California Supreme Court To Hear Cases Challenging Gay Marriage Ban

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LISA LEFF | November 19, 2008 09:13 PM EST | AP

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Rev. Amos Brown, a national board member of the NAACP, raises his hands as he speaks to a large crowd of supporters of same-sex marriage, as they cheer in front of San Francisco City Hall on Saturday, Nov. 15, 2008. Thousands of demonstrators gathered to listen to speakers and protest the passage of Proposition 8, a ballot measure amending California's constitution to ban same-sex marriage. The event is part of a simultaneous protest planned in in hundreds of communities. (AP Photo/Darryl Bush)

SAN FRANCISCO — California's highest court agreed Wednesday to hear several legal challenges to the state's new ban on same-sex marriage but refused to allow gay couples to resume marrying before it rules.

The California Supreme Court accepted three lawsuits seeking to nullify Proposition 8, a voter-approved constitutional amendment that overruled the court's decision in May that legalized gay marriage.

All three cases claim the measure abridges the civil rights of a vulnerable minority group. They argue that voters alone did not have the authority to enact such a significant constitutional change.

As is its custom when it takes up cases, the court elaborated little. However, the justices did say they want to address what effect, if any, a ruling upholding the amendment would have on the estimated 18,000 same-sex marriages that were sanctioned in California before Election Day.

Gay rights groups and local governments petitioning to overturn the ban were joined by the measure's sponsors and Attorney General Jerry Brown in urging the Supreme Court to consider whether Proposition 8 passes legal muster.

The initiative's opponents had also asked the court to grant a stay of the measure, which would have allowed gay marriages to begin again while the justices considered the cases. The court denied that request.

The justices directed Brown and lawyers for the Yes on 8 campaign to submit arguments by Dec. 19 on why the ballot initiative should not be nullified. It said lawyers for the plaintiffs, who include same-sex couples who did not wed before the election, must respond before Jan. 5.

Oral arguments could be scheduled as early as March, according to court spokeswoman Lynn Holton.

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"This is welcome news. The matter of Proposition 8 should be resolved thoughtfully and without delay," Brown said in a statement.

Both opponents and supporters of Proposition 8 expressed confidence Wednesday that their arguments would prevail. But they also agreed that the cases present the court's seven justices _ six of whom voted to review the challenges _ with complex questions that have few precedents in state case law.

Although more than two dozen states have similar amendments, some of which have survived similar lawsuits, none were approved by voters in a place where gay marriage already was legal.

Neither were any approved in a state where the high court had put sexual orientation in the same protected legal class as race and religion, which the California Supreme Court did when it rendered its 4-3 decision that made same-sex marriage legal in May.

Opponents of the ban argue that voters improperly abrogated the judiciary's authority by stripping same-sex couples of the right to wed after the high court earlier ruled it was discriminatory to prohibit gay men and lesbians from marrying.

"If given effect, Proposition 8 would work a dramatic, substantive change to our Constitution's 'underlying principles' of individual equality on a scale and scope never previously condoned by this court," lawyers for the same-sex couples stated in their petition.

The measure represents such a sweeping change that it constitutes a constitutional revision as opposed to an amendment, the documents say. The distinction would have required the ban's backers to obtain approval from two-thirds of both houses of the California Legislature before submitting it to voters.

Over the past century, the California Supreme Court has heard nine cases challenging legislative acts or ballot initiatives as improper revisions. The court eventually invalidated three of the measures, according to the gay rights group Lambda Legal.

Andrew Pugno, legal counsel for the Yes on 8 campaign, said he doubts the court will buy the revision argument in the case of the gay marriage ban because the plaintiffs would have to prove the measure alters the state's basic governmental framework.

Joel Franklin, a constitutional law professor at Monterey College of Law, said that even though the court rejected similar procedural arguments when it upheld amendments reinstating the death penalty and limiting property taxes, those cases do not represent as much of a fundamental change as Proposition 8.

"Those amendments applied universally to all Californians," Franklin said. "This is a situation where you are removing rights from a particular group of citizens, a class of individuals the court has said is entitled to constitutional protection. That is a structural change."

The trio of cases the court accepted were filed by six same-sex couples who have not yet wed, a Los Angeles lesbian couple who were among the first to tie the knot on June 16 and 11 cities and counties, led by the city of San Francisco.

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- Smith808 I'm a Fan of Smith808 11 fans permalink


As far as "traditional definition" goes...the parameters of marriage have evolved to such a degree that couples now marry for reasons of romantic love and mutual support (in fact, these aren't even necessary). To fulfill their "contract," couples are not required to procreate, nor are they required to maintain their contract (e.g., divorce). These “traditions” don’t apply to over 50% of marriages today. Such attitudes and behaviors are not “exclusive” to opposite-sex couples and make distinctions harder to justify. This is why many gays and lesbians have been able to view marriage as an endeavor not defined by gender, but as one defined by love, commitment, and mutual support.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 AM on 11/21/2008
- abbeyroad I'm a Fan of abbeyroad 30 fans permalink
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this was a chance for the LDS to align themselves with a major church
(the catholics - who they secretly despise).

their goal was to finally become "MAINSTREAM" in the eyes of the world.
the goal was to separate themselves from the fundamentalists.
-- their message was "one man one woman" marriage. GET IT ?

it was to make them appear "normal" in everyone's eyes.

BUT THEIR PLAN BLEW UP IN THEIR FACES !
they are absolutely stunned at the backlash and are really freaking out.

now they're in "damage control mode".

they have all their little "grassroots" devils all over the internet.
(we all know how organized and hard-working they are).


the mormon recruits (like "proudmormon") are trying to explain themselves.

and they are also looking at all the posts to get a "heads up" on any protests that will be happening or any posts that might cause them any trouble.

the mormons are watching you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 11/20/2008
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Let 'em watch! They are incapable of comprehending what they see before them, so blinkered by their own dogmas. They've no concept of what whirlwind they are reaping, the consequence of sowing the wind with ignorance and bigotry.

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 11/21/2008

REDEFINING TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE.......

Oh, God forbid!

If we hadn't re-defined 'traditional' marriage, women would still be the property of their husbands and Obama's mom & dad would never have been married.

What are you RELLY afraid of?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 11/20/2008
- luvobama I'm a Fan of luvobama 187 fans permalink

I have come to believe that there are some very vocal e vil people amongst us. There really isn't any other explanation. We just need to make sure the good guys win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 11/20/2008

Bravo! for the voice of reason.

If marriage hadnt been redefined across the centuries there would be a lot different than a "traditional" marriage that everyone is trying to defend today. Anyone who is defending the traditional marriage and has been divorced in the past or whose partner has been divorced STOP, without King Henry VIII being a womanizer and starting his own church divorce likely still would not be acceptable among religious types. So if you really dont want to redefine marriage AGAIN maybe you should take it all the way back to what a marriage, in the bible, was, between a man and woman of the same heritage and religious belief, where the woman is property of the man and there is no such thing as divorce.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 11/20/2008
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According to the California Supreme Court, The right for same sex couples in California has existed sense 1879, it just had not been exorcised.

It is Proposition 8 that would redefine marriage in California.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 PM on 11/20/2008
- Zeev10 I'm a Fan of Zeev10 2 fans permalink

The Mormon's are at it again .In 1995 they agreed to stop baptizing Jews who were killed in the holocaust and others. I guess even their signatures on an agreement are bogus because they are back at it once more. Liars?? Read for yourself . Stealing souls sounds like who??

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/11/11/baptizing.dead.jews.ap/index.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 11/20/2008

You have to realize that ONLY direct descendents are able to submit names.

If a Holocaust survivor's own children or spouse wants it to happen, what right does a national Jewish organization have to say otherwise, when they know nothing about the person?

The LDS church is fully abiding by their agreement, while respecting the ability of people to perform genealogy on their own ancestry, and to participate in their own religious activities.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 11/20/2008
- luvobama I'm a Fan of luvobama 187 fans permalink

And they created the likes of you. i would rather be anyone than you. You have nothing to offer anyone do you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 11/20/2008
- mercury613 I'm a Fan of mercury613 35 fans permalink
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"If a Holocaust survivor's own children or spouse wants it to happen, what right does a national Jewish organization have to say otherwise, when they know nothing about the person?"
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What right does a Mormon have to impose his/her religion on a dead person who can't protest?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 11/20/2008
- courtb I'm a Fan of courtb 19 fans permalink

Considering the Jewish victims of the Holocaust were brutally murdered for being Jewish, it's very insulting to posthumously take that away from them.

As a person of the Jewish faith, I found that article to be one of the most offensive things I have ever heard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 11/20/2008
- abbeyroad I'm a Fan of abbeyroad 30 fans permalink
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i think "proudmormon" has been drinking too much of the o'reilley kool-aid.

what religious wack-jobs and right-wing talk hosts call "activist judges" are nothing more than judges simply doing their job.
they are interpeting and upholding the laws of the constitution - SANS ANY TRACE OF RELIGION.

you can't get through to these religious fanatics. especially mormons.
they are extremely intellectually stubborn --- they refuse to acknowledge anything other than what the church teaches them.

it's pathetic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 11/20/2008
- luvobama I'm a Fan of luvobama 187 fans permalink

Their days are numbered just like all religions. We are evolving out of this ridiculous need to be governed by fanatics. Anyone who tells me they know what's best for me, is not to be trusted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 11/20/2008

When judges start declaring the Constitution itself unconstitutional, they have unlimited power, don't they?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 11/20/2008
- luvobama I'm a Fan of luvobama 187 fans permalink

for a while I thought you were just some closet case. Having thought about it, most closet cases would probably keep their opinions to themselves. Except for a few Men of the Church and Larry Craig.

Having said that, i really think you are one of the sic kest human beings I have come across. I now believe you are a mormon. You do not speak well for your religion. You are ha teful, un evolved and down right e vil. The only thing i can say, is i'm so glad I am not you or anyone who has to claim you. You are everything that is wrong with our society.

And guess what? There's no lunch break from your hideous personality. You have to be you 24/7.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 11/20/2008
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Your argument is an oversimplification, and you know it. You are purposely being misleading, and if there was a god, I don't think she'd appreciate you lying in her name.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 11/20/2008
- Smith808 I'm a Fan of Smith808 11 fans permalink

A polygamist still has a right to marry - just not a harem. Gays and lesbians do not have that right in CA. Polygamy is a "lifestyle;" homosexuality is an “identity.”

You are equating a "lifestyle" with core sexual orientation - as core an identity to me as heterosexuality is to you. The perception of homosexuality as based on a "lifestyle" or a "choice" is often the logic behind these comparisons (if gays can marry, so can ____(INSERT random group of stupid idiots). Marriage equality is not a lifestyle - but "marriage" is. If you want to criticize "behavior," you should criticize BAD marriages within your own religion.

Please, would you like to help me live MY "lifestyle?" #1) remind me to finally mail out the Netflix video #2) Please tell my grandparents YOU will now be taking over doctor visits & other official business (it would help if you spoke Vietnamese, otherwise, dramatic hand and facial gestures will work for the simple stuff like explaining “constipation” or “Second Notice.” #4) Please tell my neighbor (again) to stop letting his dog crap in my parking space #5) please take over my 65-hour work week so you can pay off my college loans. #6) I like my coffee piping hot and strong in the morning...chop chop.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 11/20/2008

I’m not sure I understand the logic behind the same-sex marriage movement in CA. From what I heard/read, civil unions in CA grant the same rights as married couples enjoy (which they should). So is this really a question of equal rights? If the definition of a civil union is “a union between two adults,” and the “traditional” definition of marriage is “a union between a man and a woman,” then how can a same sex couple be married without changing the definition of marriage? To illustrate, if you substitute the word “marriage” with its own traditional definition, the argument is that a gay/lesbian couple wants to be a union of one man and one woman. This is obviously impossible.

So it seems that the real movement is to redefine marriage to include gay and lesbian couples. This new definition of marriage would be “a union between two adults.” But isn’t this what same sex couples already have under civil unions? The logic of this argument hasn’t struck me yet.

Please feel free to correct me as I’m sure I’ve made some incorrect assumptions. I don’t have any particular leanings either way on the issue—I’m just a curious law student with too much time on my hands before finals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 11/20/2008
- DMSmith I'm a Fan of DMSmith 17 fans permalink

As a law student, you should understand the concept of separate but equal as being NOT equal. If not, don't expect to pass on to be a lawyer.
Also, although the stated intent of CA civil unions may be to impart all the rights of marriage...it does not. Something else you should understand as a potential lawyer.
Would YOU chose a civil union as opposed to marriage? Would you allow us to vote on YOUR right to marry?
That's what I thought. Now, go study more or you'll never become a lawyer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 11/20/2008

Yeah, isn't it funny how an amendment to reassert the traditionally accepted definition of Marriage in the California Constitution is attacked as a major "revision", which would require a 2/3 majority vote in the legislature, while a majority of 1 on the California Supreme Court is able to simple change the definition on its own without requiring any action by the Legislature, the Governor, or the citizens?

This judicial activism is asymmetric warfare. They play by their own rules while everyone else has a higher standard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 11/20/2008
- mercury613 I'm a Fan of mercury613 35 fans permalink
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From what I heard/read, civil unions in CA grant the same rights as married couples enjoy (which they should)."
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That's not the case. This link outlines the differences:

http://www.aclu.org/getequal/rela/california.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 11/20/2008

"No, Florida didn't take rights *away* from gays that were already established--the way they did in CA. That said, Prop 8 has energized this civil rights movement and we will see Florida allowing gay marriages as well--because we WILL fight for the ideals of this nation: Equal rights for ALL."

Why?? Because you're gonna force it on voters?? C'mon now. The voters have spoken... They voted in BOTH locations to change their constitution to stop gay marriage.. Florida didn't even give it a chance to get out the box..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 11/20/2008

A slim majority of activist judges extended rights to gays that were never approved by any other branch of government. They created rights out of thin air. Remember that through this process the courts first issued an injunction stopping marriages from taking place. Then they ruled that the marriages were legal. Then they ruled that they were illegal. Then they ruled by a 1 vote margin that they were legal again.

The courts are behaving like schizophrenics, with all their flip-flopping and second-guessing and overturning.

The only CLARITY on this issue has come directly from the voters, twice now.

If you want to blame someone for granting and then rescinding rights, don't blame the voters. Blame the courts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 11/20/2008
- LAJonathan I'm a Fan of LAJonathan 3 fans permalink

You say that the voters have spoken twice now. Since your church spend millions of dollars on lying, manipulative, hateful campaigns perhaps you should do it honestly and see what happens. The voter speak when they know the facts and your church told them a host of lies to manipulate them into voting with you. THAT IS NOT DEMOCRACY "Proud Mormon" - how holy of you to call yourself that. Sick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 11/20/2008
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Blame the courts? If it weren't for the Supreme Court ruling in Loving vs. Virginia, my wife and I could not be married in 16 states, nor have our marriage recognized by those states, based solely on the fact that our skin colours are different.

Schizophrenic? Where did you receive your training in Psychology? Your Psychiatric certification (MD)? I know where I got mine.

The Bill of Rights, the Constitution created "rights out of thin air" as you purport, and gays -yes, gays- have *died* in defense of those liberties, died in the service of our country fighting for the liberties of the likes of bigots such as yourself to deny them the right to marry the person they love, for no other excuse than your own, personal religious beliefs backed up with specious arguments about "lifestyles" grounded in nothing but *ignorance* and *fear.*

Clarity indeed.

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

PROTESTant

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 11/20/2008
- gaydm I'm a Fan of gaydm 8 fans permalink
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You might want to read Florida's amendment 2 again, and read it slowly so you do not miss the profound change that is going to rock all Floridians. Do not blame gays or activist judges for what will befall ALL the married couple have there marriages invalidated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 11/20/2008
- Smith808 I'm a Fan of Smith808 11 fans permalink

It was an "activist judge" that refused to hear cases that would have rendered the CA ballot illegal (which it was).
Please, don't call judges who don't inject religious bias into their decisions, "activist."

It cuts both ways...by your logic, there are "activist judges" on the Supreme Court.

"They created rights out of the air..."
14th Amendment. Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 11/20/2008
- gaydm I'm a Fan of gaydm 8 fans permalink
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Florida didn't take away rights already established for gays, but they dang sure have taken them away now for straights. Read slowly and read very very carefully and you will see the error of your thinking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 11/20/2008
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...SOME voters have spoken. OTHERS think differently.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 11/21/2008
- bannorhill I'm a Fan of bannorhill 28 fans permalink

A majority of voters have spoken.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 11/24/2008

back
in the day
when the lightening rod was first discovered
the church's were the last
dead last
to install them
in fact they insisted on sending this poor damned bell ringer to the tower
to tell god where the church was
church tower?
metal bell ?

that didn't work either !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 11/20/2008

Didn't Florida also pass an Amendment 2 that did the same thing Prop 8 did??

WOW - the voters are really speaking out about this. Florida can be pretty Liberal as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 11/20/2008

The same voters would get mad if someone told them they could not get married to the person of their choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 11/20/2008
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No, Florida didn't take rights *away* from gays that were already established--the way they did in CA. That said, Prop 8 has energized this civil rights movement and we will see Florida allowing gay marriages as well--because we WILL fight for the ideals of this nation: Equal rights for ALL.

It will happen. We will not rest until there is justice for all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 11/20/2008
- gaydm I'm a Fan of gaydm 8 fans permalink
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Florida is fixing to lose all marriages except for ONE, based on amendment 2. If I were a Florida resident I would be getting my but out on the streets right now to repeal that amendment, before I take all your marriages from you. Gay and straight marriage is banned, if you want your marriage give California gays back there marriage. From the Florida constitution I quote "inasmuch as marriage is the legal union of ONLY one man and one woman as husband and wife, no other legal union that is treated as marriage or the substantial equivalent thereof shall be valid or recognized."
Bye, Bye, all marriages except whichever one the court allows. don't forget you also have a state DOMA law that backs up your amendment 2. If it is perfectly legal to remove California's already established gay marriages then goodbye Florida's already granted and future straight, and gay marriage, civil unions and whatever kinds of legal unions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 11/20/2008
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Not a state renowned for legislative wisdom.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 11/20/2008
- mercury613 I'm a Fan of mercury613 35 fans permalink
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"Florida can be pretty Liberal as well."

Not true. There are some liberal areas in Florida, but overall it's not a liberal state at all. It voted Republican in 8 of the last 10 Presidential elections.

Get your facts straight before you try to spread propaganda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 PM on 11/20/2008
- luvobama I'm a Fan of luvobama 187 fans permalink

That person will never get their facts straight. it messes up their talking points.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 11/20/2008
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Vote caging... hanging chads.... Florida state troopers accused of threatening voters in predominately minority rural counties.... Hmmmm... I see why Florida "voted" Republican so many times...

Get the facts straight indeed (pardon the pun)...

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 11/21/2008
- gaysofla I'm a Fan of gaysofla 11 fans permalink

We're proud of our Mayor here in Miami Beach! While the world is talking about and protesting Proposition 8, Florida voters just enshrined the more restrictive Amendment 2 that may very well threaten domestic partner benefits and legal protection for gays. This efffectively makes gays 2nd class citizens so, to the back of the bus kids! Thankfully, we do have some leaders in our state who are working to fight this.Mayor Matti Bower joined over 500 gay rights supporters last Saturday on the steps of Miami Beach City Hall to protest the recent passage of Amendment 2. Now enshrined in the state’s constitution, the provision limits the rights of unmarried couples and endangers the benefits currently granted to registered domestic partners. To read more: http://www.gaysofla.com/content/view/425/50/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 AM on 11/20/2008
- nochange I'm a Fan of nochange 4 fans permalink

why is it more important tp protest gay marriage which im not against at all...then to protest the war or the 5 trillion that is being stolen as we speak?? just curious

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 11/20/2008
- nochange I'm a Fan of nochange 4 fans permalink

this shouldnt be an issue.........its none of anyones business what you do with your life

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 11/20/2008
- Apov I'm a Fan of Apov 13 fans permalink

It isn't more important.
It is just as important.

As we have spent so much time squabbling about beliefs, the foxes have invaded the hen house.
We have enabled this by our pettiness.

Do you believe that all men are created equal?
Do you believe that you deserve the same rights as your fellow citizens?
Do you believe in equal treatment under the laws of our country?
Do you believe in freedom from or of religion?

Are the religious beliefs of those denominations that preform same-sex marriages being violated?

If their religious beliefs can be voted on then it seems that all religious beliefs are now open to popular vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 11/20/2008

We can do more than one thing at a time. It's called multitasking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 11/20/2008
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You are tho only one suggesting that it is. Silly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 11/20/2008
- mercury613 I'm a Fan of mercury613 35 fans permalink
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TheBlackCat stated in another thread:

"We don't stop prosecuting rape because murder exists. We don't stop fighting asthma because cancer exists."

I trust that answers your question.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 11/20/2008

Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. It does nothing to further the cause of equal rights for us to make negative statements about anyone's religious beliefs. What we need to do is focus our attention and efforts on the fact that the members of Protect Marriage (the catholic church, the mormon church and others) have used their collective power to restrict the definition of civil marriage and to force their religious beliefs upon everyone else, in effect, making their religious beliefs part of the California constitution. Our country was founded upon constitutional civil rights, to be guarded by the courts, in order to protect a minority from the tyranny of the majority. Hopefully the court will do its job.

http://quasisuspectclass.wordpress.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 11/20/2008

The voters have spoken. Yes on 8 has passed., give it a rest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 AM on 11/20/2008
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Not too interested in how law works, no?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 AM on 11/20/2008
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DontBeFoolish is from the "Sarah Palin" branch of the Rethug Party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 11/20/2008
- Apov I'm a Fan of Apov 13 fans permalink

Might does not make right.

There will be no rest until justice is served.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 11/20/2008
- Quaoar I'm a Fan of Quaoar 28 fans permalink
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Yes, the voters have spoken, by a narrow 52-48 margin. Next time it comes up for a vote, gay marriage will become legal again in California. It's only a matter of time. How does it feel to be on the wrong side of history?

As for giving it a rest, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, and other GOP shills don't seem to be giving it a rest even though the voters spoke and Obama was elected. There's no reason for gay marriage advocates to be silent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 11/20/2008
- 1099 I'm a Fan of 1099 6 fans permalink

If 52% - 48% is a slim margin, would it be fair to say that Obama only won the election by a little bit because he won 51% - 49%? I don't think so.

Also, if Prop 8 had passed by a larger margin, say 65% - 35%, would you consider it less of a violation of gays civil rights? I don't think so.

Finally, can you see the future? I assume you do since you seem to know how history is going to judge the issue of gay marriage. Can you send me the Powerball numbers?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 11/20/2008
- DMSmith I'm a Fan of DMSmith 17 fans permalink

That's the stupidest thing I've read in years!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 11/20/2008
- luvobama I'm a Fan of luvobama 187 fans permalink

Read all the posts. Proud Mormon makes the Foolish one sound down right Mensa material.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 11/20/2008

Hey Proud M0r0n

Like Joseph Smith, If I put magic stones in a hat, cover my face and tell you I'm deciphering gold plates that I swear are in a box in front of me covered by cloth (but I can't show you because it would mean your death) and those plates said gay marriage is acceptable - you'd be all for it! Right??

That's the story of your Joe Smith - the beginning for your whacked belief system.

Now, where the heck did I put my magic underwear?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 AM on 11/20/2008
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Interested in knowing who were THE REAL PERPETRATORS OF VIOLENCE during the Prop 8 protests?

ARTICLE: Mormons assault two and send them to the hospital.
http://laist.com/2008/11/07/2_protesters_sent_to_hospital_after.php

VIDEO from KTLA: Mormons assault three and send them to the hospital.
http://www.ktla.com/pages/video/?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=3112230

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 AM on 11/20/2008
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