Has Obama Created A New South?

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First Posted: 11-11-08 10:52 AM   |   Updated: 12-12-08 05:12 AM

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Post-election analysis of Barack Obama's runaway victory has generally settled on one macro-theory: he put a symbolic end to the significance of the Southern states.

How else to explain how the nation's first African-American candidate -- and one with an exotic name at that -- was not only able to rack up wins in North Carolina, Virginia, and Florida, but also win the presidency without their Deep South neighbors?

The South, we are told, is dead.

"By leaving the mainstream so decisively, the Deep South and Appalachia will no longer be able to dictate that winning Democrats have Southern accents or adhere to conservative policies on issues like welfare and tax policy, experts say," the New York Times reported on Tuesday. "That could spell the end of the so-called Southern strategy, the doctrine that took shape under President Richard M. Nixon in which national elections were won by co-opting Southern whites on racial issues."

On a more micro-level, however, an argument persists. While Obama was able to marginalize a region that for forty-plus years has both consumed and perplexed Democrats, did he change the political dynamics there? Is the South different or just no longer so important?

In a presentation to a small group of reporters immediately after the election, Simon Rosenberg, a Democratic strategist and head of NDN, argued that a new South was in fact emerging. Noting the expansion of economic hubs in the region -- Raleigh, Richmond, and Atlanta among them -- as well as the rapid growth of minority populations, the former Bill Clinton aide concluded that the region had fundamentally changed.

"The arrival of this new post Southern Strategy age of American politics will be accelerated by the extraordinary level of political participation of Millennials, the largest generation in American history, whose life experiences and values are much more Obama than Nixon," read an organizational memo.

The data, to a certain extent, supports his position. The South, as the American Enterprise Institute scholar Norm Ornstein wrote in a recent op-ed, was "liquid" in 2008. Obama proved that a candidate could be successful in the region without depending on white voters. In fact, in the states he lost, he was absolutely trounced by McCain among this constituency: approximately 90 percent of white voters supported the Arizona Republican in Alabama and Mississippi; 75 percent or more supported him in South Carolina, Louisiana, Georgia and Texas.

On the Senate side, ads that normally drove resentment towards Democratic candidates were no longer as effective. Elizabeth Dole calling her opponent "godless," for example, didn't have much resonance or pull.

And yet, at the same time, there are those in the Democratic Party who preach caution when imagining the South as a wholly new political entity. Noting that re-alignments have been predicted before, Paul Begala, another veteran of the Clinton years and a Texan himself, argued that the party was "halfway home with a long way to go," in terms of establishing permanent Southern roots.

"Having lived though the Clinton revolution, Gingrich revolution and the Bush revolution, I am very cautious of claiming permanent political alignment," he said. "I saw Karl Rove the other week and was reminded of his words: permanent Republican majority... the truth is, you would rather have our math than theirs. You would rather be the blue team then the red. But you just can't take anything for granted: 16 years ago Clinton carried Arkansas, Tennessee, Louisiana, Georgia and Florida once. We carried zero of those states in 2000 and 2004."

Certainly, Democrats can take heart in the fact that they have gained national power without being dependent on the South. Obama's election proved as much; the fact that the party controls both houses of Congress without having a majority of Southern Congressional seats -- a feat first noted by Thomas Schaller -- is further evidence. But it remains to be seen whether the region has been merely marginalized or is primed to become Democratic turf once again.

Post-election analysis of Barack Obama's runaway victory has generally settled on one macro-theory: he put a symbolic end to the significance of the Southern states. How else to explain how the natio...
Post-election analysis of Barack Obama's runaway victory has generally settled on one macro-theory: he put a symbolic end to the significance of the Southern states. How else to explain how the natio...
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It was the man, not the party. The man, people... the man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 11/12/2008
- wendynyc I'm a Fan of wendynyc 12 fans permalink

Thank God we have done so much better in the mid-Western states like Colorado and Nevada - so the Dems don't have to be so dependent on the Deep South.

I do feel that if they started putting in some effort in Alabama - it could go blue - next time around!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 11/11/2008
- RumiSouth I'm a Fan of RumiSouth 34 fans permalink
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Obama had to contend with another factor other than race: religion. About 90% of polling stations in Alabama are churches, and about 90% of those had signs like the one where I went to vote:

"VOTE FOR THE BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW"

Leaving aside a list of what's wrong with that statement, it pretty much sums up the problem Obama has among white southerners. Talking to people in checkout lines, on sidewalks, and in other public spaces these last few months, I am appalled (not shocked) to discover how many white Alabama voters actually believe the bunk they heard from someone who read it in an email. The credulity they give such screeds is frightening. Meanwhile, they live in a fantasy world "informed" by the 'Left Behind' series. Which is why 2012's smear will not be Obama's faith, or his associations, or "socialism" -- it will be the A-word...

"Antichrist."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 11/11/2008
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South Alabama Methodist church member who proudly ticked off OBAMA/BIDEN.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 11/12/2008
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You know, don't dismiss the power of that southern accent. If you listen to Obama's speeches and his first post-election press conference, you will hear two different accents. He definitely put on the Bully Pulpit Special when doing the big crowd pleasers and he sounded very Ivy League in that press conference.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 11/11/2008
- JC1c1 I'm a Fan of JC1c1 3 fans permalink

I am from Kentucky, I am white. I am also under 30. On election day I wore my Obama tshirt, I covered it up when I voted and the looks I got from people in my home town were horrible, except by the younger voters, and the young non voters (under 18), many of them told me they liked it. Obama won in Lexington and Louisville, which are both college towns. So though he didnt win over the older white people in my state, he did win over the under 30 whites. So plz dont paint us all with the same brush. The under 30s in the south has come a long way, and I am sure we still have a long way to go as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 11/11/2008

The night before I had to fly to Texas I was talking to my cousin and telling her that I really didn't want to be there on election day because I didn't want to hear Obama refered to as the N***** President. She said to me that it was the South and will always be the South and that I would just have to shut my mouth and deal with it. (She wasn't be antagonistic -- just presenting her version of being realistic. She, too, voted for Obama.) You, however, are the reason I think my cousin may be wrong. It is brave young people like you who will change things. Thank you for wearing that t-shirt. Thank you for not being intimidated by the majority opinion surrounding you. We've all been talking about change. You are being the change and you give me hope.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 PM on 11/11/2008
- markkraft I'm a Fan of markkraft 15 fans permalink

Here's the continuation to my other post...
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That said... heavy campaigning and spending by Obama did seem to influence white voters significantly, as did the economy. There were states in the South where Obama's campaign did make a significant effort and better than Kerry in 2004 amongst white voters.

One would hope that Obama will do well enough over the next few years that these voters will get gradually more comfortable with him in the White House. There are several things that Obama can do to help win over these voters, such as focusing on rural jobs and education, infrastructure improvements, and improving rural access to the internet and technology. Also, showing strong support for proactive efforts to deal with issues such as hurricanes, floods, etc. would help.

Hopefully, Obama will perform better in the next election in the South and make further inroads... ideally ones that can be further expanded upon by the Democratic candidate in 2016. But ultimately, it will take a lot of money, a lot of time, and real commitment to a true 50-state strategy. We've already started to see some results... but we must stick with it. A good start would be for Obama to go to Georgia and campaign in the Senate runoff there, taking the time to not just mobilize the base in Atlanta, but to reach out especially to rural voters.

Gotta start somewhere...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 11/11/2008
- markkraft I'm a Fan of markkraft 15 fans permalink

There is evidence that Obama lost a lot of white votes due to his race. One way of seeing this is to compare how Obama did this year with more money than his competitor during a time of economic trouble as opposed to how John Kerry did in 2004, when he was outspent nearly 2-1 against an incumbent during wartime.

Despite all the facts that indicate that Obama should've done better than Kerry in '04, there were states and counties where Obama did much worse than Kerry among white voters. In Alabama, for instance, Kerry won 19% of white voters in 2004; in 2008, Obama got only 10%. In Mississippi, Kerry won 18% of white males; Obama won a measly 9%.

Obama did worse than Kerry in counties in Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Kentucky, Mississippi, Alabama, West Virginia and western Pennsylvania. These counties are predominantly white, rural/small town, and downscale. In Tennessee's Benton County west of Nashville, Kerry got 54% of the vote, but Obama netted only 41%. Benton is more than 95% white, and almost 20% of the citizens fall below the poverty line. In western Pennsylvania, Obama lost two white, small-town counties -- Fayette and Beaver -- that Kerry won in 2004.

Southern states showed white voters favoring the Republicans greatly, even in North Carolina, which Obama won. In Southern states Obama did win in, what changed primarily was the black and latino turnouts, combined with longterm advantageous demographic shifts in states like Virginia and Florida.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 11/11/2008

I think Obama winning the election was a combination of the South not being as important to an election and also that the South is marginalizing itself by continuing its old ways of thinking while the rest of the country continues progressive thinking and evolving. People continue to pass down feelings of racial hatred and prejudice to their children and it is an area of lower socio-economic status and lower education compared to the Northeast or West. They are easily bought into the "promises" of the right and the idea that if you are right-wing you are "patriotic and religious." Unfortunately, a lot of that still exists here in rural Virginia and I heard racist and uneducated statements about Obama (terrorist supporter, Muslim, etc). These specific people have no higher education and have lived in the area their entire lives (as did their parents). It is a perpetual cycle and I think it serves as a good example for the general sentiment of the deep South and how/why it continues. I sincerely hope they will realize they are not in the same mindset as the rest of the country and that they need to be open-minded and tolerant, but luckily the rest of the U.S. has been able to move on without them. If things continue to progress in the rest of the U.S., they will have no choice but to either accept it or succeed from the Union again! (joking)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 11/11/2008
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To determine whether the South has changed, you need merely to tune into the Chambliss race in Georgia. The appeal from this Southern gentleman is simple - Y'all (white folk) need to the get out and vote or those others (N******) will steal the election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 11/11/2008
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These are comments from the REAL South.

http://www.wkrg.com/crime/article/hate_crime_or_a_prank/20738/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 11/11/2008
- lynettema I'm a Fan of lynettema 57 fans permalink

Give some credit to Howard Dean who was the author of the 50 state strategy. Obama continued that strategy during his campaign. We contributed to that strategy by giving Obama and Democrats enough money to fight the fear and smear of the RW. Obama and Democratic candidates were able to get out their message instead of letting the RW define them. The Internet was our friend. Now is not the time to let up. Keep up the 50 state strategy. Continue supporting progressive candidates. Keep the facts out there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 11/11/2008

White folks from the south began the civil war, a black man from America will end it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 11/11/2008

There is a big difference between NC and SC. SC is far more rural. NC is the second largest college state in America and with several ivy league colleges that house loads of Berkley type progressives. Such is the Research Triangle area of Chapel Hill, Durham, and Raleigh. ..the Raleigh area where Obama prevaled. Also, the Charlotte area is full of LA & NY'er corporate transplants. Though NC generally votes Republican for President it is nonetheless fairly evenly divided between Dems and Rep's for other offices. Here there is a far more civil attitude toward each party preference because many households are diviided. Many African Americans from the South that have voted for Obama still do not favor many of the far left issues that come from the NY, LA, San Francisco areas....like Gay Marriage as they hold to true Christian values. MLK's ideals are their ideals. The religious bashing will push them away entirely. You have Snoop Dog and then you have the influence of Snoop Dog's Mama. The Snoop Dog Mama's do have an influence on their kids and their voting. So unless Dems want to lose after Obama's reign they best learn what NC's families have learned is to respect other ppl's views and convince them on issues and not name calling and belittling them as "clinging to their religion and guns."...The only one gonna get my gun is one with a hole in his belly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 11/11/2008

I can only speak from my own experience. Due to a death in the family I had to be in Texas on election day – NOT where I wanted to be that day. The anger I encountered after the election was palpable. One local paper refused to print the election results. Then there were reports that gun sales were going through the roof. Purportedly because “Obama was going to take everyone’s guns away.” I lost count of the number of times I heard the N word. I absolutely despise that word and it shocks me to hear it. Yet apparently some people think that if your skin is the same color as theirs, you share their ideology. I could recount more incidents but I think you get the idea. It was frightening to think that in this day and age that the ignorance and primal attitudes I encountered still exist. I was very, very happy to get home.

It will be interesting to see if Obama is actually changing the South of if it will just become more polarized. Whatever happens, hopefully I'll read about it instead of experiencing it first hand.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 11/11/2008
- lynettema I'm a Fan of lynettema 57 fans permalink

I hope you were able to vote early. Sorry about Texas. In my dreams, Texas leaves the Union and all the RW radicals move there and have to deal with each other. Texas Dems are able to relocate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 11/11/2008

I did vote early -- as a matter of fact I dropped off my mail-in ballot on the first day they accepted them. Thank goodness. You'd be surprised at how many Texans agree with you that they'd like to secede. After last week, I wouldn't be sorry to see them go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 11/11/2008
- D2D2 I'm a Fan of D2D2 11 fans permalink
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Arguably, by winning the election through a disciplined, well-organized, and inspiring campaign, President-elect Obama destroyed the Southern Strategy. Now, however, it is incumbent on our newly elected leader to govern in a manner that demonstrates to the south, among others, that his ideas and policy positions work to make America stronger. Ultimately that is how he (and we) can (and yes, we will) win the hearts, not only of those in the southern states, but the vast majority of Americans. Unity conquers division.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 11/11/2008
- Plowboy I'm a Fan of Plowboy 25 fans permalink

Has Obama changed the South? Not entirely, but give him time! He has made remarkable progress -- and is only beginning!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 11/11/2008
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