Bush Admin Overturns Ban On Firearms In National Parks

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MATTHEW DALY | December 6, 2008 10:27 AM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — People will soon be able to carry concealed, loaded guns in most national parks and wildlife refuges.

The Bush administration said Friday it is overturning a 25-year-old federal rule that severely restricts loaded guns in national parks.

Under a rule to take effect in January, visitors will be able to carry a loaded gun into a park or wildlife refuge _ but only if the person has a permit for a concealed weapon and if the state where the park or refuge is located also allows concealed firearms.

The new rule goes further than a draft proposal issued last spring and would allow concealed weapons even in parks located in states that explicitly ban the carrying of guns in state parks. Some states allow concealed weapons but also ban guns from parks.

"If you can carry (a gun) on Main Street, you are allowed to carry in a national park," said Chris Paolino. a spokesman for the Interior Department.

The Interior Department rule overturns a Reagan-era regulation that has restricted loaded guns in parks and wildlife refuges. The previous regulation required that firearms be unloaded and placed somewhere that is not easily accessible, such as in a car trunk.

Assistant Interior Secretary Lyle Laverty said the new rule respects a long tradition of states and the federal government working together on natural resource issues.

The regulation allows individuals to carry concealed firearms in federal parks and wildlife refuges to the same extent they can lawfully do so under state law, Laverty said, adding that the approach is in line with rules adopted by the federal Bureau of Land Management and the U.S. Forest Service. Those agencies let visitors carry weapons consistent with applicable federal and state laws.

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The National Rifle Association hailed the rule change, which will take effect next month before President-elect Barack Obama takes office.

"We are pleased that the Interior Department recognizes the right of law-abiding citizens to protect themselves and their families while enjoying America's national parks and wildlife refuges," said Chris W. Cox, the NRA's chief lobbyist.

The rule will restore the rights of law-abiding gun owners on federal lands and make federal law consistent with the state where the lands are located, Cox said. The NRA led efforts to change gun regulations they called inconsistent and unclear.

A group representing park rangers, retirees and conservation organizations said the rule change will lead to confusion for visitors, rangers and other law enforcement agencies.

"Once again, political leaders in the Bush administration have ignored the preferences of the American public by succumbing to political pressure, in this case generated by the National Rifle Association," said Bill Wade, president of the Coalition of National Park Service Retirees.

"This regulation will put visitors, employees and precious resources of the National Park System at risk. We will do everything possible to overturn it and return to a commonsense approach to guns in national parks that has been working for decades," Wade said.

The park rule will be published in the Federal Register early next week and take effect 30 days later, well before Obama takes office Jan. 20. Overturning the rule could take months or even years, since it would require the new administration to restart the lengthy rule-making process.

Nick Shapiro, a spokesman for President-elect Barack Obama's transition team, said no decision had been made on the gun rule.

"President-elect Obama will review all eleventh-hour regulations and will address them once he is president," he said.

Sen. Mike Crapo, R-Idaho, hailed the new rule. Crapo and Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., had organized letters to Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne complaining about the gun restrictions. The letters were signed by half the Senate _ 41 Republicans and nine Democrats.

"I congratulate Secretary Kempthorne for taking this stand. The rule as it has come out is what we asked for with regard to handguns," Crapo said. "It's a very, very significant improvement."

Crapo called the current rule confusing and complex and said it "literally resulted in different standards as you traveled through the same state."

But Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said the new rule was a mistake.

"The Reagan-era rules have stood the test of time and make our national parks safe for all who visit them," Feinstein said. "The Bush administration changes will make our national parks more dangerous and will upset the delicate balance that exists between park visitors and wildlife."

Interior spokesman Paolino said the rule would not affect a ban on guns in federal buildings. Guns will still be prohibited in national icons such as Independence Hall and the Statue of Liberty, he said. Guns also will be banned in visitor centers and other buildings at national parks.

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Associated Press Writer Dina Cappiello contributed to this story

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On the Net:

Interior Department: http://www.doi.gov

National Parks Conservation Association: http://www.npca.org

WASHINGTON — People will soon be able to carry concealed, loaded guns in most national parks and wildlife refuges. The Bush administration said Friday it is overturning a 25-year-old federal ru...
WASHINGTON — People will soon be able to carry concealed, loaded guns in most national parks and wildlife refuges. The Bush administration said Friday it is overturning a 25-year-old federal ru...
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- irisda I'm a Fan of irisda 8 fans permalink
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common sense gone out the window...a­gain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 12/06/2008
- Helloise I'm a Fan of Helloise 23 fans permalink

Bush is so checked out, I doubt if he's even paying attention to the odious rules being pushed through in his name. Per usual, he's letting the fanatics run the asylum and staying in the quiet room fantasizing about his his legacy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 12/06/2008
- wm1066 I'm a Fan of wm1066 33 fans permalink
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I was at Garden of the Gods park in Colorado around the 4th of July twenty years ago and people were having battles with bottle rockets and roman candles from the rocks, that wasn't much fun.
This is just insane. And I can't see a valid reason for it, to many families visit the parks.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 12/06/2008

Sorry, why is it that one needs a gun in a National Park--concealed or otherwise?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 12/06/2008
- wadenelson1 I'm a Fan of wadenelson1 230 fans permalink
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Protection from bears and mountain lions -- at least around here. Many of my friends who hike, especially alone, carry a small caliber pistol, as much to make noise and scare the creature off as to wound or kill it.

Next you add the common break-in to vehicles parked at trailheads, and we're all probably better off NOT having weapons left in vehicle trunks.

I will point out, however, that even among my pistol-packing, liberal, tree-hugging friends, they ALL agree the most dangerous creatures out on the trails are typically OTHER humans.

Drunk hunters who will shoot at anything that moves are the much bigger danger to hikers, bikers, and the rest of us. Discharging a firearm with a blood alcohol level over that at which you're allowed to drive should be a felony. Either hunt or drink. Not both.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 12/06/2008
- JulieSA I'm a Fan of JulieSA 165 fans permalink
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To protect oneself. Duh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 12/06/2008
- wordvarc I'm a Fan of wordvarc 31 fans permalink

Again w provides a debatable question: is he cognitively impaired, intellectually and socially challenged, or just another extremist zealot?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 12/06/2008
- DMcMillan I'm a Fan of DMcMillan 9 fans permalink
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Why did he do this? Is this a faith based initiative? Or is this so Mericans can better protect themselves from t e r r o r i s t s while enjoying the parks? Omg he is so fn stoopid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 12/06/2008
- dougiec I'm a Fan of dougiec 3 fans permalink
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Is there any word on progress of " The first shot is free" rule? Wasn't this next on the Bush agenda before the economy went south?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 12/06/2008
- proggirl I'm a Fan of proggirl 92 fans permalink
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The latest nail in the coffin Bush is building to bury America.
http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/im_really_gonna_miss

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 12/06/2008
- cmbaldwin I'm a Fan of cmbaldwin 12 fans permalink

I F'N HATE GEORGE BUSH. HE CAN'T LEAVE OFFICE SOON ENOUGH..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 12/06/2008

Serious question from a non-U.S. citizen. Why the long period between the election and the change of administration? In my country, the change pretty much takes place the day after. This interregnum seems to be a liability, especially with someone as limited, both intellectually and morally, as Bush Jr. leaving office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 12/06/2008

Because presidential elections traditionally happen in November and January 20th is the date of transition set by the US Constitution (via amendment). Changing the Jan 20th date would require another amendment which is a very tough thing to do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 12/06/2008
- UncleDave I'm a Fan of UncleDave 8 fans permalink

Probably enacted at a time when it took several weeks to travel long distance. The roads were basically cowpaths in much of the country back then.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 12/06/2008
- acacia72 I'm a Fan of acacia72 5 fans permalink

There would be a time lag between presidents no matter what, and a couple of months is not too bad, except for when there's someone REALLY BAD in office. Like now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 12/07/2008

Actually there has even been an even onger transition. Up to Roosevelt the transition ended in March. I believe that this is historically based on factors like the size of the country as much as the electoral voting system.

I'd be interested what country that is where the next day the new president/prime minister is sworn in. I know that in other countries the candidates run with a "shadow cabinet" (publicly running for election with the team they would choose to govern with) which eliminates the time after the election it takes to put the new administration together.

Still it sounds sensible to me that it takes some time after winning the election to get everything in place. After all the US is not like ... Denmark for example and the geopolitical consequences are much greater.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 12/06/2008
- ROBOT8 I'm a Fan of ROBOT8 18 fans permalink
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GANG BANGERS HAVE A NEW HANG OUT GREAT! LET'S KEEP REGULAR PEOPLE OUT OF THE PARKS AND ONLY HAVE PSYCHOS

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 12/06/2008
- JulieSA I'm a Fan of JulieSA 165 fans permalink
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Gang bangers would be carrying in the parks regardless of the law. They don't obey laws.

This rule is to help the regular people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 12/06/2008
- djkrlsn I'm a Fan of djkrlsn 23 fans permalink

Gangbangers don't qualify for CCWs

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 12/08/2008
- UncleDave I'm a Fan of UncleDave 8 fans permalink

Great just great. Let's return to the 'real' Wild West'. A concealed handgun in a National Park is needed because...­..... All this is a sop to the NRA and it's dues paying members.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 12/06/2008

It's just another continuation of the NRA mantra that the US needs more gun nuts to protect us from the other gun nuts. US parks have been the safest place to go for generations, but now we have to worry about all the hillbillies getting liquored up and playing with their guns.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 12/06/2008

And just why would someone need to be carrying around a gun in a national park? I wasn't aware National Parks were high crime zones?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 12/06/2008
- bluguy8 I'm a Fan of bluguy8 22 fans permalink

if the park is in Alaska you could go moose hunting-lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 12/06/2008
- UncleDave I'm a Fan of UncleDave 8 fans permalink

If you shot a moose with a handgun,it would only piss him off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 12/06/2008
- djkrlsn I'm a Fan of djkrlsn 23 fans permalink

unless it was a hunting handgun (they do make those UncleDave--or is it just your ignorance showing?)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 PM on 12/08/2008
- JulieSA I'm a Fan of JulieSA 165 fans permalink
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One reason is so that when I'm hiking in the National Forest with my legal concealed handgun, I don't become a criminal when I crossover into the National Park.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 12/06/2008
- lisakaz2 I'm a Fan of lisakaz2 84 fans permalink
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The only ppl who should have weapons in a national park is a ranger. Thanks for putting 'em and the public at risk, Do0ofu$-in-Chief.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 12/06/2008
- Robynsmom I'm a Fan of Robynsmom 2 fans permalink
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I just have one question, why? Oh I guess anyone who wants can kill moose and polar bears.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 12/06/2008
- djkrlsn I'm a Fan of djkrlsn 23 fans permalink

No--because there really is a crime problem in this country--there are regular potfarm/drug lab finds in SoCal National Parks/Forests

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 12/08/2008
- JulieSA I'm a Fan of JulieSA 165 fans permalink
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Do you think it's better if only criminals and some rangers are carrying guns in the parks? Because that's what was happening before. Now law-abiding people are on an equal footing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 12/06/2008
- acacia72 I'm a Fan of acacia72 5 fans permalink

I'm pretty liberal-pr­ogressive, but I'm afraid I have to agee with Julie. The kooks, crooks, bangers and hillbillies ALWAYS have guns. Loaded. In their glove boxes. In their waist-bands. Everywhere. And usually more than one. bush is a doofus and dumb as a rock, but really this changes NOTHING except to allow law-abiding folks to carry them if they want w/o prosecution. Period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 12/07/2008
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