Bill's Lucrative Speaking Engagements Create Potential Conflicts For Hillary

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First Posted: 11-20-08 10:59 PM   |   Updated: 12-21-08 05:12 AM

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It would be interesting to know how the average New York voter would respond when told that during the past three years their Senator and her spouse personally received $2.1 million from such major banks as Goldman Sachs ($800,000), Lehman Bros. ($300, 000), Citigroup ($425,000) and Deutsche Bank ($300,000).

The money -- honoraria payments to former President Clinton -- demonstrate that the conflicts between Bill Clinton's multi-million dollar financial entanglements and his wife's possible selection as Secretary of State are just as relevant in the case of the elected office Hillary Clinton currently holds, raising to front and center the same glaring conflicts of interest that have gone largely overlooked during Hillary's eight years in the Senate.

Sources close to the Clintons sought to justify the ex-president's speaking fees by noting that wealthy spouses of other Senators, including the wives of John Kerry of Massachusetts and John McCain of Arizona, have multi-million dollar fortunes, often invested in the stocks of companies that stand to gain or lose as a result of tax and regulatory decisions made by Congress.

Still, the Clintons' situation has some particularly egregious aspects. The New York Senator has been as much the beneficiary as her husband of the up to $10 million a year in honoraria Bill has earned. Almost all of the Clintons' assets are held jointly, and they file a joint income tax return.

The potential for conflict of interest in this situation is most easily visible in the case of major legislation presently under consideration in Washington. If Hillary stays in the Senate, the most pressing issue will be the financial crisis. She has already voted for the $700 billion bailout bill, which is likely to be only the first step in federal attempts to pull the economy out of its nosedive.

According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Senator Clinton has not only received campaign contributions from the investment and securities industries -- industries with huge stakes in the outcome of measures almost certain to be taken up in 2009-10 -- but Bill and Hillary together have also taken as personal income, for their own use, millions of dollars paid to Bill in the form of honoraria, running from $125,000 to $325,000 for a single speech to interest groups directly affected by his wife's legislative position. The Clintons are not alone in the practice, but they have raised the stakes to unprecedented heights. In 2006, for example, Joe Lieberman's wife spoke to the Jewish Community Relations Council in Philadelphia, the Jewish Federation of Central Alabama, and the Junior League of Dayton making a total of $34,000 --- chump change compared to the $10,232,000 (yes, that's ten million+) Bill Clinton made in honoraria the same year.

Looking just at the finance industry over the past three years, in 2007 three major investment banking firms -- Goldman Sachs, Lehman Bros. and Citigroup - already on center stage in the financial downturn, each paid Bill Clinton $150,000, for a total of $450,000, for single speeches to company officials and their guests. The year before that, 2006, the Mortgage Bankers Association, Citigroup and Lehman paid Clinton a total of $600,000. In 2005, Deutsche Bank paid $300,000 for two speeches; Goldman Sachs paid $525,000 for three appearances in Paris, Greensboro, Ga. and Kiawah Island, S.Car. In 2004, Bill Clinton's honoraria included $250,000 from Citigroup and $125,000 from Goldman Sachs.

This $2.25 million does not include payments to Bill Clinton from such closely-related firms as Swedish industrial holding company Investor AB ($325,000), Dutch real estate investment company OVG Rotterdam ($250,000); U.S. real estate developer Cushman and Wakefield ($300,000); General Motors ($200,000) which is pleading for a piece of the bailout; the National Apartment Association ($150.000); the National Association of Realtors ($125,000); the Standard Bank of South Africa ($150,000); and the National Multi-Housing Council ($150,000).

The involvement of the financial and real estate sectors in domestic politics is immense, no matter which way you look at it. So far this year, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, the investment and securities industry has given a total of $53 million in campaign contributions to federal candidates; and real estate has put up $51.1 million. The courts have ruled that these contributions do not, except under highly unusual circumstances, constitute bribes or illegal gratuities; instead, they are simply part of the business of serving in public office.

Philippe Reines, Senator Clinton's spokesman, responded to an inquiry regarding any potential conflict of interest between her large income from honoraria paid to her husband by the industries which are subject to regulation (or largesse) noted that the Senator "files an annual personal financial disclosure, which delineates every penny President Clinton receives from speaking, as well as every general income source. The whole point of requiring the 535 members to do that annually is to provide transparency." Asked whether the millions of dollars in direct payments from finance and real estate companies to Bill Clinton pose an ethical dilemma for Senator Clinton when she votes on measures such as the $700 billion bailout bill, which provides subsidies to the same firms which pay her husband, Reines said the "example of the bailout is misleading, in that every member who voted for it benefits in some way from saving the financial system from collapse - unless they keep their life's worth in gold ingots."

It would be interesting to know how the average New York voter would respond when told that during the past three years their Senator and her spouse personally received $2.1 million from such major ba...
It would be interesting to know how the average New York voter would respond when told that during the past three years their Senator and her spouse personally received $2.1 million from such major ba...
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Wouldn't it be nice if the political slate was wiped clean, and we had new leadership as detached from all other previous administrations as possible? A breath of pure, fresh air is really needed right now. Let Hillary tend to her hedge funds I say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 11/21/2008

If Obama is serious about selecting HRC for the SOS position, then his vetting team must be fully aware that there was a HEARING on the Clinton's ongoing lawsuit in LA Superior Court, this morning (08:31 PST). http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil The Civil Case Number is: BC304174

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 11/21/2008
- Yman I'm a Fan of Yman 4 fans permalink

Yes - and they're well aware of the fact that Peter Paul is a fraud and four-time convicted felon, and his suit is a thoroughly debunked joke.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/crooked_claims_about_clinton.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 11/21/2008

Then it begs the question -- why was HRC involved campaign financial dealings with a "fraudster" in the first place -- eh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 11/21/2008

geeesh
stop the charade and let both of them continue to do whatever they want..it will happen anyway

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 11/21/2008
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 44 fans permalink

MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING...­.........F­act: Bill has a RIGHT to make a living too. And a RIGHT to get paid for speaking just like all the other politicians, sports stars, VIP's, celebrities, etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 11/21/2008
- rubinoff I'm a Fan of rubinoff 54 fans permalink

So why are they moaning about the cost of her campaign? ....They'r­e got the money to pay it...At one point, some thought O should contribute­...how dumb is that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 11/21/2008
- Nan2008 I'm a Fan of Nan2008 6 fans permalink

OH. FOR. GAWDS SAKE. This like calling Bill a racists when Bill said someone's name. WTF, does his speaking fees have to WITH HILLARY'S APPOINTMENT TO THE SOS POSITION? I tell you WHAT, NOTHING...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 11/21/2008
- Sundialsvc4 I'm a Fan of Sundialsvc4 140 fans permalink

I find these arguments to be unsustainable. They are little more than envy.

Okay... so they're rich. So is everybody else at the top tier in Washington.

Dr. Rice is also very rich.

Gen. Colin Powell ain't hurtin' either.

When you are wealthy and successful because people are willing to pay good money to listen to what you have to say, it also means that you probably also know how to handle money.

The position of Secretary of State, should Sen. Clinton choose to accept it, is foremost a diplomatic position that requires expert knowledge of the law. You -are- the front-man for all of America in matters of diplomacy. "How rich you are" should neither be a qualification or a disqualification for the post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 11/21/2008
- Kassandra I'm a Fan of Kassandra 98 fans permalink
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People forget that both Obama AND the Clintons came up the hard way; on sheer talent/hard work. Maybe that's why they like each other.

If I were her, I'd stay in the Senate and help craft the healthcare bill......­but I'm not her.

Plus, I'd like to see anybody here who would refuse adequate compensation for thier expertise at this point...an­ybody?????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 11/21/2008

Leave him alone. He has many cheeseburgers to buy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 11/21/2008
- terkid I'm a Fan of terkid 9 fans permalink
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I'd say that the tens of millions Bill has amassed in the past few years is enough on which

to live rather comfortably- financially, that is. But, more than the money- Bill lives on the

recognition and adoration his "price-tags" signify. One would think that he has the material

capacity to relinquish this deluge of dollars, but what about emotionally? This is something,

he would have had to do anyway had Hillary "gone all the way." So, cash-out for the time being,

Bill and let Hill have her day. Question is: if not globe-romping for big bucks, what will he do?

The answer is something, one would think, he should have figured out by now-- had he had

any real confidence in Hill's climb to higher office. Hmmm.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 11/21/2008
- rubinoff I'm a Fan of rubinoff 54 fans permalink

Live comfortably???? are you joshing...­.these people are worth 100M...the­y can 'live in grand style.' What is their problem anyway, is Bill trying to make up to Hill all of the wrongs he has done in their marriage, most women would have left him long ago...But, then, I don't think they have much of a marriage..­.just for appearance sake....Th­ey appear like two guys in competition with one another for the power and the glory....O­r maybe they have so much on one another, that no one dare make a move....Ju­st wondering here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 11/21/2008
- terkid I'm a Fan of terkid 9 fans permalink
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... all valid issues-of-question, rubinoff. Theirs is more a merger than a marriage.

However, they are reaching the point at which it's getting difficult to reconcile

their respective (if not respectable) "brands." There is an unsettling aura of

competition to their current folle au deux. But, the shrinking of Bubba's ego

potential of "conflicts" is a tough charge. Who knows, perhaps the higher

she goes, the lower his "mood" goes. I've always thought that "the Bill thing"

is one of Hill's toughest loads - but they better figure it out fast!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 AM on 11/22/2008
- Kassandra I'm a Fan of Kassandra 98 fans permalink
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I guess alot of people were barely conscious while Bill was President. I seem to remember the country was in pretty great shape back then. We had a balanced budget, a surplus in fact. The social programs were funded and monopolies weren't running the country. We had respect in the world and the only military conflict was used to put down a very tricky situation in Bosnia.

Then Newt and Tom and the usual suspects got into Congress in 2004 with their "Contract on America" and here we find ourselves, a third world country with unimaginable debts and all our resources sold to foreign governments.

Oh yeah, and Bill stopped Al Quaida BEFORE they could blow up the World Trade Center. What a terrible guy. GASP! He passed NAFTA as a trial balloon. Off with his head!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 AM on 11/21/2008

gee, how sad that not even the Clintons can have it all. Whew

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 11/21/2008
- CAPlatt I'm a Fan of CAPlatt 3 fans permalink

Surprise, Surprise!!! Come on people - this has been out there as news for a long time and no one said anything about it, and now the fact that Bill pals around with and gets paid by the same coterie of wealthy idiots who put us in the financial ditch is astounding? If Obama lets Hillary in as State he is buying a heap of trouble. Forget the Lincoln model Barack, this is one enemy you don't want to keep closer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 AM on 11/21/2008
- tech7 I'm a Fan of tech7 2 fans permalink

The American people are such morons, pay to here a this guy speak, keep watching your soaps and
living in fantasy world. Thats why we treated as we do by the Government, they absolutely no respect
for us. Do you blame them? Go buy some pet rocks and be happy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 AM on 11/21/2008

So the ol' free market is at work here. Org A wants to hear Person B speak. B says pay me this much, and A says OK. It's a job.

Why A would pay B that much is beyond my ability to understand--but then, I'm still trying to scrape up enough $ to pay next month's health insurance premium, so what do I know?

What did B say to A? Did B say, "You're effing up the world for the middle class, now stop that"? Or did B take his fee and just stroke A's ego?

The rich are always going to get richer, right? But what do they talk about while the money changes hands? That's what I'd like to know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 AM on 11/21/2008

This is why Hillary do not need to be the Secretary of State, because her and Bill is too greedy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 AM on 11/21/2008

THIS is why we need an excellent Sec. of Education! lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 AM on 11/21/2008
- datone I'm a Fan of datone 3 fans permalink

...and along with flyguy, perhaps Hillary can convince the Secretary of Education to teach concernvoter how to write a coherent sentence

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 AM on 11/21/2008

On one side we believe in capitalism, and on the other we question the hefty fees that Bill Clinton received as speaking engagements. That is ridiculous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 AM on 11/21/2008
- DesertZ I'm a Fan of DesertZ 2 fans permalink

I agree. It's hypocrisy just because it's the Clintons. Everybody take a deep breath. Hillary will make a great Secretary of State and will go a long way to restoring America's tarnished stature in the world and President Elect Obama knows it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 11/21/2008
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