Automakers' Massive Debts May Derail Bailout

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TOM KRISHER | December 1, 2008 09:56 PM EST | AP

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DETROIT — They'll park some corporate jets, cut executive pay and serve up concessions from the United Auto Workers, but Ford Motor Co., General Motors Corp. and perhaps Chrysler LLC also will have to address massive debts to persuade a skeptical Congress to loan them money.

As the CEOs of all three companies prepare for a return trip to Washington this week seeking $25 billion in government loans to help them survive a worldwide economic slump, their debt likely will be scrutinized as Congress decides if they can once again become viable with help from the government.

GM alone spent $847 million on debt payments in the first nine months of the year.

"There's no guarantee these guys will make it" even with government help, said Rep. Jeb Hensarling, R-Texas, one of Detroit's critics who advocates letting them go into bankruptcy. "It's also why we have bankruptcy courts, so these businesses get reorganized and the resources are used in a better way ultimately to benefit our society."

Automakers argue that bankruptcy isn't an option, maintaining that no one will buy a car from a company that may not be around for the life of the vehicle. With sales at their lowest point in 25 years and no other options to borrow more cash, GM and Chrysler say government help is essential.

Cash stockpiles at GM and Chrysler are dangerously close to the minimum amount required to run the company, meaning they could have trouble paying all their bills by the end of the year. Ford, although burning cash at an alarming rate, borrowed more than $20 billion last year and says it can last at least through 2010.

GM, according to its quarterly report filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, already owes creditors a staggering $45 billion, plus it must pay more than $7.5 billion early in 2010 to a United Auto Workers trust fund that will take over retiree health care payments. Ford owes more than $26 billion, with $6.3 billion due to its UAW trust fund at the end of 2009.

Chrysler, a private company, does not have to open its books, but its CEO, Robert Nardelli, has said it would be difficult for the company to make it without federal aid. All three likely are negotiating with the UAW for delays in payments to the trusts.

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The answer to the debt problem may lie in another component of the plans that GM, Ford and Chrysler will deliver to Congress on Tuesday. CEOs from all three companies, plus UAW President Ron Gettelfinger, will appear again before the Senate Banking Committee Thursday and the House Financial Services Committee on Friday.

Two people briefed on GM's plan say the automaker will at least make an effort to negotiate swapping some of its debt for equity, either shares or warrants to buy them. Chrysler also is likely to include a similar provision, a person briefed on its plan said Monday.

None of the people wanted to be identified because the plans haven't been delivered to Congress.

GM's board approved the plan Monday after a two-day meeting.

But industry analysts say it makes sense for bondholders and other creditors to gamble on equity in the company with part of their GM debt in order to keep the automaker out of bankruptcy protection.

"There will have to be concessions made by debtholders," said Kevin Tynan, an auto industry analyst with Argus Research in New York. "The argument can be made that if not, there's a good chance you're not going to get anything back anyhow."

GM bonds already are trading at 20 to 30 cents on the dollar, so bondholders wouldn't be giving up that much, Tynan said.

A complicating factor is that bond rating agencies may further downgrade GM's credit if debt is exchanged for equity, said Standard & Poor's Credit Analyst Gregg Lemos Stein.

GM, he said, is now at a low CCC-plus, but if it swapped a large amount of debt for equity, Standard & Poors would view that as "tantamount to default" and give it an SD rating for "selective default," Lemos Stein said.

Critics say that with such huge debt payments, the Detroit Three will have less money for research than their foreign competitors, so they'll fall behind and eventually end up in trouble again.

GM and the other automakers argue that if they can get through the sales slump, and credit loosens so more people can buy vehicles, the companies will start making money as buyers return to showrooms in droves.

With revenue coming in, GM would restructure its debt, preserving funds for research on next-generation fuel-efficient products such as the Chevrolet Volt rechargeable electric car or the Chevrolet Cruze compact, said GM spokeswoman Renee Rashid-Merem.

"At the end of the day it's about prioritizing, and making sure your research and development dollars are spent on those things that are providing you a competitive advantage," she said.

But GM's filing with the SEC expresses doubt about its ability to pay for everything.

"If we continue to operate at or close to the minimum cash levels necessary to support our regular business operations, we may be forced to further curtail capital spending, research and development and other programs that are important to the future success of our business," the filing said.

GM also is likely to tell Congress about efforts to shed brands, although it would prefer to sell them rather than shutting down Pontiac, Saturn or Saab, said one of the people briefed on the plan. Shutting them down would require cash the company doesn't have, the person said.

On Monday, Ford announced that it was looking into the sale of its Volvo brand to raise cash.

Some members of Congress have urged the Big Three executives to take major pay cuts as part of the deal. Nardelli said he would work for $1 a year, and a similar commitment is expected from GM CEO Rick Wagoner. Ford plans include a pay cut for Ford CEO Alan Mulally, although the size of the cut was not immediately available.

That might not be enough for some lawmakers. Rep. James Clyburn, D-S.C., the Democratic Whip, told reporters Monday in Columbia, S.C., that the three CEOs should quit.

"If I had my way, all three of those guys would be in the unemployment line and I think that ought to be one of the conditions for us doing this," Clyburn said. "We need to have new leadership."

Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez said in an interview Monday that the plans need to address some of the key structural issues facing the industry, such as costs, debt, dealer network costs and product lines.

"There needs to be a path to viability," Gutierrez said.

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Associated Press Writers Jim Davenport in Columbia, S.C., and Julie Hirschfeld Davis and Ken Thomas in Washington, D.C., contributed to this report.

DETROIT — They'll park some corporate jets, cut executive pay and serve up concessions from the United Auto Workers, but Ford Motor Co., General Motors Corp. and perhaps Chrysler LLC also will h...
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No question CEO's compensation packages are a part of the problem, but to say UAW memberships are "blameless workers", makes your argument a self-serving platitude. That gimmick would convince none but the most credulous.



Compare Union's pay, perks, pensions, health benefits, sick time , job injuries, and occupational claims to that of the "average American worker". GREAT DIVIDE. Put that wage structure in context: a NASA scientist, with all his/her educational credentials, training and experience is paid less per hour, than the average "bolt" person in an assembly line. Union hiring is geared on legacy - generational assembly line workers without a college degree because of legacy

hiring. Last 30 years or so, Union members have always regarded themselves as "privilege few", because of Union protectionism, legacy work privileges and their bargaining power.



See the difference ? Question: What makes you feel superior, or privilege?



Yes, CEO's and other "PIRATES" ran the Big3 to the ground. To distribute the "blame", consider UAW, the biggest PIRATE of them all. Fair ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 12/02/2008

DaleenMB

No question CEO's compensation packages are a part of the problem, but to say UAW memberships are "blameless

workers", makes your argument a self-serving platitude. That gimmick would convince none but the most credulous.



Compare Union's pay, perks, pensions, health benefits, sick time , job injuries, and occupational claims to that of the

"average American worker". GREAT DIVIDE. Put that wage structure in context: a NASA scientist, with all his/her

educational credentials, training and experience is paid less per hour, than the average "bolt" person in an assembly

line. Union hiring is geared on legacy - generational assembly line workers without a college degree because of legacy

hiring. Last 30 years or so, Union members have always regarded themselves as "privilege few", because of Union

protectionism, legacy work privileges and their bargaining power.



See the difference ? Question: What makes you feel superior, or privilege?



Yes, CEO's and other "PIRATES" ran the Big3 to the ground. To distribute the "blame", consider UAW, the biggest

PIRATE of them all. Fair ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 12/02/2008

Agreed. My grandfather (who worked for a GM parts plant), even as he stands to lose his UAW retirement, admits that the UAW had a lot to do with GM's problems, particularly with quality control.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 12/02/2008

[lysistrata: At $28.00 an hour on average they make a living above the poverty level, nothing wrong with that.]

Indeed. The next question, is the assembly line autoworker doing something that a minimum wage burger flipper cannot do with a week's on the job training? If no then the labor rate is way out of whack with the skill level for the job. The time has passed when Detroit could make monopoly profits and pay their management and employees richly. Go from there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 12/02/2008

Carrying any significant debt load should immediately disqualify the automakers from any public funding. Businesses finance their capital base when they expect to grow profits in the future. If Detroit's management looked at the economy for the past several years and decided that their best days are ahead of them, then clearly they are incompetent.

What the global economy demands from automakers is fewer cars that consume less fuel and probably cost more to produce. They can remain profitable, and they could potentially even grow profit margins, but their profits in dollars have to decline. A business facing a future of declining profits cannot manage a debt load whose interest rates demand growth.

An automaker worthy of public funding would have been spending the last decade selling business units to retire debt obligations. Instead Detroit wound up financing acquisitions such as Volvo, Saab, Jaguar, Range Rover, and of course Hummer.

I introduce a jsarets proposal for the domestic auto industry: Let GM and Chrysler fail, turn Ford over to the UAW to operate as a 100% worker-owned limited-liability partnership, and transfer to them ownership of all intellectual property and trade secrets held by the other two. Without GM and Chrysler in the market, Ford may be able to grow profits enough in the short term to retire their debt and become a sustainable negative-growth business.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 12/02/2008

I wonder what the big 3 are going to do about the thousands of car on dealer and storage lots all over America. They must be sold, because so much has been invested in them to just go for scrap. Poor gas mileage or not some plan must be worked out to move them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 12/02/2008
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McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy's, Domino's, etc..... The options are endless!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 12/02/2008

Send the executives packing with zero benefits, then bail out the company with a new management team.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 12/02/2008
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Thats silly. Thats a political solution to an economic problem. The business model that the big 3 have will not produce profits. It doesn't matter who is in control. Its better to have experienced and qualified management than unqualified people. I don't know the BIG 3 management team. They may stink, but a change in management won't change the future of the industry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 12/02/2008

Thing is, the existing management seems to have clearly abused their privilege and mismanaged their respective companies... What good is keeping them based on a "promise" that they'll do better?

The old "wolves guarding the chicken coop" saying comes to mind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 12/02/2008
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Rachel Maddow had one of the original ads for the original Hummer on last night's show. I've seen most H2's around my neck of the woods -- still ridiculous. But the original Hummer? I still can't believe that this behemoth was actually built for consumer consumption. The ad shows this line of big, honking Hummers driving through rivers and up and down rocky hills -- well, you get the idea. So why were the main consumers of this bad joke suburban and urban folks? The answer to that is, of course, that the folks for whom something like this "might" make sense couldn't afford it. At some point I recall a Hummer advertisement where a couple was going out on the town dressed to the nines -- seems incredibly laughable now. I found myself wondering how the woman dressed in a gown and high heels got in and out of this monstrosity gracefully. The advertisement didn't answer this question, of course.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 12/02/2008

Reo, Packard, DeSoto, Oldsmobile, Studebaker, Rambler - just some of the American marques that failed or were subsumed over the past century.

The issue really isn't whether GM, Ford or Chrysler survive, it's what will happen to the workforce that will be idled if any, or all, of the Big Three default or disappear. While I agree that it's probably in the best interest of the current economy to keep autoworkers employed at their current jobs, the country would probably become more healthy if we created new manufacturing jobs and products that don't rely on the importing of fossil fuels from autocratic countries whose leaders are not in sync with a contemporary, secular world.

Granting a $25B 'loan' to businesses whose leaders' management acumen is directly in question is not just troubling, it smacks of desperation on all sides. Further, if any 'loans' are to be made, they must be laden with constraints on executive pay and incentives, and tied to the development of new, ecofriendly technology.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 12/02/2008

Well said.

After Chrysler brought us the Hemi and GM brought us the Hummer, it's hardly surprising these two are on the ropes.

If they go under, chalk it up to poetic (freemarket) justice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 12/02/2008
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I am sick and tired of a elite portion of the country looking for bailouts from the rest of us. I have a college education and 25 years experience and I don't make what a Detroit auto worker makes, and my whole family, son, daughter, father don't make what one executive makes. Hell, I probably will not earn in my whole life what an auto exec makes in one year. I say the only way they get bail out money is if the execs go and the auto workers agree to work for what the boys down south make.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 12/02/2008
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Thats not gonna happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 12/02/2008

I love it ...

"Automakers argue that bankruptcy isn't an option, maintaining that no one will buy a car from a company that may not be around for the life of the vehicle."

NO ONE IS BUYING A CAR FROM THESE COMPANIES ANYWAY!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 12/02/2008

True that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 12/02/2008
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I would agree that most people would not want to purchase a car from a company that went bankrupt. Therefore, Congress simply has to tell them that they can have the money ONLY after Congress sends in experts to reorganize the companies and fix the problems. You do not need a bankruptcy court to do this. If Congress has any spine at all, they will insist on this. Otherwise the money will be spent for nothing. The CEOs, especially GMs CEO, will take the money squirrel it away for golden parachutes and bonuses, and then flee allowing the company to go under.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 12/02/2008
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The experts in this country regarding auto production, are the auto executives that are already there. The solution to the problem is
1. Closing down at least 3 auto plants.
2.Reducing labor costs and pension costs by 20%.
3. Reducing the number of dealers selling Big 3 cars. from 3,000 to about 1,000.
4. Finding someone to help pay the interest on Billions in loans outstanding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 12/02/2008
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Weather or not you agree with it, it appears that there will be a bail out of Detroit. A democratic congress and president will not abandon union workers in the Midwest when unemployment is rising. Obama is willing to pay $35,000 to a highway worker so why not to a car worker. Here is the plan.

1. The UAW will accelerate their plan to take over the retired workers pensions with a government guarantee.

2. GM promises to close 2 plants to reduce production, they will use government stimulus money to retrain other workers for work in a new "green auto plant ".

3. The government should sponsor a special tax rebate to car buyers for cars from Detroit . ie 10 billion dollars to Midwestern states that will prepay sales tax on any of their cars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 AM on 12/02/2008
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GM *had* a "green" plant, and turned it into "just another GM plant". Idiots.

They also produced economical, reliable cars with a solid reputation, and a loyal customer base.

Then GM turned that into "just another GM brand".

I think GM is too big to fail, but too stupid to survive... they seem incapable of learning from mistakes OR success.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 12/02/2008
- sak I'm a Fan of sak permalink

With the current management team, GM is too stupid to survive. The only solution is to change management. This can be done without a bankrupcy proceeding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 12/02/2008

I could be wrong but my gut tells me this is a war between the red and blue states with Automakers.

The blue states are American companies. The red states are other countries automakers.

I got this idea from Senator Lindsey Gram, he said the big 3 should close. In his state the BMW car company is doing just fine.

Other southern (confederate) states leaders has expressed themselves on C-Span this pass week, the big 3 should close.

We are still in a civil war among the states. So far the south is winning, we have been losing manufacturing jobs since Nixon/Kissinger has been in office, after LB Johnson signed the civil rights act/voting rights for black people. Their dislike for other Americans have destroyed this country.

They have allowed Chinese people who did not having voting right, these people were uneducated and extremely poor. They used our tax money to be educated for these manufacturing jobs, over 20 millions of USA jobs are now in china and they have a middle class of Chinese people

Just maybe if we all lost it all we just might start to appreciate all the American people . House divided has fallen. We are not just cracked, we are in need of extra strength super glue to put the millions of pieces together.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 AM on 12/02/2008
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looks like the UAW finally got the message about some of their union demands which cost the auto makers big bucks needlessly:

from the WallStreetJournal site:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122818745068571547.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 AM on 12/02/2008

ah there it is. Blame the workers.

How about we lay the blame at the feet of the corporate pirates who bilk their companies for BILLIONS of dollars for their triple platinum parachutes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 12/02/2008
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At this point it doesn't matter who you blame. The business model in Detroit doesn't work. Even with a bail out, there is little probability that the Big 3 can survive. Their debt is too big. Its like starting a 1 mile race with a 25 lbs bag tied to your legs. It's not gonna happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 12/02/2008
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It's almost cartoonish how these people expect to keep their jobs after the mess they've made of the companies they were hired to oversee.

What has happened to common sense? If a person CANNOT do a job, you do not reward them.

That goes for CEO's of auto companies, financial companies and politicians.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 AM on 12/02/2008

I agree with you totally...I think these people have all proved themselves incapable of keeping out of the mess in the first place... They ignored all the warning signs in their unmitigated greed... I would love to see all the contracts for their compensation and what exactly they did to achieve that.. and I believe it would reflect Racketeering just like Charles Keating...

These are the same people who supported Bush, who ignored the Levees, tried to take back bonuses from soldiers who died and charge soldier patients for their food... AND NOW HE WANTS TO BAIL OUT HIS CRONIES... The rest of us have had no increases in the last 30 years and they would not even raise the minimum wage or provide health care for children... THIS IS NOT A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY no matter how many times these hypocrits say it is....We have turned the other cheek too many times and it is now time to hold these people accountable, each and every one of them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 AM on 12/02/2008

Hear! Hear!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 12/02/2008
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