California Gay Marriage Banned As Proposition 8 Passes

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LOS ANGELES - In an election otherwise full of liberal triumphs, the gay rights movement suffered a stunning defeat as California voters approved a ban on same-sex marriages that overrides a recent court decision legalizing them.

The constitutional amendment -- widely seen as the most momentous of the nation's 153 ballot measures -- will limit marriage to heterosexual couples, the first time such a vote has taken place in a state where gay unions are legal.

Gay-rights activists had a rough election elsewhere as well. Ban-gay-marriage amendments were approved in Arizona and Florida, and Arkansas voters approved a measure banning unmarried couples from serving as adoptive or foster parents. Supporters made clear that gays and lesbians were their main target.

In California, with 95 percent of precincts reporting Wednesday, the ban had 5,125,752 votes, or 52 percent, while there were 4,725,313 votes, or 48 percent, opposed.

Similar bans had prevailed in 27 states before Tuesday's elections, but none were in California's situation -- with about 18,000 gay couples married since a state Supreme Court ruling in May. The state attorney general, Jerry Brown, has said those marriages will remain valid, although legal challenges are possible.

Spending for and against the amendment reached $74 million, making it the most expensive social-issues campaign in U.S. history and the most expensive campaign this year outside the race for the White House.

Elsewhere, voters in Colorado and South Dakota rejected measures that could have led to sweeping bans of abortion, and Washington became only the second state -- after Oregon -- to offer terminally ill people the option of physician-assisted suicide.

A first-of-its-kind measure in Colorado, which was defeated soundly, would have defined life as beginning at conception. Its opponents said the proposal could lead to the outlawing of some types of birth control as well as abortion.

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The South Dakota measure would have banned abortions except in cases of rape, incest and serious health threat to the mother. A tougher version, without the rape and incest exceptions, lost in 2006. Anti-abortion activists thought the modifications would win approval, but the margin of defeat was similar, about 55 percent to 45 percent of the vote.

"The lesson here is that Americans, in states across the country, clearly support women's ability to access abortion care without government interference," said Vicki Saporta, president of the National Abortion Federation.

In Washington, voters gave solid approval to an initiative modeled after Oregon's "Death with Dignity" law, which allows a terminally ill person to be prescribed lethal medication they can administer to themselves. Since Oregon's law took effect in 1997, more than 340 people -- mostly ailing with cancer -- have used it to end their lives.

The marijuana reform movement won two prized victories, with Massachusetts voters decriminalizing possession of small amounts of the drug and Michigan joining 12 other states in allowing use of pot for medical purposes.

Henceforth, people caught in Massachusetts with an ounce or less of pot will no longer face criminal penalties. Instead, they'll forfeit the marijuana and pay a $100 civil fine.

The Michigan measure will allow severely ill patients to register with the state and legally buy, grow and use small amounts of marijuana to relieve pain, nausea, appetite loss and other symptoms.

Nebraska voters, meanwhile, approved a ban on race- and gender-based affirmative action, similar to measures previously approved in California, Michigan and Washington. Returns in Colorado on a similar measure were too close to call.

Ward Connerly, the California activist-businessman who has led the crusade against affirmative action, said Obama's victory proved his point. "We have overcome the scourge of race," Connerly said.

Energy measures met a mixed fate. In Missouri, voters approved a measure requiring the state's three investor-owned electric utilities to get 15 percent of their electricity from renewable sources by 2021. But California voters defeated an even more ambitious measure that would have required the state's utilities to generate half their electricity from windmills, solar systems, geothermal reserves and other renewable sources by 2025.

Two animal-welfare measures passed -- a ban on dog racing in Massachusetts, and a proposition in California that outlaws cramped cages for egg-laying chickens.

Amid deep economic uncertainty, proposals to cut state income taxes were defeated decisively in North Dakota and Massachusetts.

In San Francisco, an eye-catching local measure -- to bar arrests for prostitution -- was soundly rejected. Police and political leaders said it would hamper the fight against sex trafficking. And in San Diego, voters decided to make permanent a ban on alcohol consumption on city beaches.


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LOS ANGELES - In an election otherwise full of liberal triumphs, the gay rights movement suffered a stunning defeat as California voters approved a ban on same-sex marriages that overrides a recent co...
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this is an embarrassment!
i am utterly humiliated to call myself an American with this legislation passed!
I am a heterosexual and i one day hope to get married...
if two women get married or if two men get married THIS WILL IN NO WAY AFFECT MY MARRIAGE
i can only hope that those homosexual women and men find someone to love and spend the rest of their life with and marry.
it is no one's business who one marries! this is the stupidest discrepancy! you can compare this to banning a white man from marrying a black woman... its ridiculous to even think about!
JUST LET PEOPLE BE HAPPY!

it is in our first amendment right that all of us are guaranteed equality, why does this make homosexuals any different?

my best friend is gay, i will speak out until I can attend his wedding to another man in America
(without it being overridden!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 11/18/2008

As I said in earlier posts, the best defense is offense. I say we join the Zoophi-Right Revolution, or the Beastiality-Rights Revolution whatever it's called and get the whole freaky right worried about other people for a change!

If you don't know what I'm talking about watch COMING SOON for free at http://www.comingsoon.cz.

Another great documentary is THE SECRET LIFE OF PLANTS featuring an incredible soundtrack by Stevie Wonder,

You can see it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiFapKB59Ow

All of these works demonstrate the Equality and Unity in All of nature, which is the antithesis of the Bible's view, where Humans are at the top of the physical hierarchy.

I say EQUALITY FOR ALL ;-)))

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 11/17/2008

I have been hearing stories of the GAY KK out in force using the N-WORD at other GAY blacks because of the African American vote on Prop 8. I am AA and i voted against the ban but most of my friends voted yes. Gays have to realize that you can't compare the Civil rights movement to the Gay movement and they have to reach out to the Black and Latino communities to try and build a bridge of understanding. until then Blacks and Latinos we continue to vote against gay marriage.

But for the record this African American has no problem with it. I have a younger sister, cousin and uncle that i love dearly and would in no way want them to be un happy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 11/11/2008
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There's no excuse for them to be voting against gay marriage. I don't care what color they are. It's wrong to be calling people the N word but you can't deny the statistics that are there. I'm sick of people saying "Well it's okay that the blacks and latinos voted against it because they weren't informed." Shouldn't they be making themselves informed?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 11/11/2008
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I'm a black male yes voter on Prop 8; and my internal moral compass on this was guided more by expediency than any Biblical interpretation or church dogma.

I have three young sons and I want to decide when and how we introduce marriage and sexuality.

Why is there a 1st grade field trip to a lesbian wedding ceremony if not to reach kiddie hearts and minds with the validity of gay marriage as a lifestyle option? I'm PRO-CHOICE on Abortion and GAY MARRIAGE if they choose to marry.

I believe both are against GOD; but that the right to do it should be protected and the decision should be a private one. It shouldn't be something my son is presented as a viable family unit. And I shouldn't have to compete with gay activist teachers for my son's ear in his formative years to instill our family's values. Then that's reverse tolerance and who is the victim.

No drama, no dogma, just that my faith and believes, regardless of the source, is in conflict with someone else's behavior.

Now will gays be okay with just the right to marry and my Christian love and acceptance? Or do they want/need something more that I can't and won't give? If you insist on the right to promote homosexuality as the full equivalent of heterosexuality in public schools; then you'll have to keep calling me a bigot; but you can't call me uniformed because I know what's going on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 11/12/2008

This whole thing came as a huge shock to me, still trying to understand it. On the other hand, we now have a way to identify homophobes with about 70% accuracy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 11/12/2008
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The country is in an economic meltdown. I would think that any business involved in the wedding business should be supporting gay marriage. Florests, caterers, wedding planners, hotels, banquet halls, etc. should all be supporting gay marriage. The economic impact on wedding related businesses would be huge. Heck, even divorce lawyers should be in favor of gay marriage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 11/10/2008
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If California had been papered with this before November 4th, Prop 8 would never have passed.

http://www.freedomtomarry.org/pdfs/mildred_loving-statement.pdf

Mildred Loving's full statement about freedom to marry. Everyone should read it. If you don't cry when you read it, you're not a human being. Please use your favorite social sites to buzz it up.

There is only one cure for ignorance - and that's education.

http://www.freedomtomarry.org/pdfs/mildred_loving-statement.pdf

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 11/10/2008
- MoeB I'm a Fan of MoeB 48 fans permalink

For everyone posting here, expressing anger at blacks and latinos, let me say this:

The issue here is RELIGION, not race. It is my opinion that blacks/latinos don't hate gay marriage anymore than anyone else. Many blacks, specifically, tend to vote the way their church leans, since it is often where they get (ironically) political positions from (this also dates way back).

But what many gays aren't willing to do, is accept that they haven't TRIED very hard to reach out to the latino/black community for understanding. Part of the success of civil rights movement was that many people took the fight outside of their communities. Gays also have to do this...and realize how long it took blacks to achieve equal rights in this country, meaning it won't happen overnight. If you've been bigoted towards gays all your life, it's hard to just shuck it off because gays are protesting.

Outreach is key.
Blaming blacks is not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 11/10/2008
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I agree with you about the religion thing. But the fact of the matter is that blacks and latinos did vote against it more than other groups of people.

I don't care what color they are. If they voted against it, it's wrong and I'm sick of hearing these things about how the white gays don't care about the black gays. I think that's BS and I don't like it being made into a black vs white thing.

I don't blame any group but this isn't the fault of white gays anymore than it is the fault of blacks or latinos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 11/11/2008
- FJRinLA I'm a Fan of FJRinLA 2 fans permalink

There's no fault or blame at all to go around.

There's just an explanation; and it isn't about fear or bigotry or being uninformed as far as...it's about strongly held beliefs on both sides that name-calling isn't going to change. Nothing is probably going to change them; so we should try to figure out how to live together, find an accomodation and agree to disagree civilly.

As funny as Bill Maher is, even he acknowledges that his premise is that he doesn't know who's right on the question of religion. And you can't expect Black people to turn their back on Jesus and the Bible, both of which are believed to have seen us through 400 years of hell in this country.

Rather, you'd be better advise to keep good relations with the Black Church, because Rev Wright notwithstanding, we may yet be called upon again to save an issue from the Christian Right with the moral authority of our cause like we did for the Clinton Presidency after the former President's behavior trampled on the tenets of all three leading religions. Keep in mind that homosexuality exists everyday in conflict with the teachings of Judaism, Islam, and Christianity; and the lifestyle is always significantly protected here by the public tolerance of the Christian Left and the Black Church.

The compromise is full gay marriage equality with prohibitions against teaching it in public schools until mandated (it should be) sex education in high school.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 11/12/2008

According to the office of the California Secretary of State, some 2-3 million California absentee and provisional ballots have yet to be counted and counting won't be finished until Dec. 15th. This means Prop 8 has not officially been called yet. It may still lose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 11/09/2008

It's sickening that fellow Blacks in California voted 70% in favor of Prop 8. Despite many of us having already received our not-so-subtle "voting instructions" on this issue in church the Sunday morning before the election, you could have figured that in the very state which was the first to strike-down anti-miscegenation laws, more Blacks would have known better than to inflict comparable discriminatory laws upon another minority group. Black credibility and moral high-ground in the civil rights arena is shot when you get caught doing-unto-others that which you fought against when it was applied to you.

Dr. King and Coretta would be disgusted by the hypocrisy shown in this election! Both would be strongly in-favor of gay rights in general. Bayard Rustin, one of Dr. King's closest advisers (who was openly-gay), organized the March on Washington and steered a young MLK towards the Gandhi-like non-violent method. The Kings would have definitely voted NO on Prop 8 and it is beyond frustrating and ironic when I hear that Proposition 8 received such Black support because that is a resentment towards Gays trying to stealing some of their civil-rights "thunder". Yet, to some of the major founders of the Black civil rights movement: Coretta Scott-King, Andrew Young, Julian Bond, Bayard Rustin, etc., Gay rights were indeed a civil rights issue! King's philosophy was that equality was not genuine unless it was universal, not "à la carte"...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 AM on 11/09/2008
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The challenge is the GLBT community views the issue from a civil rights perspective, while the African American community views it from a "religion" perspective. African Americans are largely Christians. So, their Christian beliefs probably determined their vote. For this reason, I think the "same opression" arguement is fruitless. The key is to get African Americans to view gay marriage as strictly a civil rights issue, without regard for their religious beliefs. How? I'm not sure.

However, the suggested relationship between Obama's election and Prop 8 is hamstringed by the civil rights issue. Any relationship between the two would require African Americans to have voted for Obama as a civil rights issue ("because he's Black"). African Americans were fighting against this perception throughout the election. So, to discuss Prop 8 and Obama's election in terms of a civil rights issue would require African Americans to say they were voting for Obama because he's Black. This puts African Americans between a rock and a hard place.



Patricia Smith



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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 11/08/2008

After my exuberance of the election results subsided, the truth about why the same sex marriage ban passed in California became clear. African Americans and Latinos went to the polls and overwhelmingly voted for the ban. As they celebrated their freedom and exercised their civil rights to elect the 1st African American President, they systematically denied the same to a group of people not like themselves. Mormon’s encouraged by Church of Latter-day Saints leaders, joined in the fun.

As someone taught “We don’t discriminate” I found this paradoxical affront to another minority group not only shocking, but duplicitous. Citing religion as their justification, they began to march out the parade of reverends, pastors and priests to rationalize the bigotry. It was but a few decades past the old Southern bible thumpers used religion to validate racial and ethnic discrimination.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 11/08/2008
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This fight needs to be taken to the CA and FL Attny Generals office and to the IRS. The LDS Church and numerous others, in both states, need to be invesitgated for illegal election activity. They receive tax exempt status THAT THEY ARE NO LONGER ENTITLED TO, AND SHOULD BE TAKEN AWAY. Hit them where it hurts - in their bank accounts.

America is facing a financial crisis not seen since the great depression and revenue needs to be increased. Do it where it will not effect the average citizen - take it from the church. Those who have crossed the line and broke the law. The LDS have admitted in public their involvement in the "hate 8" campaign.
PROTEST AND MAKE THE GOVERNMENT MAKE THEM PAY!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 11/08/2008
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Gays aren't a race. This is one of the fundemental things that Californians that are surprised by Prop 8 need to come to realize. Injecting your sexual orientation into a religious doctrine is demeaning. Oh and if you didn't know by now Blacks are very Christian conservative, but this should be no surprise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 AM on 11/08/2008

I am upset about this erroneous finger pointing at African-Americans regarding Proposition 8. Why are you so quick to believe whatever you hear? If someone told me 70 percent of gay people voted against Obama my first thought would be, excuse me Jesus, that is crap! I don't believe it! This political year was fraught with right wing lies. Bear that in mind.

"Religious organizations that support Proposition 8 include the Roman Catholic Church], Knights of Columbus, Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) a group of Evangelical Christians led by Jim Garlow and Miles McPherson, American Family Association, Focus on the Family[and the National Organization for Marriage Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, California's largest, has also endorsed the measure. The Bishops of the California Catholic Conference released a statement supporting the proposition.

This is your real enemy. African-Americans are less than 7% of the state population. And they do not have the money to fund a tens of millions of dollars Proposition 8 campaign. Note that they also targeted affirmative action for eradication in another state.

Never trust exits polls. I have never seen anyone. at a polling place asking anyone anything when they left.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 AM on 11/08/2008
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So you are saying the African American community doesn't have a problem with gay marriage??? There is plenty of blame to go around but the blacks aren't innocent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 11/11/2008

What's so sad about this story is that according to exit polls 7/10 African Americans voted for Proposition 8 that only is just unbelievable. I have Caribbean roots and I can't for the life of me understand why black folk in California would choose to openly discriminate against our gay brothers and sisters. It makes the historic events on Tuesday seem hallow. It's sad but the rampant homophobia that runs within the African-American community needs to be addressed. How can a black man stand up and claim that Tuesday was a historic event for civil rights when in turn he may have voted against the civil rights of other Americans. Despicable!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 11/07/2008
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I'm hearing from people that said they voted wrong because they were confused by the wording. I admit it was confusing how it was worded and it should have been simple and clear. You don't vote yes to eliminate and No to give, it's the other way around. You should vote yes to allow for gay marriage and No to not allow. Some people accidently voted yes thinking they were voting for gay marriage when they actually voted against it. I think it was worded this way on purpose because the religious fanatics know that Californian's are better than this. However, I take solace in knowing that it will be overturned in the courts. The rights of a minority cannot be determined by a simple majority. That is why we have laws and courts and that other document, what is it called, oh yeah--The Constitution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 11/06/2008

The ban on gay marriage is now a part of oh yeah--- The Constitution. Let see what the courts say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 AM on 11/07/2008

1) The New York Supreme Court ruled that marriage issues should be left to the people so clearly there is legal precedent for California's action.

2) The California Supreme court decision was a one vote majority so clearly the legal issues are not overwhelming (not to mention that there is possibly one or even two California supreme court justices that are homosexual).

3) What is misleading is when pro-homosexuals imply that they are losing all the rights of marriage when in fact domestic partnerships provide virtually the same rights.

4) Marriage is not a right..... if it was then blood brothers and sisters would be allowed to marry, but obviously they can't.

5) I think it is reasonable to assume that many of the voters voted "yes" on the simple notion that they didn't care to have the courts shove an alternate morality down their throats (There was a very effective add that ran in California showing SF mayor Newsom saying "It's here, like it or not").

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 11/07/2008
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About that "alternative morality:"

http://www.guerrillascholar.com/cogito/?p=78

BTW, have you watched the documentary BECAUSE THE BIBLE TELLS ME SO?

Most illuminating on the subject matter, including the *science* behind sexual orientation.

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 11/07/2008

Zetacplus, please be careful less your emotions get the best of you and your comments become ammunition for those you oppose. You stated: "I think it was worded this way on purpose because the religious fanatics know that Californian's are better than this." The language was changed by Jerry Brown and the wording was opposed by those in favor of 8! Must everything be a right wing conspiracy? What about the African-Americans who overwhelmingly voted for the measure? How do you categorize them? Or maybe you want to intimate that was included in the plan? . . . Knowing that AAs would come out in large number, this was a tactic to DUPE them in voting for something they actually wanted to vote against??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 11/07/2008
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It's the religious right wing that pushes all of this crap and you know it. Religion has no place in my government and I'm damn sick of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 11/11/2008
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