Big Three Lobby Capitol Hill Again Today Amidst Fleeting Chances For Auto Bailout

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KEN THOMAS | November 19, 2008 03:58 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — Top Senate Democrats suggested Wednesday that a bill to rescue Detroit's Big Three automakers was stalled and challenged the Bush administration to take steps to save the industry if congressional efforts falter. The White House quickly rebuffed the suggestion.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada sought to lower expectations of reaching a deal on the $25 billion proposal before Congress quits for the year.

While he told the Senate he still hoped lawmakers could agree to an auto deal in the "next day or two" of the current lame-duck session, he added: "If we can't do it here legislatively, I would hope that the secretary of Treasury would listen loud and clear because they could take this into their own hands and do what I think is appropriate from their perspective."

Responded White House press secretary Dana Perino: "There's no appetite for that." She said it was up to Congress to act.

Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd, D-Conn., was even more downbeat, calling the possibility of reaching agreement "remote."

"I don't see how in the next few days this is going to move forward," Dodd told reporters. Still, he added, "That does not mean that there are not opportunities." He suggested that the Federal Reserve could possibly step up to the job.

The difficulties of striking a deal on the package before a new president and a new Congress with expanded Democratic majorities take office appeared to be too great to overcome. The deadlock persisted even as the heads of General Motors, Ford and Chrysler returned for a second day to plead for relief and as their congressional backers urged colleagues not to punish them for past mistakes.

General Motors Corp. CEO Rick Wagoner told the House Financial Services Committee that collapse of the U.S. auto industry could lead to a loss of 3 million jobs within the first year and ripple throughout communities around the nation.

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In sometimes contentious testimony, Wagoner was pressed on when GM would run out of money if the loans weren't extended.

He said he couldn't say precisely, but that the company now was burning through "$5 billion each month."

Still, with the $25 billion emergency package, "We think we have a good shot to make it through this," Wagoner said. He said he anticipated that, if the package is approved, GM would qualify for about $10 billion to $12 billion of the money.

President George W. Bush and Republicans in Congress have been reluctant to use the Treasury Department's $700 billion financial bailout program to finance the loans.

The White House wants Congress to draw the $25 billion from an Energy Department program established to encourage production of fuel-efficient cars.

Perino said Wednesday the administration supports legislation to authorize just that, but will not go along with the proposal by Democratic leaders that an additional $25 billion be taken from the government's existing $700 billion Wall Street bailout fund.

"The purpose of the $700 billion was clearly intended for financial institutions, and we wanted to keep that whole," Perino said. .

If Congress quits without taking any action, "then the Congress will bear responsibility for anything that happens in the next couple of months during their long vacation," Perino said.

Congressional Republicans battled uphill to try to pick up Democratic support for the White House plan to allow auto companies to draw emergency loans from the $25 billion fuel-efficiency fund.

Democratic leaders have rejected such a course, and environmentalists don't want that money used for anything other than its intended purpose.

But the GOP approach, being crafted by Sens. Kit Bond, R-Mo., and George Voinovich, R-Ohio, would require the automakers to plow back into the fund repaid loans, interest and income from equity stakes.

The proposal, outlined in a position paper obtained by The Associated Press, is intended to satisfy Democrats concerned about raiding the fuel-efficiency loan program. Since auto makers would not be tapping those funds immediately, supporters argue, the money would be restored by the time they were needed.

During the House hearing Wednesday, Rep. Brad Sherman, D-Calif., asked the three auto chiefs seated at the witness table before him to raise their hands if they had come to Washington on commercial airliners. No hands went up. Then he asked if any planned to sell their corporate jets. Again, no hands went up.

Sherman and Rep. Gary Ackerman, D-N.Y., told the auto executives they were having a hard time justifying to their constituents bailing out companies whose chiefs fly around in expensive private jets.

Ackerman said there was "a delicious irony in seeing private luxury jets flying into Washington, D.C., and people coming off them with tin cups in their hands. ... It's almost like seeing a guy show up at the soup kitchen in high hat and tuxedo."

A Senate vote on an automotive bailout plan, which would also extend jobless benefits, could come as early as Thursday, but it clearly lacks the necessary support to advance.

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Associated Press writers Julie Hirschfeld Davis and Sam Hananel contributed to this story.

(This version CORRECTS quote to "private luxury jets."))

WASHINGTON — Top Senate Democrats suggested Wednesday that a bill to rescue Detroit's Big Three automakers was stalled and challenged the Bush administration to take steps to save the industry i...
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Obama has to hold the auto industry and other tech companies to task on new energy and innovation. That's the only way he stands a chance to make good on investing in these dying brands. Read 'Obama's Green Is The New Black' - http://newsone.blackplanet.com/nation/ricketts-obamas-green-is-the-new-black/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 11/21/2008
- oldguru I'm a Fan of oldguru 24 fans permalink
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Isn't this Nardelli cat (At Chrysler) the one who almost sank Home Depot, and left there with a huge golden parachute when he got canned? This country has developed a group of elitist businessmen who think that they are above anyone else. I have worked for some of these "Corporate Princes" and I am here to tell you that they have NO CLUE about how to do any of the jobs that they are supposed to be in charge of. All they know is how to make money for the stockholders and more for themselves. The customer is the chump who gets screwed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 11/20/2008
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An observation on the Motor City situation: The current situation was predictable. The inflated price of gas and oil the last few months set the stage for the US automakers to require assistance. US automakers make null profits on economy cars.

Suddenly in the last couple of weeks the price of gas at the pumps has plummeted!

The American car and truck industry needs some help, The current outgoing administration and the artificial manipulation and in-house extortion measures for oil and gas pricing during this time is directly related to the predicament of the American car industry and the need for a US car manufacturers bailout. (Detroit football is on the same chart),


Regarding Home Depot and their management profile, they have reached a pinnicle in the home store industry, yet they are secretly known on the street as a counterfit money-laundering operation. Long before Home Depot existed there was Rickel's a local, small chain of home stores from which the concept for Home Depot was extracted. Rickel's has long since been out-of-business.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 11/21/2008
- FDRJFKLBJ I'm a Fan of FDRJFKLBJ 2 fans permalink

People like to talk trash about the automaker's management, but these guys have tried everything in the book. They have my respect.

It's time to realize that these companies are not profitable the way they are now. They must declare bankruptcy and start fresh. Smash the unions, drop those expensive retirement obligations, and begin rebuilding on a more solid foundation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 11/20/2008
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you must be 'management' FDRJFKLBJ?? what do you respect them for? making gas guzzlers? losing money? begging for a handout? showing up in private jets to beg for money? mismanaging their companies and expecting the govt to pay for their mistakes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 11/20/2008
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I have a suggestion---since management has run these companies into the ground, why don't they get fired? They could then promote someone in middle management to do the job at probably 10% of the wage these incompetents are taking and everyone would be happy. Why do we keep rewarding these ceo's for f ing up?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 11/20/2008
- killpack I'm a Fan of killpack 4 fans permalink

Here's my question, and maybe this doesn't concern anyone else. Maybe I'm just a greedy SOB, but why are MY tax dollars in jeopardy of going to this crappy business? Why is no one willing to send their own money to these guys, but have absolutely no problem considering my money to be sacrificed?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 11/20/2008
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I don't have a problem LOANING some of my hard earned tax dollars to these companies to get back on their feet again, but that doesn't seem to be the way it's panning out....I have another question for you, if the common person needs money, then there's a contract to sign, complete with terms and all sorts of rules to follow, how come when it's the fat cats needing money, there's no contracts? no checks and balances and no promises that they won't just do whatever they want to?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 11/20/2008
- FDRJFKLBJ I'm a Fan of FDRJFKLBJ 2 fans permalink

How about this, goodneighbor: You don't get a pay check at the end of the year if the company you work for doesn't make a profit. Does this sound fair to you?

Of course not. Why should it be any different for CEOs?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 11/20/2008
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I have actually had this happen to me--haven't gotten paid cause the company I worked for didn't make any money. But, I wasn't management, I didn't get to make the decisions. My point is that the CEO's are OVERPAID for what they do...especially when they make a whole bunch of bad decisions, making the whole company worthless and still get their outrageously high pay.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 11/20/2008
- bbrecht I'm a Fan of bbrecht 17 fans permalink
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Good-bye 3 million jobs. What idiots. While it's true the auto industry made some bad & short sighted business decisions-- letting them fall while bailing out the financial industry is BS.

Is this a way to destroy our unions once and for all? Then we can all take 3 dollars a day jobs like the rest of the world--

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 11/20/2008

I have a couple of bridges for you. Marvelous real estate opportunity for you. But you need to act now. And, since you seem to believe anything that anybody puts out (like that there will be three million jobs lost), I am sure you will like my bridges, too. Just send me a million dollars and they are yours. You get the papers after I get the money. You do trust me, don't you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 11/20/2008
- killpack I'm a Fan of killpack 4 fans permalink

Bailout out the financial industry IS BS. That's why I wrote my Congressmen before it happened demanding that it not happen! That's why I am still writing to those clowns DEMANDING that they take that money back!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 11/20/2008
- a68deville I'm a Fan of a68deville 3 fans permalink
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Lets see what kind of money the Chinese are willing to pay the line workers , if they get their hands on one , or all of our auto companies . Dont we owe them enough ,now ? Sure do like the new Hemi Challenger . I wonder how that translates into Chinese .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 AM on 11/20/2008

Sinophobia seems to have become the new racism.

:-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 AM on 11/20/2008
- a68deville I'm a Fan of a68deville 3 fans permalink
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Good point Kill . My apologies to the chinese. No offense intended , to the people . The government , on the other hand . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 AM on 11/21/2008
- munki I'm a Fan of munki 33 fans permalink
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Senator Levin has done a GREAT job today - started the session asking the CEOs of their $20K LUXURY PRIVATE JET ride to DC after telling us trim... trim and trim.
Shouldn't they (Executives appeared today in DC) be trimming their fat checks, perks and potential golden parachute and NO parachute for them... thank you... I am sorry but I am angry!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 11/20/2008

Because of the low prices now of stock in the Big 3, perhaps all employees and the UAW should be encouraged to buy up controlling interest in these companies. Then you could appoint new directors, fire all the executives, sell off all the jets, and pay all the employees whatever they wanted.

It sounds so simple and everyone would be happy. It would cost tax payers nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 11/19/2008
- killpack I'm a Fan of killpack 4 fans permalink

Seriously. If you really want to bail out the auto industry, invest your OWN DAMN MONEY in them yourself. Why do you need TAXPAYER money?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 AM on 11/20/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 223 fans permalink

Except they would have no cash to pay their salaries! Or their suppliers who would have no money to pay their staff.

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 11/20/2008

$3 billion/300,000 employees (rough estimate for GM) means $10,000 per employee. Yep. I can see that... people afraid of being laid off go to the bank and take out $10k+ to buy worthless stocks.

Bwaaaahhha­aahahahhaa­aaaahhhhah­aaaahhh...­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 11/20/2008

So you are saying that none of the employees would be stupid enough to invest $10,000 in these 'worthless stocks' - but that the stupid tax payers (govenment) should invest 25 billion dollars. Great left leaninig economic theory.

Re the purchase price of 3 billion dollars - rather than 25 billion it would be cheaper for the taxpayers (government) to buy all the shares for 3 billion dollars, and give them to the UAW (employees) for nothing and let them own and run all three operations. WOW !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 AM on 11/20/2008
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Because of the low prices now of stock in the Big 3, perhaps all employees and the UAW should be encouraged to buy up controlling interest in these companies.
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It might be managed better as a cooperativ­e...Intrig­uing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 AM on 11/20/2008
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I ment to say Ford

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 11/19/2008
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General Motors private airline flies out of Willow Run and Detroit City Airport,
Chrysler flies out of Oakland County Municipal Airport
Frod flies out of a private airfield at Detroit Metro Airport

There companies have their own fleet of airplanes....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 11/19/2008
- suemag I'm a Fan of suemag 8 fans permalink
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Pauk Krugman says bail them out and I trust him, but I say contingent upon firing all the executives first.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 11/19/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 223 fans permalink

There top executives are new and doing the restructuring. One is from Boeing. You cant blame the last 30 years on guys in office for 3 years or our trade practices which have cost us every major industry from garment to electronics to appliances to computers and now even software.

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 11/19/2008
- suemag I'm a Fan of suemag 8 fans permalink
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But they are the 3 idiots who flew to Washington on separate jets, right? Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. None of them get it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 11/19/2008

Usually when you take the CEO job, it comes with the blame. What do you think the golden parachute is for?

:-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 AM on 11/20/2008
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Boeing seems to be doing fine----ex-Boeing employee must mean he didn't measure up

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 11/20/2008
- Cinderpath I'm a Fan of Cinderpath 4 fans permalink

If you as a taxpayer want to be on the hook for $200 Billion, and 3 million people collecting unemployment, not paying taxes, and having the US Taxpayers pick pensions up for about another 3 million people that the government will pay for, then by all means save the $25 Billion to bail them out, and pay $200 Billion more in higher taxes.

There is a reason Obama supports this, and Republicans are against it: It'll push our economy into a depression, in which Republicans will have an opportunity to say Obama can't lead us. There are WAY more jobs connected to this (from engineering, to health care and advertising beyond manufacturing that will go down the tubes) than banking.

Go ahead sup[port Republicans-don't bail them out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 11/19/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 223 fans permalink

In the end it will cost 100 billion to bail them out. Thats a bargain compared to 160 billion for AIG who makes nothing. Or the 3 trillion that not bailing them out will ultimately cost along with a depression.

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 11/19/2008

Nice numbers you made up there. Too bad they are all wrong.

$3 trillion divided by 3 million employees (which already is an over-estimate) is one million a pop. Have you ever heard of a social program that paid $1 million to an unemployed person in the US?

Vippy, you are having a hard time with estimates, don't you? This one is waaaaaaaay off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 11/20/2008

Fear doesn't sell. It smells pretty stale, though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 AM on 11/20/2008
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The White House is against bailing out the automakers......I guess it's a good idea after all.

I mean they have a perfect record of being absolutely wrong about everything!

Come on.....every automaker in the world is currently crumbling.....the difference...their countries are bailing them out.

Us.....we bail out the quiche and caviar set with the secret handshakes......so the banks get bigger and and the citizens get the shaft....you blue-collar workers better get use to dog collars.....because you just don't make enough to matter.

But hey.....the good news.....how about some cake?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 11/19/2008

Toyota just made a profit. So what's your problem? Do you need to pretend that because your team plays poorly everybody on the league has to suck?

Please!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 11/19/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 223 fans permalink

They made a profit in japan, where the market is protected.


Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 11/19/2008
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How obtuse can you be....bonehead?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 PM on 11/19/2008
- topkatnc I'm a Fan of topkatnc 28 fans permalink
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All these people have done is raped this country. I saw these THREE STOOGES on NBC NEWS . They charter flights in for their testimony and they have the nerve to ask us to pay the bill ! And one person said it would mean THREE MILLION JOBS LOST. Looks like they have us over a barrel !!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 11/19/2008

If you actually believe that three million jobs will be lost (as compared to a more realistic 300,000), they just gave you the shaft, again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 11/19/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 223 fans permalink

300,000 is not realistic. Even 3 million will be a low number in the end. The snoball will roll.

Lets see some of your brilliance. Falling house prices such that in real constant dollars they are below 2000 prices is good. Half of Americas net worth lost is good, More of the notes held by finanicial instutions must be devalued more and thats good. Having to thus inject more cash into the finanical bailout is good. less property taxes for schools and city improvements is good. less city employees is good. Less people working and on welfare is good. More forclosures is good... The Great Depression was Good.


Its not often I hope a person loses all they have... but some times to become human there is a need. You have that need. A recession is when your neighbor is out of work and a depression is when you are out of work.

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 11/19/2008
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Car companies request €40bn loan from EU bank
Europe’s beleaguered auto industry is appealing for funding support from the EIB in the face of tumbling demand and scarce credit and is hoping for the adoption of ‘scrapping’ incentives - Nov-19

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 PM on 11/19/2008

And there is no guarantee that they will get it. If they will, there will be regulations and control.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 11/19/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 223 fans permalink

They will get it. it makes no sense to do a stimulus package of 150 billion.. and then lose your largest MFG employers and increase your trade deficits with more imports.

Heck 65% of the stimulus benefit went to China.

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 11/19/2008
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