Carmakers' bailout pleas hit Senate skepticism

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JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS | December 4, 2008 11:27 PM EST | AP

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Auto executives, from left, General Motors Chief Executive Officer Richard Wagoner, UAW President Ron Gettelfinger, Ford Chief Executive Officer Alan Mulally, and Chrysler Chief Executive Officer Robert Nardelli testify on Capitol Hill in Washington, Thursday, Dec. 4, 2008, before a Senate Banking Committee hearing on the auto industry bailout. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)

WASHINGTON — Desperate U.S. automakers ran into fresh obstacles from skeptical lawmakers Thursday as they appealed with rising urgency _ and a new dose of humility _ for a $34 billion bailout. Without help, said one senator, "we're looking at a death sentence."

With lawmakers in both parties pressing the automakers to consider a pre-negotiated bankruptcy _ something they have consistently shunned _ the Big Three were contemplating a government-run restructuring that could yield results similar to bankruptcy, including massive downsizing, in return for the bailout billions. But there was no assurance they could get even that.

And that wasn't all the unwelcome news. Congressional officials said one leading proposal _ to tap an already approved fund set aside for making cars environmentally efficient _ wouldn't give the carmakers nearly as much money as they say they need.

The auto executives pleaded with lawmakers at a contentious Capitol Hill hearing _ their second round in less than a month _ for emergency aid before year's end. But with time running out on the current Congress, skepticism about the bailout appeared to be as strong as ever.

"In all due respect, folks, I don't think there's faith that the next ... three months will work out, given the past history," said Sen. Charles E. Schumer, D-N.Y.

"No thinking person thinks that all three companies can survive," said Republican Sen. Bob Corker of Tennessee.

Chris Dodd, chairman of the Banking Committee, was the senator who spoke of a death sentence _ though he also said, "We're not going to leave town without trying" to help.

The auto executives are to make their case at a House hearing on Friday, and Congress could take up rescue legislation next week in an emergency session.

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But Democratic congressional leaders were leaning on the White House to act on its own. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., wrote to President George W. Bush on Thursday asking him, as they have repeatedly, to use the $700 billion Wall Street rescue fund to help the auto makers _ something the administration has consistently refused to do. They argued that such a course was justified because of the potential for grave harm to the financial sector in the event of a carmaker collapse.

Auto state lawmakers went further, threatening to block the administration's access to the second half of the financial bailout fund unless it made "a firm commitment to assist working Americans and save American jobs."

The clear implication was that no more Wall Street aid would be available without help for the Big Three.

"I think they'll read between the lines," said Rep. Fred Upton, R-Mich., who teamed with Democratic Rep. John Dingell, also of Michigan, in a letter to colleagues outlining their position.

Under legislation enacted in October creating the financial industry rescue program, Congress can vote to block the Treasury Department from accessing the second $350 billion, although it would need a two-thirds supermajority to do so over a presidential veto.

Bush, too, voiced skepticism about an auto rescue package.

"No matter how important the autos are to our economy, we don't want to put good money after bad. In other words, we want to make sure that the plan they develop is one that ensures their long-term viability for the sake of the taxpayer," he said in an interview with NBC News.

President-elect Barack Obama was keeping his distance, prompting Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., who has been dealing with both the financial bailout and the auto rescue proposal to say Obama is "going to have to be more assertive than he's been." Frank is chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, which will conduct Friday's hearing.

Repentant after a botched first crack at bailout pleas, the executives from General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC all agreed during Thursday's session that a multibillion-dollar bailout deal would include a supervisory government board that could order major overhauls of the companies if deemed necessary for survival.

United Auto Workers union President Ron Gettelfinger, aligned with the industry in pressing for the aid warned that without action by Congress: "I believe we could lose General Motors by the end of this month." He said the situation was dire and time was of the essence.

The Big Three CEOs apologized for past blunders. "We made mistakes, which we're learning from," GM chief Rick Wagoner said. Ford CEO Alan Mulally also acknowledged missteps, saying his company's approach once was "If you build it, they will come."

But as a result of the misjudgments, he said, "we are really focused."

The Bush administration wants the aid to be drawn from an existing $25 billion program to help the industry retool its plants to make their vehicles more fuel-efficient.

But congressional budget analysts said Thursday that would yield only $7.5 billion in short-term loans.

The auto executives made the trip from Detroit in new-model hybrid autos made by their respective companies, two weeks after a first appeal for $25 billion in which they were chided for flying on private jets to beg for money.

Chrysler CEO Bob Nardelli promised that his company, recipient of a previous government-subsidized rescue loan in the 1970s that it repaid, would reimburse taxpayers by 2012 this time and would devote itself to manufacturing "fuel-efficient cars and trucks that people want to buy."

Asked whether the carmakers would agree to a setup like the one established for Chrysler's 1979 bailout, with a federal restructuring trustee who had some of the same powers as a bankruptcy court, all three executives indicated they would. Ford's Mulally added, "I probably need to think about that a little bit. It sounds right, but I just don't know all of the implications."

Lawmakers still complained of sticker shock, noting that the bailout's price tag had jumped $9 billion since the trio last appeared.

Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama, the senior Republican on the Banking Committee, pressed the automakers to explain why, and explain how the sum would not simply "prop up a failed business model for a few months ... and how are you going to pay it back?"

Democrats, too, questioned whether an auto bailout would amount to investing taxpayer money in a failing enterprise.

"Be honest and tell me ... just tell me if things stay the way they are now, are you going to be back in a year" asking for more money? asked Sen. Jon Tester, D-Mont.

Protesters who briefly interrupted the hearing were a reminder of what polls show is thin public support for a rescue. "The bailout is a sellout!" demonstrators chanted as they were escorted from the hearing room by police.

Gene L. Dodaro, the top official at Congress' watchdog agency _ the Government Accountability Office _ agreed with Dodd that the financial industry rescue fund set up in October "is worded broadly enough" to permit it to be tapped for the automakers.

Dodaro testified that the Federal Reserve also has the authority under existing law to make loans to the domestic auto industry if it so chooses.

Dodd said that both Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke had been invited to testify at Thursday's hearing but had declined. He later criticized the treasury chief for traveling to China at a time of economic peril in the U.S.

"Time to come home _ we have a serious problem here," Dodd said. "I need the Federal Reserve to step up as well."

Though the current total request is $34 billion, Ford's proposal says it might have to come back with a second request for an additional $4 billion if the recession persists into 2010, raising the total even higher.

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Associated Press writers Ken Thomas and Tom Raum contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — Desperate U.S. automakers ran into fresh obstacles from skeptical lawmakers Thursday as they appealed with rising urgency _ and a new dose of humility _ for a $34 billion bailout. W...
WASHINGTON — Desperate U.S. automakers ran into fresh obstacles from skeptical lawmakers Thursday as they appealed with rising urgency _ and a new dose of humility _ for a $34 billion bailout. W...
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6. Congress should install Steve Jobs/Tesla­/Google/te­ch company CEO to run the big three.
- The current model of a tech start-up guy running an auto company is Tesla motors. The sell a $109,000 electric car that seats 2, have tons of orders, and still loses tons of money. Plus they have managed to build 60 cars so far this year, despite the millions of dollars they've blown through. They have proven by losing tons of money they can build a good and interesting car, but have also proved they cannot run a car company.
The Tech world and the manufacturing world are vastly different fields, and success in one does not translate into success in the other. It's like saying a basketball team with Peyton Manning, Alex Rodriguez, Sidney Crosby, and Tiger Woods would be unstoppable! yeah, they're great athletes, but it's not their sport.. The government would be buying more debt with that 3 billion than GM is currently asking for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 12/05/2008

3. Domestic Automakers don't produce vehicles anyone wants to buy/no one is buying their product.
-Last month GM sold more cars in the US than any other automaker. Ford has increased it's market share the past two months, and posted slower declines in sales than Toyota/Hon­da/Nissan. The number one selling vehicle in the country is a Ford, and the number two selling vehicle is a Chevy.

4. Gm is only worth 3 billion. How can they ask for ~18 billion?
-Over the last 12 months, GM's revenue was 165.5 billion dollars. And this last quarter (which was their worst qaurter ina long long time, their revenue was ~38 billion. The amount their asking for is a fraction of their revenue.

5. Why doesn't the government just buy GM for 3 billion.
- By buying that 3 billion, the government would then be on the hook for all of Gm's debts. All of the pension and health care costs to its retirees, all the health care costs for it's current workers, and various other debts. The government would be buying more debt with that 3 billion than GM is currently asking for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 12/05/2008

For all the "great ideas" that keep popping up over and over on these boards:

1. Detroit needs to make more green/elec­tric/hybri­d cars as part of the bailout.
-First, Detroit already makes many hybrid and small cars, and has more on the way. Especially Ford with it's Fusion/Escape hybrids, European small cars, and GM with the Volt. Second, if your goal is to make these companies profitable, small and green cars are HORRIBLE ideas. Especially right now. Prius sales tanked 48% in November, more the MG, Chrysler, and Ford did as a whole. Plus many automotive experts agree the Prius is still a money loser for Toyota. So how is spending even more money to rapidly produce cars that are selling at smaller volumes with little to negative profit going to help these comapnies.

2. Fire all the executives.
- Can't defend GM's but Chrysler's president was the head of Toyota of America for many years until a year ago. Just the sort of person most people on these boards are saying OCngress should install. Ford's CEO lead the turn-around of manufacturing giant Beoing by guiding the development of the Dreamliner, which is 25% more fuel efficient that the competition. Under his watch, Consumer Reports has stated that Ford's wuality is on par with the best of the Japanese manufactures, and Ford has actually increased market share the past two months.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 12/05/2008
- mheister I'm a Fan of mheister 43 fans permalink
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I'm with Michael Moore. Buy out & nationalize all three of these companies, fire or put their executives under the heel of new Commerce Secretary Bill Richardson, and institute a national-e­mergency-s­peed retooling to chug out smaller, greener vehicles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 AM on 12/05/2008
- katok I'm a Fan of katok 5 fans permalink
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Soon no one will be working or have any money. But god Damn it, Corporate America will be "fundamentally sound". One day your kids will not come home from school. They will be raised by DHS for the fuderland. All us Whining bi-atches will be turned into fertilizer,and the world of the "Charmed Ones" can go merrily along

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 12/04/2008
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I keep hearing about why the auto industry thinks it's too important not to bail it out and how serious it would be to have any of the big 3 fail. What the auto makers don't seem to be talking about is how they plan to turn things around.

How are they going to make their cars more appealing so they'll sell more? That's what they need to be talking about. If they can't answer that, then this is just a temporary measure to let the executives get better positioned for the inevitable failure that will come a little farther down the road.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 12/04/2008
- betz55 I'm a Fan of betz55 39 fans permalink

WHOAH ! Back up here a moment. Didn't we just hear a while back that if the banking system didn't get our money we would have an economic meltdown ? Now we're being told that if we don't bailout the deaf, dumb, and blind american auto industry it will lead to an economic meltdown? AGAIN ? Let the oil companies bail out these car companies that keep pushing SUV's and bigger and bigger trucks down our throats !!! They have had years to get it together, remember when we bailed them out in the 90's ? Make a decent product- you're just a business like any other......poor quality & performance for decades.
Ford makes well designed European models , how hard is it move a factory?
LET THEM FAIL...LET THEM FAIL....LET THEM FAIL....LET THEM FAIL....LET THEM FAIL....!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 12/04/2008

It seems to me that the only sure fire way for these companies to stay in business is to SELL MORE CARS...to someone....anyone. Frankly, I don't see that happening so they're going out of business eventually anyway. The loan/bailout will only cushion that decline. Now that might not be a bad thing. It would give everyone involved some time to figure out how to realign themselves, but putting their head in the sand over this is not a viable option.
Of course, maybe one of them will come out with a really cool hybrid that costs next to nothing. That would work...hasn't happened up to now, but you never know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 12/04/2008
- Giada I'm a Fan of Giada 18 fans permalink
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My point as well ... where is the market? Toyota is down 34%, autos are sitting in Long Beach docks.

Banks aren't lending, cars aren't selling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 12/04/2008
- gcallaghan I'm a Fan of gcallaghan 52 fans permalink
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People aren't working, families aren't buying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 12/04/2008
- sloreader I'm a Fan of sloreader 16 fans permalink

Any help should come from the $700 Billion already earmarked for helping the economy. The money given to the Banks has been squandered so why not put at least some of it to good use?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 12/04/2008

Yeah really, I guess because they want to P|ss it away on rich bankers like the last round of bailouts (and all the hidden bailouts)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 12/04/2008
- LAThinker I'm a Fan of LAThinker 16 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 12/04/2008

Congress should kick the BODs and current management of all three to the curb (SANS golden parachutes), turn them over to the unions and *LOAN* THEM the money to reorganize.

It couldn't be any worse than continuing to let these three clueless @$$hats run the show.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_employee-owned_companies

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 12/04/2008
- munki I'm a Fan of munki 32 fans permalink
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Could our government hire those unemployed skill workers - especially with financial background to be bailout money compliance officers?

Perhaps we can utilize watchdog to make sure our money is spent where it is suppose to. This way, we can lower unemployment - creating job to protect taxpayers!

Editor, please convey this to Capitol Hill and incoming Administration!
Thank you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 12/04/2008
- Mike169 I'm a Fan of Mike169 37 fans permalink
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They all drove in a '68 Chevy Nova - now can they please have the money?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 12/04/2008
- Teritt I'm a Fan of Teritt 9 fans permalink

I'm watching it on C-Span and can't help but notice that none of the Republican lawmakers (Shelby, Crapo, etc) are wearing a flag pin....does anyone else think that's a little strange? Is it due to the fact that they don't care about 'American' car manufacturers or just a sign that the flag pin was just another election ploy?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 12/04/2008
- Mike169 I'm a Fan of Mike169 37 fans permalink
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I think it's due to the fact that there's no American Car Manufacturer's Flag to make a pin out of.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 12/04/2008

They were all recalled after faulty pin welds began to fail...heh heh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 12/04/2008
- Teritt I'm a Fan of Teritt 9 fans permalink

Forgot to mention that dear Libby Dole doesn't have one eitehr.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 12/04/2008

Is she still showing up for work?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 12/04/2008
- w8aminute I'm a Fan of w8aminute 16 fans permalink

Corker R-TN, isn't wearing one either....hmmm...I smell a Republican 'anti-American' conspiracy. And they said liberals hated America.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 12/04/2008

Because the republicans are owned by China. They were purchased in return for free trade.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 12/04/2008
- NYCIC I'm a Fan of NYCIC 6 fans permalink
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"Let the market work." I, for one, am so incredibly weary of hearing about the magic of the market. You haven't yet had enough of a beating by Adam smith's invisible hand, eh? Perhaps more of the same will make you come to your senses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 12/04/2008

I should have responded to your comments before adding my own. I don't see how nationalzing the companies keeps them in business. American car companies have a bad reputation (deserved or not) for quality vs. value. If they become the USA Car Company, what would drive anyone to actually BUY one of the cars?

They've been floundering for a number of years; losing market share steadily. This is a "last straw" situation. We can prop them up for awhile, but unless they make something I want to buy (or pass a law forcing me to buy one) I don't see how this does anything but postpone the eventual result of a company making products no one wants.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 12/04/2008
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