with their shovels.

Before one more dime is given to a bank ,all dividends cease. Bonuses only allowed for the early payoff of the debt paid to the government as kickers after the debt has been settled in full.

Why do we reward the failed policy of bankers????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 AM on 10/31/2008
- rkimball I'm a Fan of rkimball 3 fans permalink

the taxpayers should bail out credit card debt holders or we still pay in higher lending fees. one way or another,the responsible borrower will pay for those less responsible.

the best approach would be to allow debt holders to claim a one time interest tax deduction. this would spread the misery around a little fairer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 AM on 10/31/2008
- jsarets I'm a Fan of jsarets 159 fans permalink

No. Why should the taxpayer bail out credit card debtors if it's in the banks' financial interest to bail them out on their own dime? The banks are turning a big loss into a smaller loss by forgiving unpayable debt. No need for public funding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 AM on 10/31/2008
- arvay I'm a Fan of arvay 140 fans permalink
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This absolutely can't be allowed to turn into a government financing program for the bank's outrageous credit card schemes.

The government should force the banks to eat the losses and massively tighten lending rules. Loans and interest charged need to be strictly controlled by fiat. I often see people charging their groceries on MasterCard. It has to stop.

Te arrogance of these "executives" seems to be limitless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 AM on 10/31/2008

"to help people avoid foreclosure"

ROFLMAO... You mean "allow them to keep the loans on the book for 80% of their value as opposed to having to write them down to 0, which they are now worth"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 AM on 10/31/2008

Banks, sequestered CEO's, burn the midnight oil, trying to figure a way to minipulate, in a strange Halloween witches brew, gullible Americans. Banks have made trillions in interest rates, from John Q public, hog tied to card slavery for thirty years. Now they offer up 50,000 customers, their deal, (on approval of course) 40% reduction. Subcard slime slid into US postal boxs, 10 lbs. a week, for the last 10 yrs. elders had know help, fending off the onslaught. If an investigation was leveled, at mental ability people had when they signed up for this fleecing, the entire nation would be bent backward with disgust. Elders in fights in homes all over America, about husbands or wives, buying via the credit cards at night from catalogs. Its been a crasy run, but thank God its almost over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 AM on 10/31/2008

Odds are that 40% that would be forgiven is FEES and COMPOUNDED INTEREST - not the original debt.

Most credit card debt in default is not theoriginal charges but the INTEREST and FEES. Judges are throwing out the excessive fees and interest when bankruptcies are coming before them. The companies are trying to get MORE than they get in most bankruptcy filings - despite therecent changes in law.

BTW, how is it that interest rates on credit cards has been double digit - even over 20% when credit was at its CHEAPEST?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 AM on 10/31/2008

Exactly. The CC companies squeezed and screwed the consumer, in my case, when one CC raised interest rates from 8 to 21%, the others followed....no questions asked......and the fees started piling up. I was single and managing fine....until they all raised their interest rates based on the one card.....it was maddening. I worked it all out with every card except CITIBANK. They wouldn't give an inch...no, not a millimeter....they were the last card I paid off.......and now they want my TAX DOLLARS to help them?

Sickening!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 AM on 10/31/2008

The answer to this current economic crisis is streamlining: the Fed. should allow people to print their own money ... preferably a new set of notes printed on one side in black and white as a first issue ... once folk have printed the first issue , they can afford to purchase color cartridges and we can revert back to printing a closer facsimile of our current fiat ... this will streamline the Feds current printing operation and the results would essentially be the same ... hyperinflation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 AM on 10/31/2008

This is the most insane thing I have heard of and it just gets worse. So, people like myself who do not abuse the system..... live in poverty so to maintain a clean credit record have to suffer while the banks will knowingly give money to people with hopes to be repaid. Where is the background checks of those receiving credit cards.... This is INSANE.....

If this really happens then our government is spineless and throwing money out the window. If people use charge cards, they must repay...... Am I to go out and get a credit card knowing I can charge anything I want thinking I don't have to repay my creditor or bank? This is INSANE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 AM on 10/31/2008

Yep.. I screamed this months ago on here and got yelled at repeatedly for being so insensitive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 AM on 10/31/2008

Credit cards are unsecured debt. If the customers default and can claim bankruptcy, the credit card company gets zilch. LOAN them money if they need it to survive, but tell them they can sue the individuals as usual, and if the credit card company makes a profit, the govt needs to get paid back first before CEO bonuses or dividends to the shareholders. While some of the delinquent customers will have to file bankruptcy, they will get their "fresh start."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 10/31/2008
- drkazmd65 I'm a Fan of drkazmd65 51 fans permalink
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"The amount of debt to be forgiven would be determined case by case, depending on the borrower's financial condition; those receiving close to the maximum forgiveness level would be nearing a personal bankruptcy filing.",...

OK,... let me get this straight in my mind for just a second again,...

Those of "us" with more credit card debt that we like to carry (poor planning several years ago now), but that are actually LIMPING though paying off the balances, and paying them off on schedule,....

We don't get in on this sort of deal,... SH*T,.... I should have been more irresponsible,... then somebody would have been around to cut me a break,...

Once again,... the responsible take another one up the old poop-shoot,... while the idiots get bailed out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 10/30/2008

ahahhahahaha, they are losing so much from bankruptcies that they have to ask to write off almost half the debt so they can get something.
lol

"has recently been replaced by more somber notices of crimped credit lines, hikes in interest rates or even accounts being closed as lenders tighten the reins to reduce their risk."
Its not Risk that caused them to drop people's credit limits. If you recall the commentary when people spoke about having their limits cut, including small businesses lines of credit, they almost ALL stated that it was a shock because they are fine, pay their bills on time and have decent incomes to pay them.

the real reason is that the credit card issuers were actually having trouble literally paying for the merchandise and services being charged and were afraid of the outstanding available credit out there. Because when the banks began to have trouble on wallstreet and banks slowed their lending to each other, that froze interbank credit which is a major source of funds for general day to day financial services to flow normally.
LoL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 PM on 10/30/2008
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