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Intel Chief To Bush: Stop Blaming Us For Your Failures

PAMELA HESS | December 9, 2008 07:34 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — Gently admonishing President George W. Bush, the nation's newly retired chief intelligence analyst on Tuesday suggested that the Iraq war was as much the failure of policymakers as it was the flawed intelligence on which they relied.

Bush told ABC News last week his biggest regret was "the intelligence failure in Iraq."

"I wish the intelligence had been different, I guess," Bush said.

Thomas Fingar, until this week the deputy director of national intelligence for analysis, declined to directly address the president's swipe. But he said: "I learned something a long time ago in this town. There are only two possibilities: policy success and intelligence failure."

Fingar is in a better position than many in the intelligence agencies to assess those possibilities. Before the Iraq invasion, he was second in command of a small group of State Department analysts that notably cast doubt_ albeit behind closed doors _ on a key Bush administration rationale for the 2003 war.

A 2002 intelligence assessment pushed by the administration contended that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein had an active nuclear, chemical and biological weapons program. Fingar's office dissented on the nuclear question.

His office "got it less wrong," he told reporters Tuesday during a valedictory round-table discussion.

But he acknowledged that the overall analysis of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction capabilities was wrong, and some of the underlying intelligence false. In fact, an exhaustive search turned up no nuclear, chemical or biological weapons or any evidence there was an active program to develop it.

Part of the blame goes to time pressure, Fingar said: The Bush administration ordered the report to be produced in less than two weeks. Similar intelligence estimates can take months or years.

"It's my observation that it's very hard to dislodge a mistaken interpretation once it gets into the head of a decisionmaker who has used it in a speech, built it into a policy, conveyed it to colleagues around the world," Fingar said. "That puts to me an awfully high premium on taking the time to get it right."

Fingar said he does not think intelligence analysts have a responsibility to correct politicians' statements that veer off the contents of secret intelligence judgments.

"I did not think that was part of my professional responsibility," he said. "That would imply excessive belief that one view is right and another view is wrong."

Instead, he said, intelligence analysts should work within the system _ point out the inaccuracy to the politician and let him correct the record, or not.

"At some point you have to try to make the system work, holding elected officials accountable, insisting that the oversight committee do their jobs," Fingar said, "not using the court of public opinion."

Speaking out publicly on intelligence carries with it the danger of turning analysts into policy advocates, he said.

The 2002 Iraq WMD failure revealed critical shortcomings in intelligence analysis which Fingar has spent the past three years trying to fix. A major challenge was getting analysts from 16 agencies access to each others' reports and analysis, a matter both of incompatible computer programs and the secretive nature of the agencies, even toward each other.

Unlike the flawed Iraq report, intelligence estimates now prominently note when analysts disagree; there is no longer an insistence that the reports reflect a consensus view.

"We had an awful lot of shared discontent in the way the community worked," Fingar said. "It proved more difficult to do it than it was to imagine it."

U.S. analysis has improved, he said.

"We're right an awful high percentage of the time," he said.

WASHINGTON — Gently admonishing President George W. Bush, the nation's newly retired chief intelligence analyst on Tuesday suggested that the Iraq war was as much the failure of policymakers as ...
WASHINGTON — Gently admonishing President George W. Bush, the nation's newly retired chief intelligence analyst on Tuesday suggested that the Iraq war was as much the failure of policymakers as ...
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01:28 PM on 12/11/2008
You certainly do not expect a Bush or a republican to be accountable for anything. For them, it is always somebody else's fault.
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12:43 AM on 12/11/2008
As long as we satisfy ourselves arguing over whether Bush or CIA is responsible, we will never get to the need for accountability. If we fail, we will have suffered being lied into war and learned nothing from it. We will by negligence set a precedent and in doing so grant future presidents permission to lie us into anything. This debate is an orchestrated distraction from the fact that the president is responsible for lying to congress and the American people. Until we hold him accountable, our democracy is dead.
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Fight The Right-Wing (R) Spin Machine! VOTE 1% OUT
08:08 PM on 12/12/2008
YES !!! The Bush, Cheney, Rove administration should be held accountable for there crimes of the last 8 years and should be indicted for them...!!!.
George Bush WILL go down as the worst President of all time !!!
12:16 AM on 12/11/2008
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/main592330.shtml

Bush's economic policies were irresponsible, Bush was unquestioning and uncurious, and the war in IRAQ WAS PLANNED FROM THE FIRST NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL MEETING, soon after the administration took office, even though Bush had promised not to engage in nation building during his campaign.

Paul O'Neill - George W. Bush's United~States Secretary of the Treasury and cabinet~member til 2002.

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http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2004/s1072282.htm

Clarke said Sunday on CBS' 60 Minutes that soon after the attacks, Bush demanded to know whether Iraq was behind them. When Clarke told him intelligence found no link, "He came back at me and said: 'Iraq! Saddam! Find out if there's a connection.' And in a very intimidating way."

After experts concluded again that Saddam Hussein played no role, Clarke said, his memo "got bounced and sent back saying, 'Wrong answer. Do it again.' "

Richard A. Clarke - U.S. government employee for 30 years, 1973-2003; Ronald Reagan's Assistant~Secretary~of~State for Intelligence; George H.W. Bush's Assistant Secretary of State for Politico~Military Affairs; Clinton's National Coordinator for Security, Infrastructure Protection, and Counter-terrorism; G.W. Bush's Chair of the Counter-terrorism Security Group.
12:29 AM on 12/11/2008
Pentagon: Iraq Intel Manipulated For White House

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/08/AR2007020802387_pf.html

Official's Key Report On Iraq Is Faulted
'Dubious' Intelligence Fueled Push for War


Intelligence provided by former undersecretary of defense Douglas J. Feith to buttress the White House case for invading Iraq included "REPORTING OF DUBIOUS QUALITY OR RELIABILITY" THAT SUPPORTED THE POLITICAL VIEWS OF SENIOR ADMINISTRATION officials rather than the conclusions of the intelligence community, according to a report by the Pentagon's inspector general.

Feith's office "was predisposed to finding a significant relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda," according to portions of the report, released yesterday by Sen. Carl M. Levin (D-Mich.). The inspector general described Feith's activities as "AN ALTERNATIVE INTELLIGENCE ASSESSMENT PROCESS."

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http://articles.latimes.com/2007/feb/10/nation/na-feith10

CIA Analysts: Over 50% Of Bush's Iraq War Justifications Untrue
Los Angeles Times | Posted February 10, 2007 05:32 PM

As the Bush administration began assembling its case for war, analysts across the U.S. intelligence community were disturbed by the report of a secretive Pentagon team that concluded Iraq had significant ties to Al Qaeda.

Analysts from the CIA and other agencies "disagreed with more than 50%" of 26 findings the Pentagon team laid out in a controversial paper, according to testimony Friday from Thomas F. Gimble, acting inspector general of the Pentagon.
12:41 AM on 12/11/2008
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/22/study-false-statements-p_n_82764.html

Study: Bush Admin Made 935 False Statements About Iraq T_hreat In March To War

DOUGLASS K. DANIEL | January 22, 2008 11:13 PM EST

WASHINGTON — A study by two nonprofit journalism organizations found that President Bush and top administration officials issued hundreds of false statements about the national security t_hreat from Iraq in the two years following the 2001 t_errorist a_ttacks.

The study concluded that the statements "were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses."

(snip)

"In short, the Bush administration led the nation to w_ar on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003."
12:43 AM on 12/11/2008
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/230707Intel.htm

National Intel Director: Bush Admin. Manipulated Iraq Intel ‘Because They Didn’t Like The Answers’

Monday July 23, 2007

In Stephen Hayes’s upcoming biography on Dick Cheney, he writes that the current Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell appears to side with “those who believe that the administration manipulated intelligence on Iraq for political purposes before the 2003 invasion.â€
12:52 AM on 12/11/2008
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10:44 PM on 12/10/2008
"We knew," he says.
"Knew what?"
"That there were no weapons in Iraq."
"Sure," I say, "people suspected. Define knew."
He pauses. The waitress refills our cups. He waits until she's out of earshot. "Well, there was an amazing intelligence mission conducted before the invasion. A British intelligence agent, a real star, their best guy, met with a head of Iraqi intelligence at a secret location. Here the whole world is on edge, and they manage a secret meeting. And the top Iraqi guy explained it all: why there were no weapons, what happened to them, why Saddam was playing this strange game of ducking and winking. And it all made sense."
"How far ahead was it?"
A few months, from what I've heard. Plenty of time to call off an invasion. Hell, you could call it off a week ahead if you really wanted to.".
I ask if the intelligence was passed to the CIA and the White House.
"Of course. Passed instantly, at the very highest levels."
"And what did he say," I ask. "Or, I guess, what did Bush say?"
"He said, F*** it. We're going in."
"The Way Of The World," Ron Suskind, pps. 184 & 185
10:35 PM on 12/10/2008
Bush is just like Blagoaway, he's arrogant, defiant and won't leave.
07:31 PM on 12/10/2008
"We're right an awful high percentage of the time," he said.


Right?

One percent of being wrong is enough to plunge us into WW 3... Who cares if you are right most of the time when the one time you are wrong has such deadly and dire consequences???
07:18 PM on 12/10/2008
And Ii wish your intelligence was different too, George. Who do you think you're kidding?
07:16 PM on 12/10/2008
Fingar said he does not think intelligence analysts have a responsibility to correct politicians' statements that veer off the contents of secret intelligence judgments.

"I did not think that was part of my professional responsibility," he said. "That would imply excessive belief that one view is right and another view is wrong."

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Why not, if the information does not support the politician's public statements? Particularly in cases where it's obvious that the politician is not interested in the full intelligence report but only tidbits that he can use to bolster his case.

That is NOT an "excessive belief that one view is right and another view is wrong." The problem is equating the "belief" of the politician and the conclusions of professionals who have taken it all into account.

A better perspective would be that you guys are TEACHERS, not subjects. The truth is that politicians don't have access to the information and knowledge that intelligence agencies have and must be taught what the truth is, what the strengths and weaknesses of the data are. Protest if the politician ignores the truth that lies outside the parameters of politics. While I agree that it wouldn't be cool to publicly disagree with a president about what he claims intelligence reports show, he can certainly be "taught" privately.

If you don't do it, nobody else can -- nobody else has your expertise. And American can be led down the garden path time and time again. Is it worth it?
01:49 AM on 12/11/2008
Finally someone points out the real problem with this ch_ckensh_ts argument. I worked for the IRS for 28 yrs in the Collection Division and I have personal knowledge that upper management, including IRS Commissioner Rosotti knew of cases where people owed IRS hundreds of thousands of dollars and could pay the debt but IRS wrote off the cases as "uncollectible". I know this because I personnally told Rosotti about it. I still to this day (I retired several yrs ago) copies of the actuall case file write ups in my possession, and the IRS knows I have them. I wrote to US Senators, met with a newspaper reporter (gave him copies of all the actual case file write ups, wrote to Newsweek mag. and to big bad O'Reilly of FOX news. Nothing ever happened and I can assure you the same thing is going on at the IRS today. This is just an example of how many of the upper management folks in government just want to keep their heads down and avoid controversy. The IRS knows who I am so they can come and get me anytime they want to prove me wrong. So keep my little story in mind as you file your tax return. Good night and good luck.
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06:54 PM on 12/10/2008
"It was the fault of the intelligence communtity."

And why exactly, Mr. President, did you have Valerie Plame's spy network exposed? You know, the spy network which was giving you intelligence that said that your statements to the press were lies?

And why did you give a Presidential pardon to Mr. Liddy, the man who could prove that your office was behind the destruction of the spy network responsible for investigating WMDs?

Rather than a failure in the intelligence community, what we have here is an intentional destruction of the intelligence communtity by the Commander-in-Chief.
06:36 PM on 12/10/2008
MEANTIME, ANOTHER ADMINISTRATION IN LOVE WITH DEBT:

More revelations present a better and more accurate view of the nature and attitude that can be expected from the Obama Presidency. And now for a taste of its attitude regarding DEBT....

http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/12/obama-second-tell_10.html
06:41 PM on 12/10/2008
Why did you pick this forum to post that message?
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12:33 AM on 12/11/2008
SPAM!!!
06:36 PM on 12/10/2008
Bush is a true Gaffe machine.

1. A clumsy social error; a faux pas: "The excursion had in his eyes been a monstrous gaffe, a breach of sensibility and good taste" Mary McCarthy.
2. A blatant mistake or misjudgment.
06:39 PM on 12/10/2008
You discount the possibility that he is doing it all on purpose so that people will think he is stupid and not culpable.
06:07 PM on 12/10/2008
I am outraged at the whimp, CYA, statements of this man. He knew, as did many others, including myself, that Bush and Cheney and team were making known false statements, not supported by either the actual, classified Iraq NIE or anything whatsoever established by the on-the-ground IAEA and UNMOVIC teams.

Further he had to know that Bush and team were deliberately misrepresenting actual contents of earlier UNSCOM reports.

To say or imply that Intelligence has no responsibility, when war and tens of thousands of lives are at stake, to escalate the truth of what is known and not known, is a severe dis-service to this nation. What in the Hell is “to work within the system,†supposed to mean? Exactly which system? How about our Constitution, which is directly linked to signed International Law by US Constitution, Article VI, item 2, “... and all treaties made ...shall be the supreme law .....†Just how long does one sit on his thumbs prior to demonstrating back bone?

He may be a good man and good at intelligence analysis, but he failed.

As I stated emphatically in early 2003, the march to the Iraq war was not an intelligence failure. Intelligence was cognizant of its lack of knowledge. It did not make “I know†statements.. The march to war was a deliberate campaign of misrepresentations of intelligence, by rounding off, embellishment, omitting all caveats, and continually claiming to “know†non-existent facts, to sell a war.
06:33 PM on 12/10/2008
Fingar's failures are Bush's failures. Stop passing the buck. Bush is responsible for the actions of his administration. If he wants to drag Finger into it, that's his business, but we start AT THE TOP.
11:37 PM on 12/10/2008
True enough but coolfireone is right that if Fringar or other people in the CIA took their oaths seriously they would have raised more of a stink internally and then either been fired or resigned and gone public. Unfortunately, while the CIA has some very competent people the overall culture has become so corrupt that the chances of that happening were nil.
08:49 PM on 12/11/2008
Remember you said that when Obama's administration makes errors..."we start AT THE TOP."
07:03 PM on 12/10/2008
Scott Ritter couldn't have said it better.
05:52 PM on 12/10/2008
There is plenty of Iraq blame to go around for Bush, Cheney and the intelligence community, but what I never hear is the totally inadequate responses of the prior administrations. Clinton's 8 years of no-fly zones and economic embargoes were a joke that did nothing but impoverish Iraqi civilians. And Bush senior kicks Sadaam out of Kuwait only to let him run home to keep butchering his own people. Since when is it good policy to unite the world against a brutal, murdering, raping, theiving dictator invading one of our allies and then turn around an just leave him in power. That was the collosal mistake of judgment. Perhaps it was a wrong Cheney felt compelled to correct.
06:28 PM on 12/10/2008
"Never hear". Give me a break. We have been hashing over EVERY move made by this country in that part of the world for years, going back several administrations.

The FACT is that Clinton did NOT go to war with Iraq. We keep hearing about how he had evidence of WMD's, too, but he CHOSE to not go to war over it. Even Bush Sr. decided that all-out war with Iraq was a bad idea.

Clinton and Bush Sr. did stupid stuff, but it is not on the same level as the War Crimes that Bush should clearly be held accountable for.
10:17 PM on 12/10/2008
September 11th happened 7.7 months into Bush's presidency. Blame Clinton? You might as well claim that Clinton created Hurricane Katrina. What I learned in Navy boot camp is: If it happened on your watch, you're responsible. Period. Only whiners try to shift blame.

By your logic, BTW, some other country would be right to invade the USA to oust Bush.
05:38 PM on 12/10/2008
Welcome to the new reality, where being perceived as stupid is your ticket to getting away with whatever you want. If intelligence were a requirement for guilt then the prisons would be empty.
06:01 PM on 12/10/2008
A crime's ability to hide behind perception resides solely in the minds of those who cast the final verdict's judgment ultimately, so far as in a court of law, judge and jury. Life outside the court... a different story most times. If and when our collective dream comes true and it is proven that no one inside the White House is able to retain an alternate version of the Constitution as to legality, as we outside the White House have always been since this country's inception, and are naturally equally held to, said Constitutional legality in perpetuity, we shall see a validation of a righteous perception, given the trial is held with equal righteousness as to dignity. America's.
06:08 PM on 12/10/2008
You have a real knack for taking a simple concept and twisting the hell out of it.
05:15 PM on 12/10/2008
Back in 2002, I kept pointing people to the reports of UN observers who said that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. These people went all over the country looking for those weapons and they weren't anywhere to be found. But we couldn't take their word: they were the UN and we all knew how politicized the UN was. So let's give a little credit to the one's who did get it right.
05:38 PM on 12/10/2008
Most intelligent Americans were against our invading Iraq. Bush knows why he invaded Iraq. He overused his ego to see if he could be a leader who could change the Muslim world. It backfired. Another reason is getting back at Iraq for their treatment of his father. If you didn't agree that we should be in Iraq at that time you were told you were Unamerican. Bush cannot honestly say it was a mistake now because we have lost so many. To tell families that it was for nothing would nail his coffin.