Auto Industry Bailout Vote Canceled By Senate

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JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS | November 19, 2008 09:16 PM EST | AP

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Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., holds up a print-out of a New York Times article as he testifies on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, Nov. 19, 2008, before a Financial Services Committee hearing on the automotive industry bailout. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

WASHINGTON — A Democratic Congress, unwilling or unable to approve a $25 billion bailout for Detroit's Big Three, appears ready to punt the automakers' fate to a lame-duck Republican president. Caught in the middle of a who-blinks-first standoff are legions of manufacturing firms and auto dealers _ and millions of Americans' jobs _ after Senate Democrats canceled a showdown vote that had been expected Thursday. President George W. Bush has "no appetite" to act on his own.

U.S. auto companies employ nearly a quarter-million workers, and more than 730,000 other people have jobs producing the materials and parts that go into cars. About 1 million on top of that work in dealerships nationwide. If just one of the auto giants were to go belly up, some estimates put U.S. job losses next year as high as 2.5 million.

"If GM is telling us the truth, they go into bankruptcy and you see a cascade like you have never seen," said Sen. George V. Voinovich, R-Ohio, who was working on one rescue plan Wednesday. "If people want to go home and not do anything, I think that they're going to have that on their hands."

The automakers _ hobbled by lackluster sales and choked credit _ are burning through money at an alarming and accelerating rate: about $18 billion in the last quarter alone. General Motors Corp. has said it could collapse within weeks, and there are indications that Chrysler LLC might not be far behind. Ford Motor Co. has said it could get through the end of 2008, but it's unclear how much longer.

For now, however, with the federal emergency loan plan stalled in the Senate, lawmakers in both parties are engaged in a high-stakes game of chicken, positioning themselves to blame each other for the failure.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., scrapped plans Wednesday for a vote on a bill to carve $25 billion in new auto industry loans out of the $700 billion Wall Street rescue fund.

It's really up to Bush's team to act, he said.

"I don't believe we need the legislation," Reid said. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson can tap the financial industry bailout money to help auto companies, Reid said, but "he just doesn't want to do it."

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Not our responsibility, countered the White House.

"If Congress leaves for a two-month vacation without having addressed this important issue ... then the Congress will bear responsibility for anything that happens in the next couple of months during their long vacation," said Dana Perino, the White House press secretary.

She said there was "no appetite" in the administration for using the financial industry bailout money to help auto companies.

The White House and congressional Republicans instead called on Democrats to sign on to a GOP plan to divert a $25 billion loan program created by Congress in September _ designed to help the companies develop more fuel-efficient vehicles _ to meet the auto giants' immediate financial needs.

Voinovich and Sen. Kit Bond, R-Mo., along with Democratic Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, were at work on that measure Wednesday, trying to placate skeptical Democrats by including a guarantee that the fuel-efficiency loan fund would ultimately be replenished.

"It is the only proposal now being considered that has a chance of actually becoming law," said Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.

If an acceptable deal emerges, Reid said it could be passed as part of a measure to extend jobless aid to unemployed workers whose benefits have run out. A vote on that bill is likely on Thursday. Negotiators were discussing a scaled-down aid package of $5 billion to $8 billion to help the automakers survive through year's end.

But there was little sign that Democratic leaders would go along.

"We have to face reality," Reid said.

They are vehemently opposed to letting the car companies tap the fuel-efficiency money _ set aside to help switch to vehicles that burn less gasoline _ for short-term cash-flow needs.

All of which leaves the Big Three bracing for a bleak winter without government help.

GM CEO Rick Wagoner told a House committee Wednesday that the downfall of his industry would ripple through communities around the nation. Pressed by lawmakers, Wagoner wouldn't say precisely when GM would run out of money without a government lifeline, but he disclosed that the company now was burning through $5 billion a month.

Still, with the $25 billion emergency package, "we think we have a good shot to make it through this," Wagoner said.

Many lawmakers in both parties are now openly discussing whether bankruptcy might be a better option for auto firms they regard as lumbering industrial dinosaurs that have done too little to adjust their products and work forces for the 21st century.

The carmakers argue that bankruptcy would devastate their companies, but proponents say it would give them a chance to reorganize and emerge stronger and more competitive.

It's unclear, though, whether Democrats controlling Congress are willing to risk being blamed for letting one of the Big Three _ symbols of the nation's once-mighty manufacturing sector _ go under.

Bailout-shy lawmakers got an earful from jittery constituents last month when the House let an early version of the Wall Street rescue fail, sending the Dow Jones industrials tumbling and erasing more than a trillion dollars in retirement savings and other investments. Congress took a deep breath and reconsidered, passing the plan a few days later.

Faced with a similar collapse in the auto industry, the Bush administration might yet decide to step in to help the auto companies, or the Federal Reserve could step in _ though both have steadfastly refused to do so.

If not, lawmakers have left themselves a contingency plan: Come back to Washington in December for yet another postelection session where they might be able to strike the deal that now seems beyond reach.

Democratic leaders are planning to gather for an economic conference the week of Dec. 8, noted House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer, D-Md.

"That is available," Hoyer said this week. "The year has not ended."

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Associated Press writers Sam Hananel in Washington and Tom Krisher in Detroit contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — A Democratic Congress, unwilling or unable to approve a $25 billion bailout for Detroit's Big Three, appears ready to punt the automakers' fate to a lame-duck Republican president. ...
WASHINGTON — A Democratic Congress, unwilling or unable to approve a $25 billion bailout for Detroit's Big Three, appears ready to punt the automakers' fate to a lame-duck Republican president. ...
 
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Who did not vote yes or no for the auto bailout?
According to my count, there were 17 senators missing the vote.
- OBAMA WHO RESIGNED
- KENNEDY WHO MAY HAVE NOT BEEN THERE
WHO ESLE WAS MISSING?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 12/12/2008

Congress needs to help the industry but it needs to do correctly.

Given the overcapacity, congress should really consider forcing a merger of GM and Chrysler or some arrangement where Chrysler being the weakest of the 3 companies is liquidated.

It seems there were serious talks of a merger between GM and Chrysler earlier this year.

http://www.christonium.com/automotive/ItemID=12284939913205

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 12/06/2008

As a lifelong democrat, I am appalled by my elected reps trying to get these bailouts through. The banks didn't deserve it and the auto industry absolutely doesn't deserve it. Everyone is hurting. I am a small business owner on the UWS of Manhattan and I am eating egg salad from a plastic container every day. These auto workers make $56 an hour and their cost of living is low. It's like making $200 on one of the coasts. Our lawmakers need to start thinking of the people who elect them, not special interests.

Protest the bailout at http://www.autoindustrybailout.com/petition/

Enough with the handouts unless you're going to give them to everyone and not just select groups of people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 12/06/2008
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Bankruptcy on a normal business in a jam can be a helpful tool.
In this case, in these times, this would be disastrous. The interconnectedness of the entire industry, suppliers, workers, finance, subsidiaries is so immense and entwined.
Bankruptcy will let them stiff suppliers and screw over workers and not pay bills to thousands of sometimes much smaller companies. Not a good solution this time.
Like a turning a big ship around in a small harbor and the engines stop.
This is such a vital industry to the US and so integral to our manufacturing base.
What now? Let China take over?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 11/20/2008

How do we stop the car makers from closing their doors during bankruptcy?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 11/22/2008

This is not a disaster. The exec's at the big three have been raping those corporations for years (Ford is an exception since the family took over control). GM has been in dire straits for at least five years, and during that time the top exec's have been rewarding themselves with lavish bonuses while cutting pay and benefits for everyone else.

By not bailing them out it will force the Big Three to file Chapter 11. With court oversite a true overhaul can begin. Chapter 11 will not lay off production workers, but could do much to trim the fat cats and their pay at the top. Hopefully a few illegalities will be discovered and will result in criminal charges being filed on those at the top.

So far the rest of the bail-out has been a disaster. Finally Paulson and the congress have begun to realize that you can't reward incompetence. What you can do is use bail-out funds to mitigate the effects on our economy which was totally caused by the greed of corporate America. But right now we have 300 billion dollars that have been wasted. It remains to be seen whether the government has learned from their mistake.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 11/20/2008

You go and give the banks a $700 billion bailout but you can't give the auto-industry any help. I hope you have a better plan, I'm from Michigan and we're going down unless we get help fast. Do you really want the rest of the country to wind up like Flint?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 11/20/2008

I fell like I'm trapped in a wreck being consumed by flames and the rescue crew just set down the jaws of life because it was time for their lunch break. When you get back, we won't be here. Congress needs to grow some and get back in there and come up with a complex plan that cuts bonuses entirely unti the money is paid back, severely limits exec. compensation, and includes some small concessions on the part of the union. Tie all the strings you need to to this, but for god's sake, get back in there and get it done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 11/20/2008

So we can't afford this, but can afford to spend billions of dollars in Iraq????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 11/20/2008
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Yugo is leading the way for the "big three".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7739319.stm

They deserve to fail, plus it will help my Honda stock.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 11/20/2008

Don't give them a dime unless they meet these preconditions
1) Highest salary < 10x lowest salary. Can't get by on say $500K ? show them the door
2) No part of the business can be outsourced. I work in IT. If you want me to have your back, then you better have mine. I mean nothing from overseas labor. Your argument is that this is all about jobs. The big 3 are either participating in global resourcing or outsourcing to companies that do. States do it so can you.
4) Show me your business plan. A small business would never get a loan without demonstrating a plan. Same goes for you big boy.
5) Retooling for new technology has to be a major part of the plan. Natural Gas for trucks, Electric/Hybrid/Hydrogen for cars. Nothing for Petro based.
6) 25 Billion or whatever you borrow has to be covered with collateral. You execs should be able to cover it with your stocks. No ? Then sell your stocks and bail yourself out.

We need this money to build America from the bottom up not the top down. As much as I want to save the jobs of those average manufacturing workers and those businesses that exist as part of the industry. I doubt this bailout would do more than allow these companies to make payroll (much of it for those 3 on TV) for a while and then they will let it fail or come back for more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 11/20/2008

For the most part I like what you had to say EXCEPT - "No part of the business can be outsourced." Detroit has a hard enough time competing based on price (or more importantly value). Without outsourcing they could not compete with foreign automakers because they ALL outsource. It is the world we live in and there is no going back. "Incentives" could be given to keep jobs in the USA in order to offset the increase in production costs. But, that's just the taxpayers paying to prop-up an inefficient system.

On a side note: After living in Argentina this Spring and currently residing in Spain, I'm happy to say Chevy and Ford have got some stylish, fuel efficient, compact, cars and SUV's in these markets. Not only that, they actually have a good reputation over here. I'm hoping they can stay around long enough to complete the transition in their factories from giant gas guzzlers to producing these models. Soon they could have the supply, but will US citizens still have the demand at $50 a barrel. I hope US consumers don't have a short memory...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 11/20/2008

My second condition is based on the claim that providing financial aide saves american jobs so if I'm to support the american auto industry then I'll have my piece of the pie too. Are IT jobs less sacred than Auto based jobs ? Survival of the fittest or survival of americans. I don't care which but equal treatment is all I ask.
BTW US consumers do have short memories so we will not have our energy revolution without government coercion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 11/20/2008
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Note to the Big 3; next time you ask for a handout ditch the Armani suit and almonds from the private jet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 11/20/2008

NOT SO FAST!!!

It just came out of committee...

Waxman ousted Dingle...

connect the dots...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 11/20/2008

What is wrong with us? I'll tell you. If anyone had faith in the management teams of the Big Three this wouldn't be an issue at all. The question isn't this $25B, it's how much more this industry - and other struggling industries in the country - will ultimately beg for.

If these companies are not restructured and reorganized, the $25B will buy us a few months reprieve - and nothing more. Come next summer we will be in exactly the same position except with 25,000,000,000 fewer dollars to work with.

In other words, people don't believe that this bailout is a sustainable solution. In fact, many don't believe it's a solution at all. It's a stalling tactic that could make it MORE DIFFICULT to actually enact a sustainable solution. Because this loan would virtually guarantee that the management structures of the Big Three would remain intact.

Don't get me wrong. Of course the three million jobs at stake are important. But the issue is not as cut-and-dry as you're all claiming. There's more to it than three million jobs for five months. At stake is the entire manufacturing industry of the country for the next decade. The issue is NOT what this country would look like three MONTHS from now with and without the bailout - everyone agrees it would be terrible. The issue is what this country would like like three YEARS from now with and without the bailout - same as today, or maybe something sustainable?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 11/20/2008
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Does anyone remember, Buy American!
The job you save may be your own!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 11/20/2008
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Patriot. ism is fine but when the local folk cannot compete what then?

Seeing USA invented the production line, how is it the Other countries perfected/improved it? They produce in the USA and still produce cheaper cars that are fuel efficient and in reality, you get more for your buck

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 11/20/2008

Reuters News: GMAC - the GM financial wing is applying to become a bank, so they can apply to get some of the Bailout Money....makes you wonder....we should all keep this in mind and track this process, especially if it applies for a $25B loan. This can be easily tracked on www. ProPublica.

This is all so sleazy that it just makes me ill. The pure disregard for the American people...if this happens, GM will never see me as a customer....maybe a small threat to them, but their greed to get as much capital from us is quite disgusting. As displayed in their CSPAN testimony, none of the Big3 gave any plans for the money....just wanted it and now they are trying an end run.

What part of NO do they not understand? We can all email our congressmen - but this is up to Paulsen...if anyone knows how we can prevent this, please post!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 11/20/2008
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