Medical Marijuana Now Legal In Michigan, But Rules Unclear

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BEN LEUBSDORF | December 4, 2008 09:06 PM EST | AP

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DETROIT — Medical marijuana became legal in Michigan on Thursday, but smoking a joint could still get patients arrested because the regulations needed to protect them won't be ready for months.

The law approved by voters in November allows patients with cancer, HIV, AIDS, glaucoma and other diseases to use marijuana to relieve their symptoms on a doctor's recommendation.

Qualifying patients can register with the state and receive ID cards allowing them to legally acquire, possess, grow, transport and use a limited amount _ no more than 2.5 ounces and 12 plants _ of marijuana. They also can designate a primary caregiver to receive similar protection.

But those cards won't be issued until the Department of Community Health introduces guidelines addressing how applications will be handled, what fees will be charged and other issues. The rules must be finalized by April 4.

Until then, anyone possessing marijuana _ even patients who could later qualify for the program _ can be arrested and prosecuted, though the law allows patients to use a medical-justification defense at trial.

"We have this void where this takes effect now, but there are no rules, regulations or guidance for the people who want to use it or the people who enforce the laws," said Jim Valentine, chief of police in Lowell and first vice president of the Michigan Association of Chiefs of Police.

Officers in Lowell will arrest marijuana users even if they claim to be patients awaiting cards, Valentine said. He said he'll let the prosecutor decide whether to pursue charges.

A medical-marijuana program nearly identical to Michigan's was implemented without major incident in Rhode Island in 2006, said Charles Alexandre, who oversees the program as chief of health professions regulation in Rhode Island's Department of Health. That state also had a period where the law went into effect before the regulations were in place, and patients simply had to wait until the rules were in order.

"It's been very quiet," Alexandre said.

Michigan is the 13th state to allow medicinal use of marijuana, though the state's law doesn't address how patients can obtain it. It's illegal to sell marijuana, even to registered patients. That's also the case in several other states.

Police in Michigan say they want guidance on the issue, and some experts said the Legislature may have to intervene if that or any other aspect of the program becomes a problem.

DETROIT — Medical marijuana became legal in Michigan on Thursday, but smoking a joint could still get patients arrested because the regulations needed to protect them won't be ready for months. ...
DETROIT — Medical marijuana became legal in Michigan on Thursday, but smoking a joint could still get patients arrested because the regulations needed to protect them won't be ready for months. ...
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- Wiredwilly I'm a Fan of Wiredwilly 23 fans permalink

Good for Michigan. A brief moment of sanity in an otherwise daft culture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 AM on 12/07/2008
- batguano I'm a Fan of batguano 48 fans permalink

The insanity and abuse of the anti-marijuana laws extends beyond medicinal marijuana to Industrial Hemp (IH), that has thousands of uses and enormous economic value, yet still the madness, ignorance and greed of the "Drug War" fools, and corporations and businesses that benefit from it's continued illegality continues. Please review the following websites for a different perspective.

We humans have evolved with cannabinoids and they have enormous health related benefits for our bodies.......for mankind. http://www.thc-ministry.net/cannabinoids.html
At a time when Big Pharma pushes their deadly "legal" obscenely expensive drugs that cause the deaths of tens of thousands annually and cigarettes and alcohol kill thousands more, it is an abomination that otherwise law-abiding people are dragged into the criminal "justice" system and have their lives and those of their families ruined for smoking Cannabis.

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/ncnu02/v5-284.html
http://www.votehemp.com/overview.html
http://nynorml.org/news.html

RESIST THE PHONEY "WAR ON DRUGS"! Legalize it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 12/06/2008
- Nomadius I'm a Fan of Nomadius 2 fans permalink
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By the way Mr BUSH and Mr. SCHWARTZENEGGER both of you are invited to answer the same questions I was asking to Mr. OBAMA (in my previous post ), since both of you have smoked pot.

What if you would have been arrested back then when you were cosumming pot and charged? Would you considere those charges and criminal records as a huge mistake and waste?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 12/06/2008
- Nomadius I'm a Fan of Nomadius 2 fans permalink
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Mr.Obama: What if you would have been arrested back then when you were cosumming pot and charged? In my opinion your whole life and promising future would have been trashed just like the lives of all the marijuana consumers who endup arrested and then criminalized.

Did smoking pot made you a danger for the society? Did smoking pot handicaped you for reaching a status of outstanding citizen. Did smoking pot made you a drug addict and a criminal?

Do you think it is fair for people who do the same things you did, to endup with there lives ruined?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 12/06/2008
- MIVOTE I'm a Fan of MIVOTE 146 fans permalink
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What does Obama have to do with Michigan voters deciding for their state what can be legal?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 12/06/2008
- Nomadius I'm a Fan of Nomadius 2 fans permalink
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Simple. Take a look at California where thay have passed a similar law, and they constantly clash with the DEA and other federal agencies interfering the state law, the one voted by its residents. Do you get the point now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 12/06/2008
- zizyphus I'm a Fan of zizyphus 106 fans permalink
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On our island, a 66 year old man was busted with a bunch of plants. He had apparently been making good money and supporting his family growing medical marijuana, though he had exceeded the limit of allowable plants. He was just sentenced to 20 years in prison. In the same newspaper, was reported the sentence for a murderer- 27 years. Something horribly wrong here.

I remember as a kid, my mom describing her father taking her into "speakeasies". Prohibition never kept drinkers from imbibing back then, but it did lead to gangsterism. She also told me about "bathtub gin", and how people went blind from drinking it. I was horrified.

Bottom line: It is sad that our government, may agencies of it anyway, are run by gangsters now. They are making big money off busting potheads and stealing their stuff, and locking them up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 12/06/2008
- Runruff I'm a Fan of Runruff 2 fans permalink
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More botched raids by the DEA presented by the CATO Institute:http://www.cato.org/raidmap/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 12/06/2008
- Runruff I'm a Fan of Runruff 2 fans permalink
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Here is a history of innocent deaths due to DEA drug raid blunders:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28034925/
And here:http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/08/17/drugWarVictims.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 12/06/2008
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I want the discussion. I want facts said out loud. I want people to know the truth, not the spin. Many people have become alcholoics because of lies. People choose alcohol to relieve stress. Many because cannabis is illegal. Many people I know drink because it would hurt their mothers if they smoked an illegal drug. Even though they are adults and should be able to choose, they would be breaking their mothers hearts and the law if they chose cannibis. No mother should have her heart broken because her adult child chooses cannabis over alcohol. That is just sad. People in prison because they chose cannabis over alcohol. Rich people getting richer because they now invest in prisons.

We need change!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 AM on 12/06/2008
- fredamae I'm a Fan of fredamae 34 fans permalink

It Will Take our Collective voice, Loud and Clear to penetrate the Lawmakers thick skulls.

They are So far up the rear ends of those who Pay out Our tax money $7.7 Billion Tax Dollars Annually for Just Cannabis Eradication Programs....They Still Believe they Can Ignore US!

Well, If they maintain that position and Ignore What WE want...good bye next election.

Here is the truth.

More than 600,000 will die this year because of the effects of Legal Drugs compared to 17,000 fatalities for ALL Illgal Drug Use Combined.

Cannabis fatalities? ZERO.

Who Profits from Prohibition?
Do the Beer, Wine and Spirits Industries Want this competition?
BigPharma Cannot Mfg it and people reject their "synthesized" versions in favor of the whole, Natural plant.
The Prison Industrial Complex will likely lose Multi-Millions to Billions if all the prisoners in for Cannabis Violations were released.

Many Law Enforcement agencies would have to reduce their Drug eradication/task forces or go after actual criminals via transfers.

Drug testing Mfg will suffer a loss because what other function does a UA serve but seeking a Cannabis consumer?

Drug rehab (where you are sent at your own expense as a condition of sentencing) will suffer huge loss.
Do the math..
Prohibition Is Profit for Black Market and Lawmakers etc Alike.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 12/06/2008
- mergina I'm a Fan of mergina 83 fans permalink
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Fabulous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 12/06/2008
- countryrds I'm a Fan of countryrds 4 fans permalink

It is simple really - legalize, tax, educate, and regulate. Then, like the much more dangerous nicotine, alcohol, and prescription substances, we have some level of control.

Makes one wonder doesn't it...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 AM on 12/06/2008
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 106 fans permalink

Yes!!!! I love it when other states adopt some sort of a sane MJ policy. More and more states will do this, and compared to the Xanax, Codeine, and Soma the doctors are handing out like tic-tacs, it is safe. Since our healthcare system has become reduced to being drug dispensaries, you could do much worse than marijuana, and plenty do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 AM on 12/06/2008

You can't patent a plant. That is what a lot of this is about. They want a pill so they can control you, profit of you, tell you what to do with you own body and mind and finally make sure you can't be self-sufficient so that you will always need THEM. This is about US, not THEM so tell THEM where they can stick it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 AM on 12/06/2008

Actually - You can patent a plant and many do. All the new varieties you see in garden centers each spring are patented and licensed to the growers - just like software.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 12/06/2008
- fredamae I'm a Fan of fredamae 34 fans permalink

You cannot Patent something that occurs in Nature.

What you are referring to is that someone has "created" a patentable "Version" of the original plant.

Much like when the Feds isolated THC from the Whole Plant, Rescheduled THC From a Fed Sched I (meaning they agree it has medicinal value) and allowed BigPharma to Synthesize THC, suspend it in Sesame Oil and sell those horrible pills for about $1800.00 per month.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 12/06/2008
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The cannabis plant has stood on it's own throughout history. Waiting to make cannabis/hemp legal, until they could patent it would be a travesty and an injustice. The lies and distortion has gone on far too long. It's time to talk about the plant honestly. Money should not guide honest discussion of the plant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 12/06/2008
- bigbenny I'm a Fan of bigbenny 42 fans permalink
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Decriminalize drugs and get rid of the DEA which would save billions of dollars. Treat addiction as a medical issue not a legal problem. This would release police to pursue more violent crimes lowering crime rates and reducing gang problems in our cities, saving another bunch of money.

Tax drugs on a similar basis as alcohol and tobacco and earmark some of that money for rehabilitation and medical issues associated with the addiction problem. Apply the rest towards the deficit and cannabis drug research. This could amount to many billions of dollars plus the research could lead to medical breakthroughs that could save lives and generate many additional billions of dollars.

Release everyone who's been jailed for non violent drug offenses. This would save millions of dollars plus there would be no need to build new prisons saving more millions and the human toll that would be relieved is immeasurable.

Sell marijuana in liquor stores with similar rules to those that apply to alcohol. Allow people to grow and process limited amounts of marijuana much like they are allowed to brew beer and wine. Sell harder drugs by prescription with the supervision of a doctor.

Legalize the cultivation of hemp which can be grown almost anywhere and is almost an ideal renewable resource for fuel, fiber and food. This would open up new multi billion dollar green industries for American jobs, investment and taxing. This could be huge for the paper, cloth and building industries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 12/05/2008
- karinova I'm a Fan of karinova 27 fans permalink
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Bravo!
I defy anyone to find a downside to any of these proposals.

How hard is this, really?
(Happy 75th Anniversary of the Repeal of the 21st Amendment, everybody!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 AM on 12/06/2008
- karinova I'm a Fan of karinova 27 fans permalink
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Well, it's still the 5th for me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 AM on 12/06/2008
- magneato I'm a Fan of magneato 4 fans permalink
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When the punishment for a crime causes more suffering than the criminal act itself,
it's an unjust law..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 12/05/2008
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Just legalize pot everywhere for Pete's sake. It's no worse than alcohol. I am not a pot smoker or user of drugs except medicinally and rarely even drink a beer.

However, I am of the opinion that all drugs should be legalized and sold at your corner drugstore. Users could then be assured that what they buy is real and not poison. Or at least they could, heck you can't even be sure the food you buy at the grocery store isn't poisoned anymore.

Driving under the influence of drugs, of course, should not be allowed.

Patients needing drugs prescribed by a doctor would merely just go and buy them and not have to worry about a prescription.

Keeping drugs illegal makes criminals out of people who are only hurting themselves. It promotes criminal organizations that smuggle and distribute drugs. And it prompts law enforcement to maintain a seige warfare posture against the general populace instead of the "to serve and protect" posture that they should have.

Legalization will not cure all of the problems with drugs, but it would immediately eliminate a vast number of social ills. Abuse would be dealt with by medical professionals instead of court appointed goons. And there would still be people committing crimes to get drugs - they could still go to prison for those crimes - there is no twinky defense in my book.

Just make me emperor and I will make it all happen. Because that's the only way it will, unfortunately.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 12/05/2008
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