Iraqi Shiites burn Bush effigy in anti-US protest

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HAMZA HENDAWI | November 21, 2008 05:35 PM EST | AP

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Followers of Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr burn the American flag as thousands converge at Firdous Square in central Baghdad, Iraq for a mass prayer to protest a proposed U.S.-Iraqi security pact on Friday, Nov. 21, 2008. (AP Photo/Khalid Mohammed)

BAGHDAD — Chanting "no to America," supporters of a radical Shiite cleric burned an effigy of President George W. Bush Friday in a protest demanding parliament scuttle a U.S.-Iraqi security pact and American troops begin withdrawing from Iraq immediately.

The demonstration drew nearly 20,000 followers of Muqtada al-Sadr to Firdous Square, the same spot where U.S. Marines toppled a statue of Saddam Hussein and exultant Iraqis pummeled it with debris in what became an iconic image of the fall of Baghdad and the end of the dictator's 23-year rule.

Friday's protest was the latest display of opposition to an accord that could push Iraq into new political turmoil even though the ruling coalition appears to have enough parliamentary votes to narrowly approve the deal.

Parliament is scheduled to vote on the pact Monday, but presidential spokesman Naseer al-Ani told Iraq's Sharqiyah television that the vote might be delayed until after the Muslim feast of Eid al-Adha, which falls in early December.

"It will need more time. Perhaps until after Eid al-Adha," he told the station. The legislature is expected to go into recess this month ahead of Eid al-Adha, when scores of lawmakers travel to Saudi Arabia for the Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca.

The pact establishes a timeline for the withdrawal of U.S. forces from cities by June 30 and the entire country by 2011. It places U.S. forces under tight Iraqi control and gives the Iraqis limited powers to put American soldiers and civilian Pentagon employees on trial in cases of serious crimes committed off-base and off-duty.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has said the agreement offers Iraq the only viable option to regain full sovereignty. The alternative would be to seek the renewal of a U.N. mandate that, he said, allows U.S. forces a free rein in the country. The mandate expires Dec. 31.

But none of that mattered Friday at Firdous Square, where protesters waved Iraqi flags and green Shiite banners and chanted: "No, no to the agreement of humiliation!"

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Al-Sadr, who is based in Iran, did not attend. But in a sermon read to the crowd by an aide, he criticized the government and described America as "the enemy of Islam."

"The government must know that it is the people who help it through the good and the bad times. If it throws the occupier out, all the Iraqi people will stand by it," al-Sadr said, using common rhetoric for the United States.

Organizers placed an effigy of Bush on the same pedestal where the giant Saddam statue stood before it was knocked down on April 9, 2003. A sign attached to the effigy described the pact as "shame and humiliation."

After a mass prayer, demonstrators pelted the Bush effigy with plastic water bottles and shoes. One man standing on the pedestal hit it in the face with his sandal.

The effigy fell into the crowd and protesters jumped on it before setting it ablaze as the crowd erupted with chants of "Allahu Akbar," or "God is great." Several U.S. flags were also burned.

The demonstration followed two days of raucous protests in the 275-seat parliament by al-Sadr loyalists who disrupted readings of the proposed pact by shouting and pounding their desks.

Al-Sadr's influence in Iraq has dipped compared to the days when his militiamen battled U.S. forces in Baghdad and across southern Iraq in 2004, and when they were seen as protectors of Shiites against Sunni militants at the height of the sectarian violence in 2006 and 2007.

His movement's popularity suffered with the involvement of some militiamen in protection and black market rackets, as well as general fatigue from the on-again, off-again fighting. It has retained a loyal base of support in Baghdad and the Shiite south, largely because of nationalist credentials and the perceived failure of rival Shiite parties to improve services.

Al-Ani, the presidential spokesman, acknowledged al-Sadr's group enjoys the sympathy of "not an insignificant segment" of the population.

"As long as they remain a part of the political process, they can say what they want," he said after President Jalal Talabani and representatives of several political blocs met to discuss the security pact.

If the vote were held Monday, the pact seems headed to a narrow victory in the fractious legislature, a prospect that could deepen Iraq's political divisions and deal a serious setback to reconciliation efforts.

The country's most influential Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, has indicated the agreement would only be acceptable if it passes with a big majority.

But that seems unlikely now. With all votes from parliament's main Shiite and Kurdish blocs _ the senior partners in al-Maliki's coalition _ the government can muster just over 140 seats, a few above the simple majority threshold.

Such a narrow margin would cast doubt on the pact's legitimacy and could prompt al-Sistani to speak against it. If he does, the agreement would be buried.

It is unclear how the government's Sunni Arab partners, the Iraqi Accordance Front, will vote. Its 44 lawmakers could give the government the respectable margin of victory it seeks, but leaders of the bloc are making their approval conditional on a package of reforms to give their once-dominant community a bigger say in running the country.

Al-Maliki said he was surprised by the Sunni demands and suggested they were tantamount to political blackmail.

The Sadrists, who have 30 lawmakers in parliament, are leading the camp that opposes the security deal, which includes the Shiite Fadhila party with 15 seats and a small Sunni bloc with 11 seats. There is no firm word on how the remaining 30 or so lawmakers would vote.

If the accord passes the legislature, it will go to the president and his two deputies for ratification. Each has veto power.

Senior members of al-Sadr's movement acknowledge the agreement is likely to pass, but see gains in the political storm around it.

"If the agreement passes with a small majority, it will be a defeat for those who sponsored it," said Salah al-Obeidi, al-Sadr's spokesman.

The Sadrists are looking beyond the agreement, hoping their intense opposition will translate into votes in provincial elections slated for Jan. 31 and a general election late next year.

BAGHDAD — Chanting "no to America," supporters of a radical Shiite cleric burned an effigy of President George W. Bush Friday in a protest demanding parliament scuttle a U.S.-Iraqi security pact...
BAGHDAD — Chanting "no to America," supporters of a radical Shiite cleric burned an effigy of President George W. Bush Friday in a protest demanding parliament scuttle a U.S.-Iraqi security pact...
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You took ONE hit on 9/11 and your retaliation put a whole region on fire, killed, maimed, crippled thousands and thousands of innocent people. I guess no American will be safe in the middle east for generations to come. How would you feel if your country was invaded, your infrastructure and your lives destroyed and your people driven to live in refugee camps in Canada and Mexico ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 11/22/2008
- digdeeper I'm a Fan of digdeeper 18 fans permalink

Well said. Most Americans have never had the experience of being invaded by another country , or had relatives killed and maimed by invaders weapons, except for Pearl Harbour and 9/11 and I don't discount the pain felt by people involved in those atrocities
I do know what it feels like from my own bitter experience, and believe me for the most part, those that are invaded and suffer at the hands of the invaders come to HATE & LOATH them and with such residual anger
. It takes a very long time to forgive and believe me you never forget, because you relive it everytime you see the news from countries like Iraq and Afghanistan.
There is so much unpicking to do to restore respect for the US and sadly it will take many many years.
The US is seen by many as a blot on the landscape. It should never have been like this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 11/22/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 254 fans permalink
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False premise. There is no military force on earth that could successfully invade the US.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 11/22/2008
- tbone99 I'm a Fan of tbone99 88 fans permalink

Obviously they don't need to - we seem intent on destroying ourselves

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 11/22/2008
- tbone99 I'm a Fan of tbone99 88 fans permalink

the SURGE IS WORKING!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 11/22/2008
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And Dana Perino just said in a press conference how we can celebrate a "victory" in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 11/22/2008
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It seems like the whole world is happy to see Dictator Bush go. Certain things in History never change:

AUTHORITARIAN LEADERS LIKE BUSH ALWAYS GET A HARD FALL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 AM on 11/22/2008
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We are all praying for the HARD FALL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 11/22/2008

You can have him if you want, after 20 Jan.

Looks like Obama is seen as the liberator !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 11/22/2008

They want the USA out, that includes Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 11/22/2008
- shockmagog I'm a Fan of shockmagog 137 fans permalink
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"I don't get it..."

--clueless wingnuts

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 11/22/2008

Is that a DAMN US FLAG they are burning? I've pretty much had enough of Iraq. Our soldiers died for their freedoms and they burn our flag because they are mad at Bush. Hell, were mad at Bush and them, but you don't see us burning their flag or ours. If they dislike Bush, then grab his picture and burn it, not our flag. Damn Ingrates......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 11/21/2008
- StillIRise I'm a Fan of StillIRise 546 fans permalink
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I guess they could say the same about us. If we don't like Al Qaida, then maybe we should stop treating all Muslims as terrorists, or defaming the religion of Islam or even looking upon all Iraqis or people from the gulf region as the enemy, or calling everyone we kill Al Qaida to justify our killings, or blowing up their communities to target one or two "bad" people who may be living or loitering in the community, like we blew up Baghdad to take out Sadaam ... all of which is probably just as sacred to them as our flag is to us!

Our flag is a symbol ... their culture, their country and the lives of their countrymen are far more consequential losses than the burning of a cloth flag.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 11/21/2008


Ya Know StillRise, I understand you’re hurt, and your pain to a point. As a U.S. Citizen, I sincerely apologize. However, the Iraqi people have to learn how to fight for their freedoms. Those so called 1 or 2 bad people that are hiding behind these good people, are threats to the entire world.

I think you live in this country, so you need to familiarize yourself with what a crime it is to "Harbor Wanted Fugitives". These so called 1 or 2 bad people are KILLERS & MURDERERS of many innocent men, women & children throughout the world and all you can see them as is bad people. You need put an emphasis on BAD PEOPLE. These are horrible people, fighting for a right to be free to suppress another person’s rights to be FREE or think and play as they like. If you can find one that is not scarred out of her mind with fear, ask a Muslim women how free they truly are in their own country.

Again, the Iraqi people need to see the real enemy for whom he/she is and fight back. This foolish notion that the U.S. believes that all Muslim people are bad, is ridiculous propaganda. Muslim people were in the U.S. long before 911 and lived quite well out here. In fact, I don't think I know of a Muslim ghetto anywhere in the U.S, how many ghettos do you know of in Muslim countries? Think About It!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 AM on 11/22/2008
- 4peace I'm a Fan of 4peace 8 fans permalink

Damn ingrates - I'll say, they should be very thankful that we shocked and awed them into the stone age, tortured prisoners, destroyed the infrastructure of their country, drove hundreds of thousands - if not millions - from their homes, and murdered thousands and thousands of innocent men, women, and children.

DontBeFoolish, your ignorance is astounding. I'm pretty sure the Iraqi's have pretty much had enough of US. Died for their freedom - you have GOT to be kidding me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 11/22/2008

No your Ignorance and self-centered thinking is astounding. I am not saying what Bush got us into over there is right. However, burning a flag that represents the people of America, condemns us all of these bar barrack acts, and this is simply not a true.

Not every American is responsible for what our foolish president has gotten us into. However, some of your people were just as equally culpable by asking for their freedom from Saddam. Everyone knows that the Bush's disliked Saddam, by your people explaining their horrors of Saddam and his family, and then pleading helplessly for their freedom of a tyrant, was like putting the match to the powder keg. Your people have some responsibility for us being over there as well.

As a U.S. Citizen, I am truly sorry for this great debacle of our Government & current President. However, if I looked at things like you do, then every Muslim should be held responsible for 911 and any hijacking prior to 911 and after. Right? Think about it!

That flag is the reason why you and I can converse like this, and our government doesn't arrest, torture or even kill you for speaking out against them. That so called symbol as you say, keeps your freedoms alive. Respect It, because if goes away, then we are all in a world of hurt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 AM on 11/22/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 254 fans permalink
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It's the al-Sadr dead-enders having a demonstration and they do stuff like this every few weeks.
They do it to rally their supporters in America.

Don't mean nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 AM on 11/22/2008
- loki I'm a Fan of loki 128 fans permalink
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And they will great us as their saviors , waving US flags and tossing roses into the streets as the invading US forces blast their way into the streets of their country...

Oh, how many times can the republicans be wrong, and still think they are doing the correct thing?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 11/21/2008
- missnina I'm a Fan of missnina 4 fans permalink

burn baby burn!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 11/21/2008

amen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 PM on 11/21/2008
- jneems I'm a Fan of jneems 13 fans permalink
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If the Iraqis had any hope of an Obama administration ending the fiasco in their country, they will continue to be frustrated and disappointed. The Obama team is made up of hawks. My heart goes out to the Iraqi people. How I wish Obama would put an end to this misadventure. But he won't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 11/21/2008
- GlenRast I'm a Fan of GlenRast 31 fans permalink
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Nobody can end it. Shiites and Sunnis will still hate each other as they have for hundreds of years. The Kurds still want their own country carved out of northern Iraq and southern Turkey. And to top it off not only has no group surrendered any weapons but they've been stocking even more. No one will know what will happen to Iraq until we leave. Then they'll either learn to live with each other or kill each other. The best thing for us to do would be to get off of a petroleum based economy as quick as possible so when they do blow each other up it will effect us less.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 11/21/2008
- StillIRise I'm a Fan of StillIRise 546 fans permalink
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Maybe you should submit an application to the Obama administration as their prophet, since you seem so capable of predicting the future!

Obama will do as much as he can, and likely as much as is humanly possible, to mitigate the Bush fiasco, or at the very least, he will not exacerbate it. It is foolish to expect that one man, in one term or even two terms, can bring an end to the mess Bush created.

P.S. The "hawks" on Obama's team will not be running the show. HE will!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 11/21/2008

I agree with you here StillRise. Those people have a part to play in this as well, and they better stand up now because time is running out them. Stand up and fight Iraqi people, tell your Government what is on your mind now, while America is still there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 AM on 11/22/2008

If the military knew the difference between right and wrong they would all have said ''we won't do it'' back in 2003.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 11/21/2008
- GlenRast I'm a Fan of GlenRast 31 fans permalink
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The military follows orders. You surrender your freedom of choice when you take the oath. That's the only way a military can work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 11/21/2008
- karinova I'm a Fan of karinova 25 fans permalink
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Yawn.
Effigy-burning is the Fox News of Middle Eastern extremists.
Light mean-spirited entertainment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 11/21/2008
- freebeer I'm a Fan of freebeer 5 fans permalink

That's right. Don't stop for five seconds to consider the carnage we unleashed over there, killing hundreds of thousands, creating over a million refugees.

The have no hope, no future, no electricity, no water, no law and order.

But you automatically assume they are extremists and mean spirited. Maybe they are tired and fed up with us and our occupation? Maybe you should try for one minute to seriously imagine how they might feel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 11/21/2008
- amessenger I'm a Fan of amessenger 6 fans permalink

These people are doing the same thing they have for 2000 years, fighting with whomever happens to be handy, King Richard, Russia, The Brits, Us and soon each other again.
The war was launched on a fraud; a fraud about yellow cake uranium, nuclear threats that didn't exist and faux fears of a
ghostly, powerful Al Qaeda.
They came after us because we refused to leave their lands, of which we had no right to invade or occupy, other than Kuwait. All we have to do is leave and take care of our own sick, wounded nation. Close the borders, expel those who would rise to threat. Our Neocolonialism must stop!
Bin Laden is dead and his Robin Hood fable will go on forever, or as long as this Military Industrial Complex can perpetuate its myth of service on the ignorant, frightened USA masses.
You'll note the rest of the world has just quietly withdrawn and bowed out from the so-called coalition of the willing.
Royal Dutch Shell now has an office in Baghdad,....let them provide for their own protection. Let both the Shites and the Sunnis fight their civil war, nothing yea no-one can stop them.
We still have the ultimate power, but so far, not the sense to observe: "Those that live to walk away, fight again another day".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 11/21/2008
- WowJones I'm a Fan of WowJones 80 fans permalink
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Bush/Cheney got their oil contracts and made some private contractor friends very, very wealthy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 11/21/2008
- GlenRast I'm a Fan of GlenRast 31 fans permalink
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Need some more very in there. But if you put one in for every million Cheney's buds made the post would be huge

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 11/21/2008
- Deesel I'm a Fan of Deesel 2 fans permalink

When I heard this on NPR this morning I was impressed that it was so large and yet (somewhat) peaceful. To me that's a step in the right direction, however small.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 11/21/2008
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