Automakers Plead For Aid, But Senate Votes Lacking

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KEN THOMAS | December 3, 2008 11:41 PM EST | AP

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In this Oct. 2, 2008 file photo, Janna Dake inspects a 2009 F150 pickup as it goes down the line at the Kansas City Ford Assembly Plant in Claycomo, Mo. The United Auto Workers on Wednesday, Dec. 3 said it is willing to change its contracts with U.S. automakers and accept delayed payments of billions of dollars to a union-run health care trust to do its part to help the struggling companies secure $34 billion in government loans. (AP Photo/Charlie Riedel, file)

WASHINGTON — Imperiled automakers and their union worked feverishly Wednesday to sell a skeptical Congress on a $34 billion aid plan, promising labor concessions and restructuring. The Senate's Democratic leader said there still weren't enough votes to tap the $700 billion federal bailout fund to prop up the foundering Big Three.

One day before the chiefs of the auto companies return to Capitol Hill to make their urgent cases for loans, Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., said the money was unlikely to come from the Wall Street rescue fund.

"I just don't think we have the votes to do that now," Reid told The Associated Press in an interview.

The White House called the timing of his comments "interesting" coming on the eve of high-stakes congressional hearings Democrats demanded.

"It's not hospitable," said Dana Perino, the White House press secretary.

In Capitol Hill meetings, industry officials said the collapse of one or more of the Big Three carmakers could greatly worsen the nation's recession and undermine the companies' ability to survive.

"We're on the brink with the U.S. auto manufacturing industry. We're down to months left," Chrysler's vice chairman, Jim Press, told the AP in a separate interview. "If we have a catastrophic failure of one of these car companies, in this tender environment for the economy, it's a huge blow. It could trigger a depression."

The United Auto Workers union, scrambling to preserve jobs and benefits, agreed at an emergency meeting in Detroit to allow the companies to delay payments to a multibillion-dollar, union-run health care trust and to scale back a jobs bank in which laid-off workers are paid most of their wages. The concessions could help mollify some lawmakers who have criticized the union's benefits as too rich when compared with those of workers at foreign-brand auto plants in the U.S.

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The Bush administration and auto-state Republicans and Democrats are pushing to help the automakers with aid from a different source: a previously approved $25 billion program that's supposed to be used to help them produce more environmentally advanced vehicles.

Environmentalists _ and a number of powerful friends in Congress _ are vigorously opposing that idea.

Reid said the administration could act unilaterally to use a portion of the Wall Street bailout program for loans to the automakers, but the White House has consistently resisted that approach.

"There's talk going around now that the Bush White House may ask for" the second $350 billion installment of the $700 billion financial industry rescue fund, Reid said.

But if Bush's team doesn't act, he said, "I think that we are probably going to have to try to do something" in Congress.

Reid said he would rely on Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, to determine what kind of legislation would be appropriate.

The autoworkers' concessions are "a step in the right direction," he said.

"I think it's too bad that negotiated contracts between labor and management are going to have to be changed," Reid said. "But it's obvious to everyone _ as strong of a union guy as I am _ it's obvious that there has to be some changes made."

Ahead of Thursday's televised hearings, GM's president and chief operating officer, Fritz Henderson, met with congressional aides and said bankruptcy for his company would further erode consumer confidence. About 25 auto dealers also combed through House and Senate office buildings, lobbying for the bailout package.

General Motors Corp., Chrysler LLC and Ford Motor Co. submitted three separate survival plans to Congress this week after flunking their first attempt to persuade lawmakers to throw them a lifeline.

GM and Chrysler said they needed an immediate infusion of government cash to last until New Year's, and both said they could drag the entire industry down if they fail. Ford wants a $9 billion standby line of credit in case a competitor fails.

Chrysler said it needed $7 billion by year's end to keep operating. GM asked for an immediate $4 billion as the first installment of a $12 billion loan, plus a $6 billion line of credit to use if conditions worsen.

Ford's chief executive, Alan Mulally, and GM's chief executive, Rick Wagoner, said they would work for $1 a year if each company accepted government loans. The carmakers also have offered to cancel bonuses and merit raises. Chrysler said its chief executive has cut his annual pay to $1.

All three plans envision the government getting a stake in the companies that would allow taxpayers to share in future gains if they recover.

The Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee was to hear testimony Thursday from the executives, the UAW's president, Ron Gettelfinger, and the head of the Government Accountability Office on the companies' plans. The House Financial Services Committee planned similar session Friday.

Officials at the White House and the Treasury and Commerce departments were scouring the plans. Perino said it was "too early to say" whether the companies have outlined a path toward viability that justifies new federal assistance.

President-elect Barack Obama said it appeared that Big Three chiefs were returning to Washington with a "more serious set of plans."

The bailout faces a skeptical public. Sixty-one percent oppose providing the auto companies with billions in federal assistance, according to a CNN-Opinion Research Corp. poll released Wednesday. Fifty-three percent said it would not help the economy.

Few saw any quick impact if the U.S. auto industry were to go bankrupt _ only one in three expected to be affected immediately or in a year. Most of the rest said they thought it would affect them eventually, though nearly one-quarter said they would never feel its impact.

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Associated Press writers Erica Werner, Julie Hirschfeld Davis and Deb Riechmann in Washington, Kimberly S. Johnson in Detroit and Joe Milicia in Cleveland contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — Imperiled automakers and their union worked feverishly Wednesday to sell a skeptical Congress on a $34 billion aid plan, promising labor concessions and restructuring. The Senate's ...
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- Kassandra I'm a Fan of Kassandra 99 fans permalink
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The ONLY way ANY American manufacturing will ever work again is to level the playing field and get rid of these "free trade" agreements. Every other industrialized country protects THEIR manufacturing, but not US.
Bush calls it "protectionism". I think the US could use a little protection right now
That is ultimately why the auto industry and every other is in trouble today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 12/04/2008

LET THEM FAIL!!!!! THEN THEY WILL BE FORCED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.­..AND HOW IS IT THT THESE CO. AND FINANICAL INSTITUTIONS CAN GET MONEY BUT, WE THE CONSUMERS WHO ACTUALLY SPEND THE MONEY CANNOT GET LOANS, OUR HOUSES ARE WORTH NOTHING, COLLEGE LOANS HAVE DRIED UP....SO, MY QUESTION IS....IF WE KEEP GIVING ALL THIS MONEY TO THESE CO. HOW WILL THESE CO. SURVIVE IF WE, THE CONSUMERS HAVE NO MONEY TO SPEND? THEY WOULD STILL FAIL NO?

SOMEONE HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND­....TOP DOWN...DOE­S NOT WORK....LE­TS TRY SOME BOTTOM UP RESTRUCTUI­NG....NO?!­!

BUZZARDSTKE

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 12/04/2008
- Kassandra I'm a Fan of Kassandra 99 fans permalink
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If they fail, you will have no $$ to spend. The ripples will take down what's left of the economy. If they don't fail, we MAY have a chance. Try to think beyond your nose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 12/04/2008

Remember that all these automakers are multinational companies. It's not Henry Ford banging out Model Ts any more.

GM owns Opel and Vauxhall and FIAT owns a chunk of GM. Ford makes
all kinds of small (sub 1.5-liter) cars and sells them all over the world - except
here. When Mercedes-Benz located in Alabama and got non-union tax
breaks, M-B and Chrysler were one company. Every one of the big 3 has
joint ventures with Asian automakers to build components and cars in Asia.

It's not Us vs. Them, or Domestic vs. Foreign. It's This Multinational or That
Multinational. Just because the CEOs are Americans and our grandparents
bought Dodge, Ford, or Chevy doesn't mean squat in this discussion.

Rewarding multinationals with a big loan just means they'll go back to sitting
in their private jets for another year.

If they wanted to sell fuel-efficient cars
here, they've got them right now - Today. But they'll tell you that they can't
sell a car with less than a 2.5-liter engine in America - when Mini Cooper
sells every car they can build at top dollar and Honda sells the Fit and
Toyota sells the Yaris as fast as they can build them. And Honda/Toyota/Kia
and others are building those cars here.

It's just not as simple as the discussion has been framed to
seem.

JZ

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 12/04/2008

really great points.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 12/04/2008
- SimJack I'm a Fan of SimJack 75 fans permalink
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I'll think about that bailout. You think about merger and consolidation, dropping the crappy brands/models. Buick, Oldsmobile, give me a break. Of the three CEO's 2 need to go or accept subordinate positions within the newly structured company. That means you can loose a ton of VP's as well. Hey, they can go start their own company if they think they're savvy, innovative and entrepreneurial enough but I think not, they've had it too easy. Rolling up their sleeves is probably handled by their personal assistants and heaven forbid they might break a nail or get grease on their soft, manicured hands. You want a bailout, then grab a bucket.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 12/04/2008
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Detroit automakers are not the employers they used to be. UPS employs more people than GM and Ford combined. Four times more. It's difficult to see the public interest here in a publicly-funded bail-out when other auto producers in the U. S., Toyota USA, NIssan USA and BMW are all expanding without any assistance from this government.

And if there is a public interest at stake then there has to be a restructuring plan for the domestic auto industry, not for three corporate entities with failed business plans.

In the absence of that a Detroit bail-out is about as useful as putting gas in the tank of a car going in circles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 AM on 12/04/2008

UPS doesn't not employ nearly as many secondary as employees as the automakers. Most of the parts that go into a car are not built by the automakers, but by secondary supplies. And then there is the 1 million people that work at the domestic dealerships.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 12/04/2008
- Pharos I'm a Fan of Pharos 9 fans permalink

Toyota USA, NIssan USA and BMW are all experiencing seriously declining sales. This is a financial crisis affecting the auto industry. It has nothing to do with Detroit's decisions. BTW Toyota USA, NIssan USA and BMW have already gotten a government bailout; just not a US government bailout..

This is all about Congress busting the Unions (which seems strange for Democrats)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 12/04/2008
- Kassandra I'm a Fan of Kassandra 99 fans permalink
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I couldn't agree more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 12/04/2008
- baghdadjoe I'm a Fan of baghdadjoe 37 fans permalink

Why are people forgetting that we already bailed out Chrysler in the 1980's? They promised - PROMISED us that they would make better, more fuel efficient cars. Instead, they made their gas-guzzling hulks even bigger. And guess what - here they are again, lining up for more handouts after their terrible business plan inevitably failed.

Chrysler was lying then, and these Detroit CEO's are lying now. They have no intention of acting in the national interest by building green, fuel-efficient or electric cars. We should not trust them, and we should not give these companies any bailout money until they replace the boards and executives of these failed automakers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 AM on 12/04/2008

Chrysler paid back that loan, early, with interest.

And they made more fuel efficient cars. (K-car, 41 mpg) And guess what? People topped buying small cars and started buying SUVs and trucks, so they built SUVs and trucks, and guess what? People bought those!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 12/04/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 277 fans permalink

Europe , japan , china and Korea all are protected markets ( generally from each others dumping).

Each has government paid healthcare. The Asian car makers have zero interest loans and paid for research and development. Pls add up the ongoing government support for the past 50 years there.


Europe car makers will get around a 100 billion bailout. Detroit builds such lousy cars that they are still more than 50% of the market here and until this year GM was the largest automaker in the world.

Toyotas Fleet average MPG is 2 miles less per gallon than in 1987.

And of course these 3 execs explain why MFG in this country has gone from 32% of our GDP to 9%. Detroit being half of whats left.

We are losing 250-400K jobs per month and have not created a single private sector job in 8 years.


This will be long term unemployment, food stamps, unemployment, more forcclosures (and thus more financial bailout costs). They will default on their binds which are held by pension funds... and U.S. taxpayers will pick up their healtbhcare and pension costs (ERISA). Min cost 200 billion... likely to be 10trillion.

It cost 100K to create a new job.. so lets lose between 3 million and 10 million more and some how think... this will not be a depression! It will be the end of the Obama presidency.

But we lost steel, electronics, textile, ship building, appliances­... it must be all Detroit..


Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 12/03/2008
- Beachchick I'm a Fan of Beachchick 359 fans permalink
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Nationalize, restructure, and sell back into the private market for a profit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 12/03/2008
- MsCanadian I'm a Fan of MsCanadian 7 fans permalink
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Bailout = waste of money. I say let them go into bankruptcy and restructure. If we bail them out now, they will just be back in another three months. These CEO's should all be fired for their irresponsibility regarding planning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 PM on 12/03/2008

it's not a bailout, it's a freakin LOAN!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 12/04/2008
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Why don't people get that? Why does everyone keep calling it a bailout?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 12/04/2008
- Twinkie I'm a Fan of Twinkie 3 fans permalink

If the big 3 fail then there is no more US car industry to protect. The tarriffs and restrictions become null and void and then the Japanese and Euro car makers close their US plants and move to Mexico where the labour is much cheaper. 5-6 million jobs gone, the US goes into a depression.

Now which part of that don't ppl understand? All this idealistic rubbish about not bailing out the automakers is ridiculous. $35bn is nothing compared to what losing them will cost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 12/03/2008
- baghdadjoe I'm a Fan of baghdadjoe 37 fans permalink

But $35 billion is only the beginning, only enough to keep them going another few months. With GM burning $5 billion a month all by itself, that $35 billion will be gone fast, and these "Detroit CEO's" will be back, hat in hand, begging for more.

Capitalists begging for socialist handouts is unseemly to say the least. And these CEO's are guilty of almost criminal incompetence in destroying their companies. Handing out taxpayer monies to these terrible managers would be throwing our money away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 12/04/2008
- Plank I'm a Fan of Plank 5 fans permalink

It's far too easy to blame the auto industry for a global economic crisis, primarily created by wall street speculators, and forget that this is a global problem. Declines in sales are reported for all manufacturers, domestic or foreign. The big difference is that our congress, the masters of blowing budgets and gross inefficiency, is playing games with people's lives. Consider for a minute, what other countries are doing to support their auto industry:
1. The French government already allocated $25 Billion to help Peugeot/Citroen.
2. The German government agreed to guarantee 1.27 Billion for Opel, just in case.
3. The Chinese are pushing policy changes, including lower taxes and subsidies for technology and protection against competition from foreign automakers.
4. Canada is setting aside $2.5 billion to help subsidiaries of the Big 3.
5. Brazil stepped in with $3.5 Billion to boost the credit available for car loans.
6. Spain provided $1 Billion in funding to its auto industry to preserve jobs.
7. Australia will use $2.3 Billion to stimulate their auto industry.
8. Russia provides assistance to its auto industry from a $187.5 Billion state aid package.

In this country, priorities are misplaced. We've already given hundreds of billions to finance companies -- and hardly demanded anything. Yet we balk at the idea of giving $25 billion to the Big 3. Heck, we shoveled that exact amount to Citigroup -- $25 billion -- just weeks ago.
Does the word "hypocrisy" ring a bell?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 12/03/2008
- Twinkie I'm a Fan of Twinkie 3 fans permalink

exactly, some folks here seem more interested in ideology than reality

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 12/03/2008
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Thank you for this post! I was looking for these numbers the other day. Agree with every word you said!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 12/04/2008
- mauibob I'm a Fan of mauibob 21 fans permalink

"delay payments to a multibilli­on-dollar, union-run health care trust"

"scale back a jobs bank "

Thats it? Delaying payments to a fund solves nothing, just pushes the timetable further out and paying people not to work should be a no brainer to toss out completely. Unbelievable. None of my money for them. I have to pay my own health insurance and if I dont work, I don't get paid.

UAW, you negotiated it, now toy live with the consequences. Chapter 11

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 12/03/2008
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So you are all for MILLIONS of Americans losing their jobs and with it, homes and putting them all on the Taxpayer dole in another way.

Sorry but your anti union idiocy is showing through. The unions didn't create this mess, management did. All the unions do is build the cars they are told to.

CEO's for decades have lobbyied against better gas mileage, getting exemptions for SUV's by claming they are legally trucks which are also exempt since they use the same chassis.

So spare me this bs about unions being the problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 12/03/2008

and Private Jets have nothing to do with it either! If you knew anything about the Labor agreements in the past 5 yrs, you'd know non-union workers and union worker wages are practically the same in the aout industry. How bout stop bending over for the banks and get the credit going so people can get loans to buy cars again. US Auto Industry creates more fuel efficient cars than the foreign car companies. And since you didn't know, the Big 3 job bank has only 3500 people in it, and they don't sit around, many do civic work in communities. But I guess helping families is not in your interest you American hating commy!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 12/04/2008

We should not be giving out money to banks especially.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 12/03/2008

They won't make better cars, they are lieing. We should not bail them out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 12/03/2008

they are already making better cars. have more cars that get 30 miles per gallon that the non-us market. IT'S A LOAN!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 12/04/2008
- cylindar I'm a Fan of cylindar 7 fans permalink

We should not bail out the automobile mfg's. The big three have been planning to screw the union anyways by shifting mfg. overseas. This is the big secret they don't want anyone to know right now. The UAW is so stupid for even listening to the mfg's. I guess they are because they know their time is up and they want to save their butts, but it won't work. The numnbers and ogic are not there for Detroit to survive. Why is it so hard for people here to realize that this is just one of many sgments of mfg. that have left our shores. Man, are people stupid or what?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 12/03/2008
- baghdadjoe I'm a Fan of baghdadjoe 37 fans permalink

The Detroit CEO's are talking about HUGE job losses even with the $34 billion taxpayer bailout.

These dopes have run their companies into the ground. These "free marketeer" Detroit CEO's are usually telling us how important it is to let the free market work in its own way. Well, this is a good time for them to do just that. The free market has decided: Amercans don't want to buy Detroit's obsolete, low quality gas-guzzling junk. It's time for these Detroit CEO's to pull themselves and their failed companies up by their own bootstraps - if they can.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 12/03/2008

nobody can get a loan. Unfreeze the credit and stop people from losing jobs in this economic recession. How on earth you can be for allowing the US Auto Industry to flop is beyond belief and begging for a Depression.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 12/04/2008
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