AP: Franken Poised For Big Gains In Recount

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BRIAN BAKST | December 14, 2008 11:00 PM EST | AP

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In this June 7, 2008 file photo, confetti falls around former comedian Al Franken after he accepted the Democratic endorsement for U.S. Senate from Minnesota at the party's state convention in Rochester, Minn. (AP Photo/Jim Mone, File)

ST. PAUL, Minn. — Jesus, Bob Dylan and Mickey Mouse will play a part in determining Minnesota's next senator. So will voters who scrawled the same name for every local race. And so will people who marked their choice not just with a darkened oval but with an X, too _ maybe for emphasis, or maybe for a do-over.

Those ballots by people who took creative liberties, as well as thousands of others being challenged, are critical in the tight battle between Republican Sen. Norm Coleman and his Democratic challenger, Al Franken. A state board begins meeting Tuesday to decide their fate.

But an Associated Press analysis of the more than 5,000 challenged ballots found that most of the votes have clear intent and no deficiencies for which they would be disqualified under Minnesota law. The AP's cataloguing includes many challenges that were later withdrawn by the campaigns and the roughly 3,500 that remained up in the air as of Saturday.

Of the 2.9 million votes already recounted, Coleman leads Franken by fewer than 200. But the AP's analysis of the 3,500 challenges found that nearly 300 wouldn't benefit either man because the voter clearly favored a third-party candidate or skipped the race.

The AP also found that of the 3,500 challenged ballots that easily could be assigned, Franken netted 200 more votes than Coleman. But Coleman has withdrawn significantly fewer ballot challenges than Franken _ that is, the pool of challenges that can now be awarded to Franken is larger, and both campaigns announced Sunday that they would withdraw more challenges by Tuesday.

Of the remaining challenges, the AP found that only about 1,640 couldn't reliably be awarded to either candidate. More than 400 possible Franken votes were being held up on grounds that those voters identified their ballots through write-ins, initials, phone numbers or some other distinctive marking. At least 300 possible Coleman votes were in limbo for the same reasons.

Franken could also get a boost because a few more of his potential supporters than Coleman's were among the nearly 600 ballots that had two filled-in ovals as well as crossed-out votes, an X above or below their darkened oval, or different-size partial marks in more than one oval.

The state's laws on voter intent offer latitude when a person fails to cleanly mark an oval or connect an arrow on the two types of optical scan ballots used by the state.

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Voters who use an X outside the oval can still have that vote counted if it's close to a candidate's spot. They can use checks for some offices and fill out ovals for others. And voters who change their minds can try to erase a mark in favor of another choice as long as the remaining vote is apparent.

Secretary of State Mark Ritchie, who heads the state Canvassing Board with four judges, has set a goal of completing the challenged ballot reviews by Friday. The AP analysis suggested that the process could move fast once the board shows its mind on the challenge types that occurred most frequently.

Ohio State University election law expert Edward Foley, who is closely tracking Minnesota's recount, said the board's early rulings could set patterns for the rest of the review.

Foley said the campaigns won't want to lose the goodwill of board members by forcing them to rule on the same question repeatedly.

Several members made clear in a hearing Friday they wouldn't have patience for weak challenges.

"The danger for both candidates is that meritorious challenges are going to get swamped in a sea of frivolous challenges," Ramsey County Judge Edward Cleary warned. "You know when they're frivolous; we know when they're frivolous. Don't make us tell you that."

Foley didn't expect challenges based on oddball write-ins for cartoon characters, musicians and athletes to fare well.

"I think that will be looked on with disfavor," he said of the voters who wrote in Mickey Mouse or his pals Donald Duck and Goofy on ballots where there was a clear Senate vote. Tiger Woods, Bob Dylan and The Beatles got a few votes for local offices, and Jesus was several voters' pick for president. Others scribbled or put smiley faces near their choices.

Though ballots can't be rejected if they are slightly soiled or defaced, voters can put their ballot at risk with a distinguishing characteristic that is seen as an attempt to identify it. But determining what constitutes an identifying mark is tricky.

Ritchie, a Democrat, said a ruling in the state's 1962 gubernatorial race recount found that the mark had to have been made with the voter's intent to identify the ballot.

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Associated Press writers Jeff Baenen, Elizabeth Dunbar, Doug Glass, Martiga Lohn and Steve Karnowski contributed to this report.

ST. PAUL, Minn. — Jesus, Bob Dylan and Mickey Mouse will play a part in determining Minnesota's next senator. So will voters who scrawled the same name for every local race. And so will people w...
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This is like watching a bad movie --- that never ends ..........­.... Somebody wake me when it's over ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 12/16/2008

I think Al Franken can win. You want to know why? Because he's good enough, he's smart enough and god dang it, people like him!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 AM on 12/16/2008
- Tropiholic I'm a Fan of Tropiholic 20 fans permalink

It wonderful to see Franken cause Norman such grief!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 AM on 12/16/2008
- neesy08 I'm a Fan of neesy08 20 fans permalink
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Good Lord! This is an absolute mess in MN! Enough already. tell 'em to pick a number between 1-10.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 12/15/2008
- ddanimal I'm a Fan of ddanimal 33 fans permalink

No, its not a mess. This is a normal recount of 2.5 million votes. There are thousands of challeneged ballots, and absentee ballots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 12/16/2008

Does God count as 3 votes for the evangelicals?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 12/15/2008
- SammyD I'm a Fan of SammyD 11 fans permalink

How did these people register to vote if they can't follow directions? Sounds like a state of idiots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 PM on 12/15/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 386 fans permalink
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It's a small number out of the whole state, come on!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 12/15/2008
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The more appropriate question is: Why are they allowed to write on ballots? Why doesn't Minnesota have an electronic voting system with a paper record that the voter verifies before leaving the booth? After the debacle in Florida in 2000, you would think this issue would have been solved in all 50 states.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 AM on 12/16/2008
- ddanimal I'm a Fan of ddanimal 33 fans permalink

Electronic voting wont help anything. It will just make recounts impossible. There will be even more lost ballots due to errors during data transfers, software glitches and the like. Computers are far from infallible and have errors all the time. And you will still have millions of absentee ballots to deal with.

Electronic voting sucks, especially if it does not have a paper printout to allow for a recount.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 12/16/2008

Franken STILL hasn't stolen this one yet?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 12/15/2008
- DLB I'm a Fan of DLB 41 fans permalink
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He's trying his best. He's already enlisted the help of Paul Berendt, the head of the Washington State Democratic Party , who helped Gov. Gregoire get elected in 2004. He had demanded a third recount in Washington. King County, a very l.i.b.e.r.­a.l. county, miraculously produced 2,000 more mail-in ballots than had been requested.

So he's trying his best.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 12/15/2008

The recount is entirely transparent, impartial and hyper-scrutinized
but the wing-nuts are already preparing their charges of a stolen election. If they can't drink the water they'll pee in it. Real classy, guys. Glad to hear you still believe in Democracy. Makes me proud to share a country with you wonderful patriots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 12/15/2008
- Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 144 fans permalink

getting every vote counted where you can tell the will of the voter is stealing?

Only in Wing Nut fantasy land.

quit listening to the radio. Turn off Fox.

Go to the library and learn something. Anything!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 12/15/2008
- DLB I'm a Fan of DLB 41 fans permalink
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Tell me, how does combining electronic election night results and recount results which work exclusively for the Democrat candidate NOT mean that there is an attempt to steal the election, which IS what is happening?

Try watching Fox News, and listen to the radio (6 in 10 Obama voters didn't know that the democrats controlled congress; whereas 90% of Fox News viewers and talk radio listeners did). And go to the library and learn something. Anything!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 AM on 12/16/2008
- Tropiholic I'm a Fan of Tropiholic 20 fans permalink

desperate is right, smarmy coleman is quaking in his pants!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 AM on 12/16/2008
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I don't mean to make a big thing about it, but I don't think a vote for Hibbing, Minnesota native, Bob Dylan is quite on par with votes for a cartoon character and the son of God (who's also himself, God; it's gets complicated). I actually don't even think Dylan's a bad pick, bring some music and poetry to the "Upper Chamber" of Congress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 12/15/2008
- Burkelbile I'm a Fan of Burkelbile 46 fans permalink
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The Minneapolis Star-Tribune consistently shows el-Creepo (Coleman) leading by approx. 190 votes.
http://www.startribune.com/politics/?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O%3ADW3ckUiD3aPc%3A_Yyc%3AaUQ7c4E7ME5U

All spinning aside, how is Big Al gonna' pull this out?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 12/15/2008

Seriously, you're asking something that is totally answered in the article? Is it so much trouble to actually read it first before asking a question?

It certainly looks like Franken has a very good shot now, in short, the challenged ballots look like they favor him (mostly because Coleman challenged more, and seems to have more challenges that are frivolous).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 12/15/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 386 fans permalink
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And don't forget the absentees.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 12/15/2008

Who honestly cares anymore, huh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 12/15/2008

Speak for yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 12/15/2008
- jonthebru I'm a Fan of jonthebru 6 fans permalink

I honestly care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 12/15/2008
- Liberal2 I'm a Fan of Liberal2 39 fans permalink

Okay. And I care too. But, ya know, it galls and scares me that we must rely on people too stupid to fill out a ballot correctly. I mean, is it really that hard or insulting to fill in only the oval next to your choice's name????

I get the feeeling we deserve putzs like Bush and Coleman. Look at the state that reelected that fraud Chambliss.­...

Need I say more?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 12/15/2008
- rmetz74 I'm a Fan of rmetz74 10 fans permalink

A lot of people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 12/15/2008
- Burkelbile I'm a Fan of Burkelbile 46 fans permalink
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Anyone who wants to see something get done in the Senate in 2009 cares. The shameless southern republican kooks in the senate are already proving they will try to stall any emergency legislation they can.
It might take yet ANOTHER election cycle in the senate to clean these creeps out. Meanwhile the economy melts down.
In the long run, though it will mean further destruction of the right wing of the republican party, and that's all right with me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 12/15/2008
- Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 144 fans permalink

Err, Ahh,Mmmm

Everyone who voted in the Minnesota senatorial race?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 12/15/2008
- Tom Joad I'm a Fan of Tom Joad 305 fans permalink
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"...voters identified their ballots through...­phone numbers...­"

anyone thought of calling those numbers and talking to someone? lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 PM on 12/15/2008
- me again I'm a Fan of me again 29 fans permalink

The big question still is, who paid for Norm Colemans big fake choppers..­....figure @ $10k....if he were so broke, this probably was a donors' expense!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 12/15/2008
- Tom Joad I'm a Fan of Tom Joad 305 fans permalink
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How Would Jeebus Vote? (HWJV?)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 12/15/2008
- doctorwang I'm a Fan of doctorwang 191 fans permalink
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- probably on a stone tablet. 8 )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 12/15/2008

That's a heavy hanging chad!
tm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 12/15/2008
- stunsitfel I'm a Fan of stunsitfel 34 fans permalink
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Goofy had to be voting for Al.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 12/15/2008
- kylie I'm a Fan of kylie 26 fans permalink

He was out-flanked by Dumbo and Dopey supporting Coleman!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 12/15/2008
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It was easy this year for me.

When not voting DEMOCRAT, I wrote in Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich, because the were right then and now

Although thanks to the Media they had about as much chance as Mickey Mouse

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 12/15/2008
- stunsitfel I'm a Fan of stunsitfel 34 fans permalink
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Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), after being asked about an account in Shirley MacLain's book that said Kucinich once had a close encounter with a UFO while visiting her house in Washington state. MacLaine wrote that Kucinich "felt a connection in his heart and heard directions in his mind" as a triangular craft hovered above him.

The pride of Ohio that Denny is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 12/15/2008
- daddyG56 I'm a Fan of daddyG56 5 fans permalink

Just because my man didn't get the warning about the brown acid, it's no reason to be hatin' on him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 12/15/2008

The only thing wrong with Kucinich was his honesty. He must have known how people would snigger at his account, but decided not to cover up.

There are many hundreds of people who recount similar experiences: some no doubt are disturbed, or attention-seekers, or whatever, but there are many who are just normal everyday folks - including many trained observers (pilots, radar operators). There is SOMETHING out there - what/who it is we don't yet know. My bet is not entities from "space" (i.e. distant regions of our universe) but rather some different dimension of reality, not subject to a "mechanical" explanation. Jacques Vallee had a good book on this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 12/15/2008
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