Obama And Senate Dems Prepping For Quick, Massive Stimulus Package

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First Posted: 11-24-08 12:00 PM   |   Updated: 12-25-08 05:12 AM

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A high-ranking official in Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's office has confirmed that Democratic leadership is looking to have a stimulus package ready for Barack Obama to sign shortly upon taking office.

Jim Manley, a spokesman for Reid, backed up reports from Sunday and early Monday that Congress would work on a massive stimulus package to be prepared for a presidential signature on January 21st. The hope -- as Obama himself noted during a press conference announcing his economic team on Monday -- is to hit the ground running once he takes office, in efforts to repair the teetering economy.

"I want to see [a stimulus package] enacted right away. It is going to be of a size and scope that is needed to get this economy back on track," he said. "We have a consensus, which is pretty rare, between conservative economists and liberal economists that we need a big stimulus package that will jolt the economy back into shape and that it is focused on ... delivering the 2.5 million jobs I am talking about."

Obama would not get into the details of what, exactly, the stimulus would look like. "I don't want to get into numbers right now," he said.

Another plugged in Democratic aide, however, said economic advisers for the president-elect, in particular Jason Furman, have been in touch with the relevant members of Congress to begin shaping legislation. The group is looking at a package that could be as high as five percent of the GDP (which is where the $700 billion figure has come from) but would likely end up in the $100 billion to $500 billion range. Included in the language, it was predicted, would be spending on infrastructure, aide to states, money for health care programs and transportation projects, middle class tax relief or tax-incentives for job creation, and direct assistance to certain industries (see, potentially: auto).

The package, or course, is a work in progress, complicated by the fact that the Obama team has to defer for the time being to the current president. But as the president-elect begins to fill out his economic team, starting with the staffing announcements on Monday, things should roll move at a more accelerated pace.

"Part of the task of this economic team behind me is to help shape the details of that plan," said Obama.

Added the aide: "You can see even before his inauguration, Congress rolling out the skeleton of what the stimulus could be... That could happen in the next few weeks... then we will have to sit down and hammer out the details. And you can envision that by the first weeks of January, Congress could push this thing forward."

Should there be GOP quibbles over the size or language of the bill, Obama could, the aide noted, simply introduce his own version through a member of Congress and call for an up or down vote.

There are a few minor obstacles in the way of a wildly expeditious passage of the stimulus package -- though, there should be no doubt, the bill will almost certainly be passed. For starters, the Senate is not in session (save for a meeting in early December to discuss a loan to the Big Three automakers) until January 6th. Members will be around from then through the inauguration, but that might not be enough time for the contours of a package to be hammered out. They will want their "say in the process," noted one Senate aide.

A high-ranking official in Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's office has confirmed that Democratic leadership is looking to have a stimulus package ready for Barack Obama to sign shortly upon taking ...
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PERHAPS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE STIMULUS IS REGULATING THE MARKETS

Even now the TRADERS, Hedge Funds, and Banksters who use "Leveraged Shorts" to bring down Citi are planning their next attack on another Bank or Company! There are not enough trees to print the MONEY needed to Bailout all the victims of these Attacks!

Also, the Derivatives, Default Swaps, and Hedge Funds must be regulated immediately!

Hedge Fund Managers make $500,000,000 +or- and do not pay TAX as earned Income!

But the bigger question on Hedge Fund Managers is should there be a CAP on their Incomes as they used illegal Naked Shorts to drive companies into Bailouts or use illegal Leveraging to push Crude Oil to $147 a barrel?

It is not just the Europeans but Americans who do not trust America's Markets. So curing these problems must be the TOP Priority to restore our Economy and avoid more Bailouts!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 AM on 11/25/2008
- kasinca I'm a Fan of kasinca 159 fans permalink
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Why, you are talking about destroying the reaganomic way of deregulation and free markets! ( Pun intended.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 AM on 11/25/2008
- PennLawyer I'm a Fan of PennLawyer 22 fans permalink

Don't let Hillary & Bill hear you trashtalkin' those hedge fund traders! That's how their daughter keeps herself in high style in Manhattan. From Wikipedia:
"In 2003, Chelsea Clinton joined the consulting firm McKinsey & Company in New York City; she was the youngest person hired in her class, hired alongside those holding MBAs.[15][12] In the fall of 2006, she left McKinsey and went to work for Avenue Capital Group, a hedge fund run by Marc Lasry, a donor to Democratic causes and supporter of the Clintons. "

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 11/25/2008
- nogimmicks I'm a Fan of nogimmicks 28 fans permalink

Here is an exercise:
- Count how much PROFIT CitiGroup has made over the last 8 years
- Count how much they burned on hyper inflated salaries, unnecessary staff and extravagant expenses.
- Decide if you want to give the bankers more money, or actually take money from the speculators

Additional exercise:
- Compare the above amounts with the money spent on fixing roads and bridges
- Compare the above amounts with the money spent on curing cancer

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 AM on 11/25/2008
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Great Trade-off Analysis!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 AM on 11/25/2008
- cyndeewi I'm a Fan of cyndeewi 21 fans permalink
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Please watch your credit card bills with Citibank. They are over charging finance charges. I don't use my card anymore, just paying it off now. They are a bunch of crooks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 AM on 11/25/2008

Let's use our troops to build things here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 AM on 11/25/2008
- FDRJFKLBJ I'm a Fan of FDRJFKLBJ 2 fans permalink

Who's paying for this stimulus package? Did you people ever think about that!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 PM on 11/24/2008
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The Chinese?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 AM on 11/25/2008
- FDRJFKLBJ I'm a Fan of FDRJFKLBJ 2 fans permalink

No, you are. If you want a stimulus package, be prepared to get tax hikes in the future and reduced services because of the budget deficit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 AM on 11/25/2008

Are you guys liberals, hypocrits, or both? There are a lot of remedies to a recession; bailouts, stimulus packages, interest rate cuts... but none more powerful and effective than time. I believe Bush signed a stimulus package in early February of roughly 170 billion dollars. A lot of good that money did us. And I thought you were the same bloggers who have been criticizing Bush over and over again for increasing the federal budget deficit so precipitously, which is ironic because you seem ready and willing to praise president-elect Obama for pushing bailout packages in the hundreds of billions of dollars. Where does the spending end? These bailout packages are not a remedy, they are a painkiller. If you want to see unemployment decline then Obama should take a page out of John McCain's book and propose tax cuts for small business who are amongst those entities suffering the most from this economic crisis. Decrease their costs so they have more money to operate, more money to invest and expand, and potentially more money to hire employees. Increase their tax cuts and businesses will be forced to cut costs to continue operating (which means cutting jobs in most circumstances), if they are able to continue operating and not forced to file for bancruptcy (in which case everyone will lose their jobs). Stop asking for a million dollars, and take a realistic mindset to the actions necessary to get us through this recession, which requires patience more than anything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 11/24/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 237 fans permalink

Bush via Paulson is borrowing to give to Bush Cronies,

with the added benefit of

Bankrupting The US government

till the plutocracy can drowned it in a bathtub.

Mission Accomplished.

Spending is the ONLY way out of the depression.

Choose: War or public works/energy.

Give those billions to the states, to the unemployed, to folks facing foreclosure. That money will go right back into the economy, unlike the waste on banks.

Pass anti Usury laws cap interest at 10%.

Order billions of dollars of offshore wind turbines.

give individuals and businesses huge tax credits for installing roof top solar.

Create an US Green Bank to help green companies with liquidity problems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 11/24/2008
- vedder110 I'm a Fan of vedder110 7 fans permalink
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War doesn't get people out of a depression! War only works if there is production capacity not being used like in the Great Depression. Part of the reason there was such idling of capacity in the Great Depression was that Roosevelt's market controls were not allowing the economy to respond in efficient ways to changes in supply and demand. World War II created a huge demand out of nowhere that suddenly filled the idling production capacity. But I don't know of a single other war after WWII that had a similar effect on the economy, mostly because market demand in war is mostly for products that provide no capital benefit for the economy. You can't use bombs and ammo to raise the standard of living or create better factories or improve transportation systems (and you certainly can't consume them).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 11/25/2008
- grata2ude I'm a Fan of grata2ude 55 fans permalink

He's hitting the ground running. I am feeling more and more confident in this administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 11/24/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 237 fans permalink

No More "investment " bank bailouts!

I can't believe we are giving 700B to credit swap speculators!

"A credit default swap (CDS) is a credit derivative contract between two counter parties. The buyer makes periodic payments (premium leg) to the seller, and in return receives a payoff (protection or default leg) if an underlying financial instrument defaults.[1] CDS contracts have been compared to insurance, because the buyer pays a premium and, in return, receives a sum of money if a specified event occurs. However, there are a number of

differences between CDS and insurance; the

buyer of a CDS does not need to own the underlying security;

in fact the buyer does not even have to suffer a loss from the default event.[2][3][4]"

Think about that. It's off track betting on the market.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 11/24/2008
- golferman I'm a Fan of golferman 14 fans permalink
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You are absolutly right. I think I will go buy some insurance on my uncle. And if he should pass I'll get the money amount that I paid for. But that is against the law I think. Can you imagin, 20 people take out life insurance on somebody they dislike and he dies mystriously and all 20 people collect the life insurance. CDS are a scam. You should only be able to purchase them if you have an investment in the fund being insured.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 11/25/2008
- pokemon I'm a Fan of pokemon 12 fans permalink
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Consume, Consume, Consume.

I will not stimulate anything, they send me money and I am going to place it in savings like the last one. Who need dinners out and the movies? I have PBJ's and my XBOX-360. I can have a few drinks safely and home while the family sleeps and still hang out with the same people online... killing Zombies!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 11/24/2008
- pokemon I'm a Fan of pokemon 12 fans permalink
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Peak Oil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 PM on 11/24/2008

STIMULATE ME!! We are talking HUGE amounts of money for corporations and banks. The people need the money. EVERY single adult citizen could get a million dollars, and that would only be 1/3 of 1 billion dollars. INCLUDE us in the stimulus package. 700 billion dollars. 699 and 2/3 billion for the banks and corporations 1/3 of 1 billion for US. COME ON!!! EVERYONE could pay off their bills, huge bills. Taxes could get paid immediately on the money, so it would even be less than 1/3 of a billion. People would be out buying things, and saving for retirement. HOW could this be a bad idea??? PLEASE....get on board. Write your congress people. SHOW/GIVE ME THE MONEY!!!! I"M AS MAD AS HELL AND I"M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 11/24/2008

Please recheck your math! 1/3 of 1 Billion dollars is 333 Million. That's enough to give 1 Million dollars to 333 adults, or 1 dollar to 333 million Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 11/24/2008
- dcree77 I'm a Fan of dcree77 3 fans permalink

I was wondering when some mathematical wizard would point that at. I have seen this argument a number of times on other blogs and on this one.

Here are the facts: There are about 305,734,400 people in the US. $1 million per person would be $305,734,4­00,000,000 or $306 trillion. The entire 2008 US Gross Domestic Product is estimated to be about $14.5 trillion. The amount collected in federal taxes during 2008 is estimated to be only $2.66 trillion. Total 2008 federal government expenditures (not including bailout expenditures) is $2.90 trillion. The total US debt (prior to the bailout free-for-all) was $10.6 trillion.

It is inconceivable for the government to GIVE each man, woman and child $1 million in some crazy plan to get the economy back on track.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 11/24/2008
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LOL!! If everyone in this country got a mil I doubt there would be too many people returning to their employer the next day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 11/24/2008
- janmarbol I'm a Fan of janmarbol 19 fans permalink
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thank you, been saying this all along myself

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 11/24/2008

can I get my million bucks with direct deposit?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 11/24/2008

just watched pres elect on tv. he looks extremely tired and appears to have lost a lot of weight.

he has surrounded himself with powerful folks who speak their minds.

some of them ought to buy him tickets to somewhere warm and leave him there alone for two weeks.

with the assurance its ok we can deal with things for fourteen days.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 11/24/2008
- lizr I'm a Fan of lizr 221 fans permalink
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do we have fourteen days?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 11/24/2008
- janmarbol I'm a Fan of janmarbol 19 fans permalink
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has anyone here heard of the word "hyperinflation"?

I not only heard it, I lived through it in another country. It's looking a lot like that. I HOPE I am wrong and that I'm just being my old cynical self.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 11/24/2008
- vedder110 I'm a Fan of vedder110 7 fans permalink
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Exactly. No fiat money system has lasted more than 40 years. The fiat US Dollar started in 1971. If we can make it three more years we'll have the record.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 11/25/2008
- PennLawyer I'm a Fan of PennLawyer 22 fans permalink

What's this "OR" language in :
" middle class tax relief OR tax-incentives for job creation"?
Note "or" doesn't separate the last category from the others. That would imply ANY of the list might be excluded. That "or" appears WITHIN one specific phrase: Obama's plan will include either middle class tax relief OR tax-incentives for job creation.
As an attorney trained to analyze contracts and legislation, I know this placement of "OR" instead of "and" opens the door to completely dropping tax relief for citizens.
We heard repeatedly throughtout the campaign that Obama would cut income taxes on those whose incomes were under $250,000 while canceling Bush's tax cuts for the uberwealthy.
Now Obama's people float major changes to those promises- just let those tax breaks for the wealthy expire in 2011, or even RENEW them. Evidently the necessary correlate to allowing the wealthy to continue to rake it in is to forego tax cuts for other taxpayers - middle class, single parents, elderly retired, minimum wage earners- all those who voted Obama into office.
Believe me the use of that word "OR" in the second to last category of possible assistance means very bad news for everyone to whom Obama promised tax relief during his campaign. I strongly urge you to call your congressperson and senators and protest any "relief" package which includes no tax break for the majority of Americans, while leaving in place the obscene tax breaks for the top 5%.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 11/24/2008

Where's the moneny coming from bucko?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 11/24/2008

China and India. Sooner or later this will end.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 11/24/2008
- pokemon I'm a Fan of pokemon 12 fans permalink
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No more credit, we have this problem because we no longer have the gold standard. I just hope I can pay down my student loans before it hits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 11/24/2008

Bush: stimulus package + bailout
Obama: bigger stimulus package + bailout

I like the change I see here...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 11/24/2008

the change will be a penny for you dollar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 11/24/2008
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