Obama Plans Guantanamo Close, US Trials

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MATT APUZZO and LARA JAKES JORDAN | November 10, 2008 10:45 PM EST | AP

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In this June 6, 2008 file photo, reviewed by the U.S. Military, a guard stands at a gate at the Camp Delta detention compound, which has housed foreign prisoners since 2002, at Guantanamo Bay U.S. Naval Base in Cuba. (AP Photo/Brennan Linsley, File)

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WASHINGTON — President-elect Obama's advisers are crafting plans to close the Guantanamo Bay prison and prosecute terrorism suspects in the U.S., a plan the Bush administration said Monday was easier said than done. Under the plan being crafted inside Obama's camp, some detainees would be released and others would be charged in U.S. courts, where they would receive constitutional rights and open trials.

But, underscoring the difficult decisions Obama must make to fulfill his pledge of shutting down Guantanamo, the plan could require the creation of a new legal system to handle the classified information inherent in some of the most sensitive cases.

Many of the about 250 Guantanamo detainees are cleared for release, but the Bush administration has not able been to find a country willing to take them.

Advisers participating directly in the planning spoke on condition of anonymity because the plans aren't final.

The plan being developed by Obama's team has been championed by legal scholars from both political parties. But as details surfaced Monday, it drew criticism from Democrats who oppose creating a new legal system and from Republicans who oppose bringing terrorism suspects to the U.S. mainland.

Obama foreign policy adviser Denis McDonough said the president-elect wants Guantanamo closed, but no decision has been made "about how and where to try the detainees, and there is no process in place to make that decision until his national security and legal teams are assembled."

Obama seeks a break from the Bush administration, which established military tribunals to prosecute detainees at the Navy base in Cuba and strongly opposes bringing prisoners to the United States. At the White House, spokeswoman Dana Perino said Monday that President Bush has faced many challenges in trying to close the prison.

"We've tried very hard to explain to people how complicated it is. When you pick up people off the battlefield that have a terrorist background, it's not just so easy to let them go," Perino said. "These issues are complicated, and we have put forward a process that we think would work in order to put them on trial through military tribunals."

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But Obama has been critical of that process and his legal advisers said finding an alternative will be a top priority. One of those advisers, Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe, acknowledges that bringing detainees to the U.S. would be controversial but said it could be accomplished.

"I think the answer is going to be, they can be as securely guarded on U.S. soil as anywhere else," Tribe said. "We can't put people in a dungeon forever without processing whether they deserve to be there."

The tougher challenge will be allaying fears by Democrats who believe the Bush administration's military commissions were a farce and dislike the idea of giving detainees anything less than the full constitutional rights normally enjoyed by everyone on U.S. soil.

"I think that creating a new alternative court system in response to the abject failure of Guantanamo would be a profound mistake," Jonathan Hafetz, an American Civil Liberties Union attorney who represents detainees, said Monday. "We do not need a new court system. The last eight years are a testament to the problems of trying to create new systems."

Senate Judiciary Committee member John Cornyn, R-Texas, said it would be a "colossal mistake to treat terrorism as a mere crime."

"It would be a stunning disappointment if the one of the new administration's first priorities is to give foreign terror suspects captured on the battlefield the same legal rights and protections as American citizens accused of crimes," Cornyn said Monday, noting that the Senate overwhelmingly passed a nonbinding Senate bill last year opposing bringing detainees to the U.S.

Obama did not vote on that measure. He has said the civilian and military court-martial systems provide "a framework for dealing with the terrorists," and Tribe said the administration would look to those venues before creating a new legal system. But discussions of what a new system would look like have already started.

An Obama administration will want to avoid the criticisms that have marked the Bush administration's military commissions. Human rights groups and defense attorneys have condemned the commissions for lax evidence rules and intense secrecy. Some military prosecutors have even quit in protest.

"It would have to be some sort of hybrid that involves military commissions that actually administer justice rather than just serve as kangaroo courts," Tribe said. "It will have to both be and appear to be fundamentally fair in light of the circumstances. I think people are going to give an Obama administration the benefit of the doubt in that regard."

Some weren't so sure.

"There would be concern about establishing a completely new system," said Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., a member of the House Judiciary Committee and former federal prosecutor who is aware of the discussions in the Obama camp. "And in the sense that establishing a regimen of detention that includes American citizens and foreign nationals that takes place on U.S. soil and departs from the criminal justice system _ trying to establish that would be very difficult."

Though a hybrid court may be unpopular, other advisers and Democrats involved in the Guantanamo Bay discussions say Obama has few options.

Prosecuting all detainees in federal courts raises many problems. Evidence gathered through military interrogation or from intelligence sources might be thrown out. Defendants would have the right to confront witnesses, meaning undercover CIA officers or terrorist turncoats might have to take the stand, jeopardizing their cover and revealing classified intelligence tactics.

That means something different would need to be done if detainees couldn't be released or prosecuted in traditional courts. Exactly what remains unclear.

"I don't think we need to completely reinvent the wheel, but we need a better tribunal process that is more transparent," Schiff said.

According to three advisers participating in the process, Obama is expected to propose a new court system and may appoint a committee to decide how such a court would operate. Some detainees likely would be returned to the countries where they were first captured for further detention or rehabilitation. The rest could probably be prosecuted in U.S. criminal courts, one adviser said. All spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the ongoing talks, which have been private.

One challenge will be figuring out what to do with the 90 or so Yemeni detainees _ the largest group in the prison. The Bush administration has sought to negotiate the release of some of those detainees as part of a rehabilitation plan with the Yemeni government. But talks have so far been fruitless.

Waleed Alshahari, who has been following Guantanamo issues for the Yemeni Embassy in Washington, said the plan being discussed by the Obama team was an improvement over the current system. But he said he expects most detainees to be released rather than stand trial.

"If the U.S. government has any evidence against them, they would try them and put them in jail," Alshahari said. "But it has been obvious they have nothing against them. That is why they have not faced trial."

Whatever Obama decides, he should move quickly, Tribe said.

"In reality and symbolically, the idea that we have people in legal black holes is an extremely serious black mark," Tribe said. "It has to be dealt with."

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Close Gitmo but open the site to the public. That will be W's legacy. In fact, why not put the George W. Bush Presidential Library there? A hologram of Bush could forever be telling visitors "You have no right to Habius Corpus. It's all here in black and white and the blood of our soldiers." Only one word can describe the Bush administration: Criminal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 11/13/2008

Hey, it beats a cave in Afghanistan any day. Hot and cold running water, inside plumbing, showers and A/C, free medical care and lots of ethnic food. They probably have their reservations booked months in advance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 AM on 11/11/2008

This is great....you make a good point!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 11/11/2008

If you think our prisons are terrible, think again. Yes they have running water, 3 hot meals a day, activities, a canteen where you can buy any food, snacks, drinks, or what ever you want if you have money deposited in your prison account. Make no mistake money is not hard to get. You do a favor for a guard and he has someone put into an account for you or if you have contact with a family member, they can get it posted to an account for you.

I don't want them in my country, living next door to me. If found guilty, I don't want to support them with my taxes, I want them excuted and not waiting for years to do so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 AM on 11/12/2008

America's credibility is ruined. Guantanamo, torture, missing persons rotting away in some CIA secret prison. The Bush administration has downgraded the USA to the level of some lousy, rogue banana republic kind of state. The world has witnessed this and is of course eager to find out, how soon Obama can fix the worst damage. To whine about the question where the Guantanamo prisoners should go is pathetic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 AM on 11/11/2008

OMG...secret CIA prisons...?? Put down the fiction book you are reading and join the real world...ha

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 11/11/2008

America's credibility is ruined? According to who (m)? The libs? The WORLD?? If it is the libs, I understand this, the libs never miss a chance in putting America down, and if it is the WORLD, then maybe next time some other country NEEDS us for HELP with their natural disasters or famine, they will not turn to us for MORE because our cedibility is ruined...sounds fine to me...

To conservatives, America's credibility is just fine....but then again, conservatives are proud of this country, even with all of our flaws, we are still the best and most generous country in the world...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 11/11/2008

Actually I'd take your liberal/conservative view and throw it out the window...I know plenty of conservatives as well who think this country is viewed negatively in the world and in fact there's plenty of polls to back this up, just google: "global poll american" and I'm sure you can find plenty of evidence. Yes, we as a country do good things in the world (i.e. humanitarian aid) but we also invade countries without precedent(Iraq), carry out military operations with no regards to international borders (Syria), torture and imprison suspected terrorists w/o a fair trail (Guantanamo) and there ARE several secret CIA prisons around Europe where people will probably die w/o getting a fair say. I'm sure our world standing was a lot better before Bush ever took office (and wasn't he the flag-bearer for the right-wing conservative agenda?) and I'm sure President Obama will restore much of our positive views in the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 11/11/2008
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What a joke of justice this will all be. We are going to to close the Guantanamo Bay prison and prosecute terrorism suspects in the U.S. where some detainees would be released and others would be charged. Which ones get released? Bush has been trying to release some of them but their countries won't take'em back. Do we just let them go in our country? Who will decide without trial which are probably innocent and which are probably guilty? Will the American people ever be informed of how those decisions were made? The plan would require the creation of a new legal system that is both Constitutional and operates outside of the Constitution. Trial by jury yes or no? Can the prosecutor or defense lawyer ask a juror if he or she is Muslim or a Christian for possible disqualification? Right to bail yes or no? If bail is set to ten or twenty million and a bank draft arrives from somewhere do we have to let them out? Released for lack or Miranda yes or no? Is it legal for a solider to Mirandize a criminal on the battle field in another country and have it count here? Can we stand the wall to wall talking heads covering every detail of everyone and everything in breaking news stories over and over for months and months? Heck even the ACLU doesn't like this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 11/10/2008
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How would you like to be picked up, and detained indefinitely? I'd like to see your line of questioning, then.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 AM on 11/11/2008
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How does your comment invalidate my questions?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 AM on 11/11/2008

Grow up, these people are enemy combatants....why are the bleeding heart libs so concerned about this s c u m of the earth, but have no problem a b o r t i n g innocent babies everyday....your hypocrisy is sickening.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 11/11/2008
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Deidroni has a good point. When the British instituted confinement without trial for suspected members of paramilitaries (e.g., the IRA, the UDA, the UVF, INLA, etc), a lot of people were were not paramilitaries were swept up and arrested. By the time they got out, most of them had become members of those groups, as had many of their angry friends and family members. Basically, the Bush government has done a much better job of creating terrorists than it ever did of catching them.

So, what can we do? Try, constitutionally, the prisoners. Imprison those who are found guilty. Release those found innocent to the US (allowing them to become citizens) or to the countries of their choice, if those will take them. Do what we often do when people are found to have been wrongfully imprisoned--reimburse them.

This leaves us only with the problem of what to do with those who have been found guilty and have served their sentences. Negotiate, well in advance, for their home countries to take them back with no further punishment unless they are also found guilty of separate crimes in their home countries, then repatriate them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 PM on 11/10/2008
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Should the death penalty be an option?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 11/10/2008

It is for homicide bombers!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 AM on 11/11/2008

Send 'em to Texas, we'll take care of them...haha

Can anyone say "d e a th p e n a l t y" capital of the USA???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 11/11/2008

Release them into the USA??? Are you on d r u g s??? Then what, let them go about their business, form terror cells here, and continue their great work???

Leave them at Gitmo, at least they have 3 hots and a cot....do not bring them here, though...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 11/11/2008

This we agree on Peggy...I don't want even a "suspected terrorist" in this country either, I don't care if they were found innocent...Because of their captivity, subconsciously they will still hold anti-American sentiment.

For those found guilty, I believe they will be executed.

For those found innocent, send them SOMEWHERE else.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 11/11/2008


While I think Guantanamo should be used differently, I am not sure it should be closed. I think they should get access to some form a real hearing and not the kangaroo court but may be not in the US.

I also do not think this should be one of his first priority and whoever leaked the consideration should be driven out of the camp ! Also, Bush is still the President and his office should be treated with respect.

I would want to make sure I had control of the intelligence, judicial, and security apparatus for about a year before I would be there. That way you could have a better idea of what you are dealing with and the Bush admin and sympathizers would not have time to fool around with the Guatanamo situation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 11/10/2008

I agree that the office of the president ought to be treated with respect. I am glad that we *finally* -- after eight years! -- have a president-elect who will treat the office with respect. Bush certainly never did, anymore than he treated the constitution with respect ("just a g*d-damn piece of paper" is what he called our constitution!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 PM on 11/10/2008

When did Bush or Cheney ever say that about the constitution..??..I think you are having problems remembering who it was that thinks the constitution is basically, not worth the paper it was printed on, and that is BO!!!

Do not start with the liberal revisional history yet...Bush is still the president and NOBODY believes the b. s you just wrote...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 11/11/2008

Great Idea. Will be great to see the American courts and lawyers get half of the off so they can B-O-M-B us all again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 11/10/2008

Great idea. Let the American lawyers and courts get most of them off so they can bomb us a few more times.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 11/10/2008

This is a great idea. Hopefully when they have served the time and/or released, the first and last stop is Sunny San Francisco. Or better yet allow them to further radicalize the already disgruntled inmate population.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 11/10/2008
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Guantanamo was the Pentagon's version of the Potemkin Village, all show and no substances. After five years of grilling alleged terrorists, if the U.S. had come up with a big one, we would have heard it before noon on CNN. What strategic information could possibly be forthcoming from a rag tag bunch of unfortunates after FIVE years incarceration? And how could it be used after all this time, when plans are afoot to close the prison and debark from Iraq? Many millions spent on a Hollywood backstage production that has produced nothing of consequences. Another Bush boondoggle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 11/10/2008

I want to see Allenwood in Pennsylvania expanded and all the alleged terrorists brought here. We need the jobs. I want to see a personal chef for every five prisoners. I want to see a concierge for every twenty prisoners. I want to see a pschologist for every ten prisoners to continuously monitor them to be sure the stress of confinement is not damaging their psyches. I will settle for no less than seeing these freedom fighters pampered.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 11/10/2008

sarcasm does not become you, my dear, especially when it's the pre-adolescent variety.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 11/10/2008
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There is a place for reasonable response and debate in every discussion. What you have done is neither. Perhaps you should consider tempering your comments in such a way that they would be more likely to be evaluated by those who don't currently share your opinion.

If you need a translation for that: sarcasm only goes so far - if you want people to listen to you then you may want to think about talking to them instead of talking at them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 11/10/2008

realityczech4u was not that far off from what will happen once the ACLU and the lawyers for these s c u m b a g s get ahold of this...libs have such a short memory, and what really irks me as they try and act like they're all moral and stuff, but have no problem a b o r t i n g babies...where is the outcry for their rights??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 11/11/2008

Nice to see Dana Perino concede the Guantanamo closing issue is just too complex for the current administration. This could be one of the least controversial statements ever made by a sitting president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 11/10/2008

Barack is hitting the ground running, defending our constitution against the neo-cons. I wish we could have 2 Baracks, because Bush has left things in such a shambles that it is going to take alot of work to get us back on track.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 11/10/2008

Barack Obama is a dream come true. Even if we can't have him be president for more than 8 years, he has gotten to work setting precedents and standards of decency that the current administration never attempted. The end of fear-based (Rovian) politics and the advent of honesty and belief in the agency of the American people and our government!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 11/10/2008

"Barrack Obama is a dream come true"....really?? Seeing as he hasn't done anything yet, I feel you are still riding the wave of "hope and change"....let's see what he does, but do not fool yourself and think he will be some great president, what he has done prior to being elected is far from impressive....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 11/11/2008

I heaved a heavy sigh of relief when I read this headline. President Obama, please restore the Constitution -- even if it's not always convenient.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 11/10/2008

Restore the Constitution? BO is in favor of re-writing it, and Bush NEVER uninstiled it...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 11/11/2008

LOL, Bush took a horrible dump all over the constitution...No president in history abused their power as much as Bush, which is why he will go down as the WORST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY!

And oh yeah, didn't he run on that right-wing/conservative agenda?? LOL , look where that got us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 11/11/2008

I would like to see President Obama bring Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld up on war crimes charges. It important that he"s reviewed all things associated with Bush for violations of abuse of power and authority that has help lead this country to the dire situation it is in. He"s seen how the American people have been forgotten and how big business has run this country into the ground. President Obama more than likely knows the Presidents job description in his sleep, therefore, he"s well aware that CHANGE starts with the damning and dooming policies. This will be a smart President. Many that have reservations about him will lose those and see that many things will have to be done and undone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 11/10/2008
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If Barack won't even okay tossing Lieberman out of the dem caucus, what makes you think he would prosecute the scum leaving the white house in a few weeks?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 11/10/2008

As much as I would like to have GWB and Cheney and all their cronies impeached or charged with crimes - look what it would do to this country. We've got enough problems now without taking on a crimes commission of six to eight months.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 11/10/2008

I agree. I remember how incensed I was when Ford pardoned Nixon, but looking back, I see that he was right. The nation just couldn't have stood it. As much as I'd like to personally let Vice-President Cheney swing in the wind while the felony convictions mount up, we need to focus on the nation, the planet and the future. In two months these guys will be history. Let's let them be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 11/10/2008

I think that if there was ANYTHING to charge President Bush and VP Cheney with, it would have already been done by the libs, their hatred for these two men is almost universal..but there isn't anything illegal with what either one of them did....so there will be no impeachement procedings, no criminal charges (much to the dismay of libs), no charges of ANYTHING...there is NOTHING there to charge them with....even Donald Rumsfield..

BO has NOTHING to charge them with, this is why he is not going to do it....not to "spare" the nation the of what a trial would do...WAKE UP>...there is nothing to go to court over...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 11/11/2008
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