Election Poll Review: Who Got It Right?

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November 5, 2008 01:47 PM


Forget the circular firing squad among Republicans, now is the time for pollsters and analysts to take a look and figure out who got the statistics game right.

After thousands of surveys, dozens of methodological arguments and a pile of actual, you know, votes to look at, one thing seems clear: most of the pollsters had the election mostly right. (See below for a best/worst breakdown.)That doesn't mean that some of the principal controversies in polling -- sampling of cell phone users, for example -- have been sorted out.

First, on the analyst tip, Nate Silver of fivethirtyeight.com was the big winner. His final projection for Barack Obama's electoral haul, at 349, stood accurate as of Wednesday morning (though North Carolina could yet add to Obama's total). On the popular vote split, Silver was also right on with his prediction of a 52.3-46.3 advantage for Obama.

As for polling firms, the respected Pew firm was right there with Silver, showing a 52-46 national vote breakdown in its final survey. (Though it's important to note that pollsters, unlike analysts, see their principal role as trying to reflect the electorate ahead of election day, as opposed to making predictions.) Rasmussen can also take a bow for getting the national numbers right.

Overall, pollster Anna Greenberg said she was impressed by the extent to which many polling firms were on the money. "I almost wish it wasn't the case, because it would have been more fun," she said. Given the controversies over "likely voter" predictions, how to weight for an expected large African American turnout, and whether cell-phone only users were under-sampled in surveys, however, Greenberg said "pollsters seem to have accurately captured the electorate."

Brent McGoldrick, a pollster who worked on the Hotline/Diageo tracking poll, agreed. "What you're really talking about with questions of the Bradley effect, or cell phones or likely voters, is the composition of electorate. And most polls just got it right. If you looked at the internals of age groups or Hispanics, you see we're even closer to rights. And that's the fundamental question."

Hotline/Diageo played it somewhat safer than other firms by not attempting to project the likely movement of its undecided voters at the end of its tracking poll. The firm showed a 50-45 Obama lead, which seems accurate enough, though it failed to grapple with the break among late-deciding voters. The last NBC-Wall Street Journal poll gave a similar result, 51-43. Meanwhile, the final ABC-Washington Post survey overestimated Obama's level of support slightly, pegging his vote share at 53 percent with some undecideds still to weigh in.

Gallup's much-cited tracking poll was a touch off the mark, by contrast, when it estimated a 55-44 Obama victory in the popular vote on Nov. 3. John Zogby, whose results were a bit volatile last weekend, wound up overestimating Obama's support, too, when he showed a 54-43 lead for the Democrat in his final tracking poll. Other polls that came "close but not quite" in terms of pegging the national vote split included DailyKos/Research2000 and Marist.

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Beyond the national vote, pollsters also staked their credibility on the results in battleground states. The results were mixed. Rasmussen predicted Florida and Indiana would go to McCain; neither did. Should North Carolina fall for Obama, that would be the firm's third swing state error.

Zogby fared better on swing states -- correctly projecting nearly all states that were settled on election night (if you forgive his tie in Missouri, which McCain narrowly carried).

"We did well," Zogby told the Huffington Post on Wednesday morning. "We did the right thing weighting for party identification. We did the right thing enhancing the sample for African Americans, Latinos and young people. In the final push, we were off maybe two points on Obama ... and two and half points on McCain. But I do not have a rope in my hand. I am pretty happy."

As for controversies surrounding the growing number of young voters who only use cell phones -- and are thus not reachable on the landlines pollsters depend on to survey voters -- Zogby isn't much concerned, at least for the near future. "We did our own tests, and we knew there was no difference, this year, between cell-phone only young people and landline-accessible young people." In the future, Zogby said "we're going to be more aggressive with interactive, online polling," but for now the state of the profession is secure.

Diageo's McGoldrick agreed, saying: "Every four years we ask the same questions, and there seems to be a temporary resolution before it starts all over again. ... But for the most part we got it right [this year]."

Quinnipiac's latest swing state surveys were also on point: projecting leads for Obama in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida. The Ohio Poll also had a bead on its own backyard, predicting an Obama victory.

Overall, as Emory University political science professor Alan Abramowitz often reminded the Huffington Post during the campaign, the polls showed a stable, small lead for Obama for most of the summer and fall, a fact Gallup touched upon in its own post-mortem Wednesday morning. And in the end, that stable, six-point lead in the polls proved an accurate reflection of the electorate.

But, as Greenberg notes, that doesn't mean polling won't undergo more professional turbulence the next time the electorate changes greatly. Noting that young voters didn't turn out in proportionally greater numbers than in 2006 or 2004 (though their preference for Obama was large), she cautioned that the next election will open up some of the same sampling questions. But for now, it appears, most pollsters can give themselves a cautious pat on the back.

BEST AND WORST LAST-MINUTE POLLS:

National:

Best: PEW and Rasmussen, noted above

Worst: Reuters/CSPAN/Zogby, 11/3: Obama 54/McCain 43

Florida:

Best: Public Policy Polling, 11/2: Obama 50/McCain 48

Worst: Fox-Rassumussen, 11/2: McCain 50/Obama 49

Ohio:

Best: CNN/TIME, 10/28: Obama 51/McCain 47

Worst: Strategic Vision, 11/2: McCain 48/Obama 46

Virginia:

Best: Fox-Rasmussen, 11/2: Obama 51/McCain 47

Worst: CNN/TIME, 10/28: Obama 53/McCain 44

Missouri:

Best: Zogby, Rasmussen and others had this race accurately tied at 49/49.

Worst: Politico/InsiderAdvantage, 10/29: McCain 50/Obama 47

Colorado:

Best: American Research Group, 10/30: Obama 52/McCain 45

Worst: YouGov/Polimetrix, 11/1: Obama 55/McCain 40

Forget the circular firing squad among Republicans, now is the time for pollsters and analysts to take a look and figure out who got the statistics game right. After thousands of surveys, dozens of m...
Forget the circular firing squad among Republicans, now is the time for pollsters and analysts to take a look and figure out who got the statistics game right. After thousands of surveys, dozens of m...
 
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If North Carolina is called for Obama, Princeton Election Consortium hit it on the nose: http://election.princeton.edu/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 11/05/2008

So, is anyone taking a look at the exit poll data this time? Just curious if there are any bizarre discrepancies all in one direction and only in battleground states like there were in 2004. And if not, why not? Have the pollsters made any significant changes in their method of exit polling this year?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 11/05/2008

Nate Silver's fivethirtyeight.com was like a daily pep talk for me. His analysis is well done and very easy to follow, even for statistics-phobes like myself. His campaign trail coverage was top notch, as well, and gave it's readers a glimpse into Obama's massive ground assault. It will be interesting to see what Nate does after the elections.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 PM on 11/05/2008

I agree. It was my first stop every morning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 11/05/2008

I started logging on to Nate at 538 in the Primary's and slowly began to trust more and more. Watched the traffic pick up but sometimes stayed up half the night reading comments, commenting. Along with Huff Po it was a life line. Despite all that trust I was a nervous wreck last night, still cry at the drop of a hat, and will trust Nate far more in days to come! OKAY NATE !! love ya

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 11/05/2008
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My hero, Nate Silver. You kept my sanity throughout this campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 11/05/2008

Nate. Another example of someone that leveraged skills not normally lauded and affect people world wide. You made the campaign easier to stomach when things seemed to be going wrong. Well done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 11/05/2008

Thanks Nate. You are a winner in my eyes. I liked you on Countdown. Thanks

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 11/05/2008

Nate Silver for head of Obama's White House Office of Public Liaison, where he would coordinate a comprehensive effort to monitor public opinion and inform political strategy. The Obama Administration is likely to be the most pervasively technocratic and data-driven political organization in American history, and nobody embodies this deep expertise in statistical modeling quite like Nate. Karl Rove has met his match.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 11/05/2008

I'd also like to add pollster.com in here, too. They did an excellent job aggregating the various polls and were right on the money - notably for Florida, Ohio and Virginia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 11/05/2008

Pollster.com either saved my sanity and familial relations in recent weeks, or completely enabled and addicted me as I became a five fix a day poll junkie.

Verdict's still out, but ten days and a couple weekend follow ups and I should be clean and clear. Thanks Pollster, I think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 11/05/2008

Thank God for 538! Any time I was feeling like I was losing my mind I would click on it and be reassured. I know the maintenance on this site took a lot of time and effort and I want to say thanks to those responsible. I really enjoyed the "On The Road" pieces to see what was going on around the country. You guys are awesome!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 11/05/2008

Yes. It wasn't just Nate, the whole site was and is great.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 11/05/2008

I think Nate Silver of FiveThirtyEight.com did an excellent job of covering and predicting the out come of the election. However, the winner on the prediction front is Intrade Predictions Market. Intrade not only got it right, but they got it right down to the last Electoral College vote. Their final map had it 364 Obama to 173 McCain. They had it correct at the state level with the exception of Indiana and Missouri.
They had Indiana for McCain and Missouri for Obama. These states flipped, but they have identical electoral votes and the total will stand at 364 to 173 when North Carolina goes for Obama. I am a little surprised that Intrade was not included in your article. Intrade had it exactly right in the 2004 election with regard to the winner, the state by state victories and the final electoral vote count.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 11/05/2008
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I sought solace in Nate's fivethirtyeight.

As early as October 11, he had Obama at 349.4 EV, and a 90.9 win percentage....
I prayed he was right...but must admit, there were moments of doubt....but it never outweighed the calm it brought.

At 8:46 on election night, on the east coast, Nate's post rendered me cool as a clam....

"Obama to Become Next President"
-- Nate Silver at 8:46 PM (EST)

I will never doubt Nate or fivethirtyeight again.....and I am happy I don't have to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 11/05/2008
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PPP (D) Public Policy Polling PREDICT North Carolina, Florida, Ohio and Indiana RIGHT on The MONEY!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 11/05/2008
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Nate kept it real.

Thanks to him for the hard work, sustained concentration and absence of BS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 11/05/2008

Latest numbers I've seen have Obama with 53%, it's not surprising that it has gone up as the West Coast states finished their counts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 11/05/2008

Absolutely. Oregon and Washington each have less than 60% counted.

I'm happy that Obama's margin is likely to increase, although this will mean that 538 wasn't quite as accurate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 11/05/2008
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