Bayh's Defense Of Lieberman Wrong, Senate Expert Says

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First Posted: 11-14-08 11:54 AM   |   Updated: 12-15-08 05:12 AM

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Appearing on "The Rachel Maddow Show" earlier this week, Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh argued that Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman should keep his committee chairmanships, suggesting that the posts could be taken away at a later date if he misbehaves. But a Senate rules expert who spoke to the Huffington Post said this could prove more difficult than is presently assumed.

Attempting to put Democrats' fears to rest, Bayh told Maddow:

And the final thing I'd say is, if he does retain his chairmanship, we still exert oversight over him and control over him. He doesn't have the ability to just do whatever he wants. The caucus still has the right to remove him from that position at any time if he starts going off on some kind of tangent.

Bayh's rationale appeared persuasive to some Democrats, including former Clinton campaign operative Phil Singer, who wrote on his blog that the Indiana Senator's take was "not unreasonable."

But former Democratic Senate staffer Martin Paone suggested Bayh is under-educated on this matter. Paone, who became as the "secretary to the majority" in the Senate starting in 2001, notes that Republicans harbored similar desires in the past, but never executed them due to the threat of a filibuster.

"It takes a Senate resolution to change a chairmanship, and that resolution could be subject to a filibuster," Paone told the Huffington Post. Put simply, under Bayh's proposed scenario, Republicans would have every reason to filibuster a new Senate resolution taking Lieberman's chairmanship away if he was proving an effective antagonist of President Obama.

Paone noted that a similar game of political chess played out in the Senate's recent history. "We had a similar situation in the past with a Republican moderate senator, Mark Hatfield from Oregon, who voted the wrong way in the eyes of [former Sen. Rick] Santorum and others on the constitutional amendment on a balanced budget," Paone said. "There were rumblings they wanted to take his chairmanship away. But the ranking member on the committee was [Democratic] Sen. Robert Byrd, who wrote Hatfield a nice note saying, 'if they ever try to take your chairmanship away, I'll make sure we [Democrats] will filibuster such a resolution."

According to Paone, "the time to take a chairmanship away is when everybody is being appointed [at the beginning of the new Congress]. Everybody has an investment in that resolution. In order for everybody to benefit, that resolution has to pass. It's much more difficult to cherry pick in this fashion, to take one Senator's chairmanship, at a later date."

Asked if Bayh understands this complexity, Paone said "I'm sure he probably doesn't. There aren't that many people up there who do. It's not every day you want to change a chairmanship. And since the Hatfield matter never materialized, I think that shows why it's not as easy as some might think."

Appearing on "The Rachel Maddow Show" earlier this week, Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh argued that Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman should keep his committee chairmanships, suggesting that the posts could be t...
Appearing on "The Rachel Maddow Show" earlier this week, Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh argued that Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman should keep his committee chairmanships, suggesting that the posts could be t...
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What is Bayh talking about??? I wish the Democrats should use some common sense. You invite someone into your house. They spray paint "F-you" on the walls, they smash the furniture, they kick your wife, they help themselves to your fridge. AND YOU INVITE THEM BACK????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 11/16/2008
- Horus45 I'm a Fan of Horus45 33 fans permalink
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Take away his chairs now and if he behaves they can give him something in the future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 11/16/2008
- kfdan I'm a Fan of kfdan 20 fans permalink
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Joe Lieberman should go ... if the democrats are worried that they will loose one vote, they need to take a hard look at Lieberman's actions in this last campaign! He was a right wing game player who lost ... so let him go to that big apple in the sky where he can contemplate his navel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 11/16/2008
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BTW, What a disap pointment Ba yh turned out to be! To think he was on the sho rt list for VPs. Thank God that didn't happen! So he thin ks Joe should just ap ologi ze and that's it?? And that's gonna make him become a go od b oy? Oh please!

Folks, please call him and tell him we don't need to keep a Ju das in the Home land Chairm anship. The Sen ators should vote to remo ve him from the chair and let him choose whether to stay in the ca ucus or not. If his choice is to leave, good rid dance!

Evan Bayh: (202) 224-5623

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 11/16/2008

Please contact the Senators on the Steering Committee and tell them what you think about Joe Lieberman maintaining his Chairmanship of the Homeland Security Committee. Be polite!

Chris Dodd http://dodd.senate.gov (202) 224-2823

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 11/16/2008

Hillary Clinton http://clinton.senate.gov (202) 224-4451

Barbara Boxer http://boxer.senate.gov (202) 224-3553

Carl Levin http://levin.senate.gov (202) 224-6221

Dick Durin http://durbin.senate.gov (202) 224-2152

Harry Reid http://reid.senate.gov 202-224-3542

Debbie Stabenow http://stabenow.senate.gov (202) 224-4822

John Kerry http://kerry.senate.gov (202) 224-2742

Robert Byrd http://byrd.senate.gov

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 11/16/2008
- majii I'm a Fan of majii 14 fans permalink

Already contacted all of them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 11/16/2008
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Suddenly Evan Bayh is starting to remind me of Dan Quayle. Youth, looks, no substance. Thank God he didn't make VP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 11/15/2008

He's actually 53 years old. (But he's had a lot of face peals.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 11/16/2008

Now I know why Bayh wasn't the Veep pick. Remove JOE the LIEBERMAN now from the chairmanship before he becomes a poison to everything. Drop him NOW !!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 11/15/2008

Evan Bayh makes Sarah Palin look like a genius!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 11/15/2008

Not even Larry, Moe, and Curly can make Palin look like a genius...let alone Bayh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 11/15/2008
- cobraxus I'm a Fan of cobraxus 18 fans permalink
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Obama wants Lieberman to remain in the caucus.He said nothing about Lieberman retaining his chairmanship.This latest "Tailgunner"Joe needs to be smacked down.There is a price to be paid for all things and if senate democrats(Obama has already resigned)will be seen as spineless yet again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 11/15/2008

In my opinion Obama's support of Lieberman is like McCain's support of Palin. It's just wrong and it will hurt him in the long run.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 11/15/2008
- patianneb I'm a Fan of patianneb 18 fans permalink
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I cannot beleive these people...after the debacle of spinelessness post 9-11 and I R A Q and S A D D A M, and the continuing spinelessness the past two years on serious issues when the Dems finally got some power back, here they are pining and whining over Lieberman, that turncoat, fear & warmongering self-righteous c r eep?
Give us a break.
And I don't know WHAT Obama is up to, other than maybe buying a little time to take control, but while I'm willing to refrain from absolute "judgment" I'm not at all happy with what I'm seeing here.
To keep Lieberman and let him retain power is a truly s t u p i d choice, in my opinion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 11/15/2008

Dead wrong Bayh. Burn Joe like Joe burned Obama

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 11/15/2008
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Lieberman was a total jerk!! I say make him walk the plank!!! He needs to lose his chairmanship.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 11/15/2008
- Okieborn I'm a Fan of Okieborn 62 fans permalink

GO GO GO LIEBERMAN "AWAY" !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 11/15/2008
- Okieborn I'm a Fan of Okieborn 62 fans permalink

PULEEEZE DON'T MAKE AMERICA HAVE TO LOOK AT LIEBERMAN !!!
GET RID OF THE SNAKE !!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 11/15/2008
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I realize that Obama wants to forgive and forget all transgressions during the tumultuous campaign days.

And I agree, we should try to keep Benedict Lieberman in the democratic caucus but should definitely remove him as chairman of the Homeland Security committee. I would never give this loose cannon subpoena power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 AM on 11/15/2008

I think this is exactly what Obama meant: keep LIEbermann in caucus but not on the chairmanship. Obama may just mean to sound like he is bipartisan because LIEbermann had attacked him personally and he forgave him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 11/15/2008
- jeanrenoir I'm a Fan of jeanrenoir 105 fans permalink

Definitely strip him of all committee chairs. Put the onus on HIM. If he wants to caucus with the Republicans, let's see how that plays in Connecticut when he comes up for election. Since even Chris Shays was rejected in Connecticut, if Obama succeeds, Lieberman's probably toast in any case, but caucusing with Republicans would probably be the last straw with the voters. Senators like Bayh are no doubt getting lots of pressure from wealthy Jewish backers to take the Bayh line. We the people have to scream as loudly as possible to remind everyone of who has the VOTES.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 11/15/2008
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