Right Still Bullish On Hillary Clinton At State

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December 1, 2008 10:33 AM


Barron YoungSmith has a piece up at The New Republic today, entitled "Hawks For Hillary," that continues to relate something we've been hearing about for some weeks now: that "the right" -- specifically the architects of the Iraq War-- are overjoyed that Hillary Clinton is poised to take the reins at the State Department, as if this represented a continued entrenchment of neo-conservative thought in the coming Obama administration. YoungSmith leads with a a giddy quote from Richard Perle, who informs us that "on the whole I'm quite pleased" with the prospect of Clinton reigning at the State Department.

Perle says he would rather have a hawkish Democrat than a Chuck Hagel-style Republican as a token bi-partisan appointment. "I heard about others on the list [for secretary of state] that I wouldn't be happy about," he says. "Those were mostly Republicans."


Perle predicts that Clinton will likely perpetuate the foreign policy approaches that have typified Bush's second term, when the president pursued goals such as tighter sanctions on Iran. "I'm relieved," he says. "There's not going to be as much change as we were led to believe. I think she's very much in the mainstream. By now, I think the Bush foreign policy is, as a practical matter, the same policy as the policy of the Department of State--which is what I'd expect it to be under Hillary Clinton. Contrary to expectations, I don't think we would see a lot of change."

By and large, I see this cheerleading from the right as being mostly denialist, it's larger purpose being the sort of goading that goes on between both sides of the partisan intelligentsia. Talking down the prospects of forthcoming "change" is precisely the sort of thing that will rile up the left-wing blogosphere. Whether or not this deflates the hopes of voters is another matter entirely. This sort of chatter flies entirely over the heads of people who recognize a shift from incompetent to competent governance as "change." That said, I'd beseech Richard Perle to be patient. Before long, he's likely to find plenty of grounds to object to Hillary Clinton. An example of why can be found in David Sanger's New York Times piece, "A Handpicked Obama Team for a Shift in Foreign Policy."

...all three of his choices -- Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton as the rival turned secretary of state; Gen. James L. Jones, the former NATO commander, as national security adviser, and Robert M. Gates, the current and future defense secretary -- have embraced a sweeping shift of priorities and resources in the national security arena.


The shift would create a greatly expanded corps of diplomats and aid workers that, in the vision of the incoming Obama administration, would be engaged in projects around the world aimed at preventing conflicts and rebuilding failed states. However, it is unclear whether the financing would be shifted from the Pentagon; Mr. Obama has also committed to increasing the number of American combat troops. Whether they can make the change -- one that Mr. Obama started talking about in the summer of 2007, when his candidacy was a long shot at best -- "will be the great foreign policy experiment of the Obama presidency," one of his senior advisers said recently.

The adviser, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly, said the three have all embraced "a rebalancing of America's national security portfolio" after a huge investment in new combat capabilities during the Bush years.

None of that strikes me as anything even remotely resembling a perpetuation of "the foreign policy approaches that have typified Bush's second term."

I'd also add that some extra significance should be placed on Perle's criticism of Chuck Hagel and the other "mostly Republicans" that he "wouldn't be happy about." Hagel still likely looms as influential in Obama's foreign policy formulations, as does another Republican, Brent Scowcroft, who seems to have Obama's ear in this arena. Perle is correct in depicting Clinton as a liberal hawk, but where do a Hagel or a Scowcroft fit in the "change" matrix? Let's cut to Matt Yglesias:

To understand the context for this, it's important to recall that the ideological spectrum around foreign policy elites isn't sorted all that well. On economic issues, moderate Republicans are almost all still to the right of moderate Democrats. But on foreign policy, traditional Republican realists have a lot more in common with liberal Democrats than either do with Democratic hawks. Both are likely to have opposed the Iraq War or soured on it early. Both are likely to be skeptical of the idea that we should base our foreign policy on self-righteousness. Both are likely to appreciate the importance of taking a balanced approach to the Israel-Palestine conflict. And both are likely to be skeptical of the idea that the highest expresion of humanitarian impulses is launching unilateral wars surrounded by high-minded rhetoric.


Under the circumstances, outreach from Obama to Republican realists would constitute a counterpoint rather than an intensification of outreach from Obama to Hillary Clinton's top level of supporters and advisers.

I'd also point out that outside the sphere of our military engagements, Hillary Clinton would represent a significant change in direction for the State Department, as Ceclie Richards expands upon on the Huffington Post this morning:

In a speech that, by the standards of the Bush administration, sounds positively radical, Clinton addressed the Cairo Plus Five Forum at the Hague in 1999, saying, "Women's reproductive health and empowerment are critical to a nation's sustainability and growth ... we now know that no nation can hope to succeed in the global economy of the 21st century if half of its people lack the opportunity and the right to make the most of their God-given potential. No nation can move forward when its women and children are trapped in endless cycles of poverty; when they have inadequate health care, poor access to family planning, limited education."

All told, I'd suggest that the right's love affair with this alleged lack of change could have a very short shelf life.

Barron YoungSmith has a piece up at The New Republic today, entitled "Hawks For Hillary," that continues to relate something we've been hearing about for some weeks now: that "the right" -- specifical...
Barron YoungSmith has a piece up at The New Republic today, entitled "Hawks For Hillary," that continues to relate something we've been hearing about for some weeks now: that "the right" -- specifical...
 
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I find all the blather amusing. He promised the position to her when they met after he'd sewed up the nomination.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 12/02/2008

The TRUTH why so many republicants, especially self-inflated ones like Buchanan and Limbaugh, were campaigning blatantly for Hillary in the primaries - is now exposed here for all to see.

Perhaps supporters that convinced themselves ANY dislike of Hillary or 'the Clintons' could only be explained by misogyny, will now see a bit of light penetrating when this originating and dyed-in-the-wool neoCON (Richard Perle) tells the world 'that she (of all Dem candidates) ...was the MOST like them'.

Yet, some will continue clinging forever to the excuse her 'plumbing' was the REAL problem.

Let's hope she disappoints the neoCONS in her new roll, greatly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 AM on 12/02/2008
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Good analysis Mr. Linkins... the right is in panic mode as they see Democrats forming an effective and broad collection of minds and personalities to lead the country. There is the foundation for an extended Democratic run in place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 AM on 12/02/2008

Out of spite the right-wingers are going to act as though she is the president, not Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 AM on 12/02/2008

"By and large, I see this cheerleading from the right as being mostly denialist, it's larger purpose being the sort of goading that goes on between both sides of the partisan intelligentsia. Talking down the prospects of forthcoming "change" is precisely the sort of thing that will rile up the left-wing blogosphere."

I agree thoroughly.

I do think that they are feeling comforted, for real, that she is the known-ish quantity they kind of admire for changing from mother who makes you feel your balls will be cut off any minute, to gun-toting-granny (at least until Palin showed up) and then turned into a glowing starry elder stateswoman once she lost. She is luminous now...for a while. Who doesn't love luminosity?

The comfort is temporary, but I think it is real.

I, on the other hand, am really, genuinely, delighted with the choice. I cannot think of better casting than Obama as Pres and Hillary as Secretary of State.

And great casting makes for greatly satisfying dramatic outcomes.

I believe, I do I do, that my own life will be much better for the next 8 years.

I may change my mind as soon as something new and hideous happens, but that is where I am now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 AM on 12/02/2008

this is incredibly amusing for anyone who watched the republican hate machine try to eviscerate hillary clinton during bill's presidency.

and yeah, this is pure denial. oh man, that feels good. i am getting more excited about obama's presidency every day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 AM on 12/02/2008

I have never seen a group of people that continually spout words that are so totally out of sync with reality. It's amazing to watch. Most fiction writers can't make the leaps outside of reality that republicans constantly make.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 AM on 12/02/2008

If you read up on neo-conservatism you'd find that they are correct. The neo-cons were stating early on that she'd be a better president for their ideology than any of the Democratic Primary contenders.

Her foreign policy positions are very closely aligned with the neo-cons'. That's a fact. Chuck Hagel's foreign policy positions are very close to the ones Obama campaigned on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 AM on 12/02/2008

Why is it a surprise that they're celebrating over on National Review over Hillary's pick as SOS? Hillary supported the Iraq war and Gates supported the war AND the surge.

We've been had. It's naive beyond words to still be thinking that Obama meant a word of what he said just to get elected. Yea, sure, I've heard that now that he gets a daily briefing he has a clearer view of serious problems that he did not have to take into account when he was running. But I don't believe it.

Gates and Clinton. Please, he was never serious about change. He said what he had to to get elected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 12/01/2008

And yet you're ridiculously missing the fact that NONE OF THEM HAVE STARTED THEIR TERMS YET. You have no clue how these people are going to operate under a new boss. Being skeptical is one thing but it's actually "naive beyond words" to believe the ship is sinking before its even left the port.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 AM on 12/02/2008

Too bad for the pubs that she won't be the one calling the shots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 12/01/2008
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How bizarre... just a year ago when she was expected to win, they were painting her as the devil incarnate.

Republicans are strange, strange subset of humanity...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 12/01/2008

I don't remember that. I remember Fox News being totally in the hole for Clinton while bashing Obama day and night.

In fact, Hillary herself just said in an interview that Fox gave her more positive coverage than most of the other networks. Geraldine Ferrarro is a Fox News commentator. People in her campaign now work for Fox News.

Charles Krauthhammer (neo-con who writes for Washington Post) said he hoped Hillary would beat Obama, because he liked her foreign policy positions and knew she'd do the right thing though probably for all the wrong reasons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 AM on 12/02/2008
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No at first the repubs were totally in the tank for barack. However they got scared once they saw how much money he was making, then they did a 180 on Clinton. However Clinton is a DLC dem so she is more hawkish than Obama. However Obama had to make a deal with Clinton for her support, in the election. Bill even campaigned for Barack I'm sure that cost Barack some political capital right there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 AM on 12/02/2008

Hillary's job is to carry out Obama's policies. Dunno what the so-called rightwing is even yakking about...it's not as if she'll make up her own policies. If she tries it, Obama will replace her immediately. The worst thing anyone can do is to underestimate Barack Obama...ask Hillary...or McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 12/01/2008

We'll see, won't we?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 PM on 12/01/2008

The right is just trying to make trouble. As usual. If they really do think that she is on board with their agenda, well, they'll just be disappointed again. She's going to work hard and do her best because that is what she does.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 12/01/2008
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Obama is feeding the right wingers a heavy dose of Kool Aid to fuel wishful thinking. Wrong, bozos.

Hillary Clinton serves at the pleasure of the Presdent of the United States. She can disagree with her boss, but it's ultimately his way or the highway. Don't you think they both thought this out carefully before making their decision? What do you think this is, a pickup basketball game where you just pick someone out of a lineup.

Get real. There was a lot of diverse brain power on that stage today. I feel reassured after the shipwreck of the past eight years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 12/01/2008

Too many people act like Obama will have to cajole Hilary to get her to go along...it's quite simple...Hilary will do what she is told to do or Hilary will be out of a frickin job.

Is that clear enough for everyone? President Obama is in charge, so it doesn't matter if Gates is the SecDef or Hilary is SecState or anything else...Obama makes the rules, calls the play and quarterbacks the offense...so relax.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 12/01/2008
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