Franken Camp: Coleman Trying To Shut Down The Recount

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December 15, 2008 01:22 PM

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Al Franken's Senate campaign, beaming a bit from last week's announcement that counties should count wrongfully rejected absentee ballots, accused Sen. Norm Coleman of trying to shut down the recount by appealing that very decision.

In a conference call with reporters, Franken's chief counsel, Marc Elias, argued that the Minnesota Republican was going through incredible and "desperate" measures in order to stop the counting of ballots that had been deemed lawfully cast.

"They are suing because they are behind," he said, noting that the Associated Press did an analysis this weekend in which they determined that Franken would likely win the election after all the challenged ballots were fettered out. "The numbers are what they are. And as I said Friday, desperate times call for desperate measures. What we see is a cynical and desperate attempt by the Coleman campaign to stop this train from moving."

Noting that canvassing board -- which decided that the wrongfully rejected absentee ballots should be counted -- included two Republican members of the state Supreme Court, two county justices and the state Attorney General, Elias accused the Coleman campaign of playing cynical politics. If the Senator's appeal of the canvassing board's decision was rooted in honest concerns, he added, it would mean that he was accusing the state's chief legal officials of acting unconstitutionally.

"The Coleman camp would have you to believe that the Secretary of State convened a meeting invited two Ramsey County justices, two representatives from the Supreme Court, one of whom was the chief justice, and to throw some spice in the gumbo, the chief law enforcement officer -- the Attorney General," said Elias, "... and low and behold he got them to do something that the Coleman campaign thinks is unconstitutional."

On Friday, the Coleman campaign filed a suit with the state Supreme Court appealing the decision to count the roughly 1,500 unlawfully rejected absentee ballots. The Senator claimed canvassing board's decision would mean that there was no longer a uniform standard for counting votes -- a notion that Elias strongly disputed.

"There are four legitimate reasons to reject an absentee ballot, and if the ballot doesn't meet those four reasons it ought to be counted," he said.

The Senator may have hurt his cause when, in the motion filed to the Supreme Court, he asked that county election officials and county canvassing boards "take no additional actions related to the rejected absentee ballots" until a decision on those ballots was made.

"In plain English what they asked the court was 'stop the counting'," said Elias, somewhat animated. "Let's call this what it is, the Coleman camp went to the highest court in the state to stop the counting."

The Supreme Court will rule on the canvassing board's decision within the next few weeks (though the schedule has not been finalized). The two justices who serve on both the canvassing board and the court will recuse themselves form the hearing. Should the court uphold the canvassing board's decision, the chances of a Franken victory become much more likely. But as it stands now, the Democratic challenger projects that he will finish the recount process with a four or eight vote lead even without these votes.

Al Franken's Senate campaign, beaming a bit from last week's announcement that counties should count wrongfully rejected absentee ballots, accused Sen. Norm Coleman of trying to shut down the recount ...
Al Franken's Senate campaign, beaming a bit from last week's announcement that counties should count wrongfully rejected absentee ballots, accused Sen. Norm Coleman of trying to shut down the recount ...
 
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Is there a betting line that Coleman will lose and then go to jail? I'll bet 50 on that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 12/17/2008

Why does every vote have to be counted?
I know what that sounds like-- but after seeing some of examples of the ballots that are being reviewed it appears that some folks go through all the trouble of voting just to make , at best , a sophmoric political statement (I.E. write in Mickey mouse) instead of choosing from the list or writing in a real candidate.
Of course they're free to do this, but again, if they can't take this great right seriously enough like the vast, majority of the electorate then maybe they shouldn't be voting in the first place.
If a mistake is made, you can get another ballot and make your choices clear! It's allowed!
If there isn't any acceptable choice for you then you don't have to vote on that issue.
One things for certain. Whoever is declared (not elected at this point) the winner, half the state is still gonna be unhappy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 AM on 12/17/2008

Go to the Star Tribune's website. They have Ballot Challenge where you yourself can vote on the photocopies of all 6,600 ballots. I went through about 100 of them last night and the vast majority of them were just fine. Ballots where challenged for tiny marks outside the circle, only filling in 99% of the circle, or having the gall to (*gasp*) write in a name!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 12/17/2008
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Go AL, go !! We need smart senators with passion. Al has it in spades.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 12/16/2008
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Uh, it's "lo and behold," not "low and behold," guys & gals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 12/16/2008
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It is if you're talking about (turncoat Democrat) Coleman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 12/16/2008

Pretty much tells you what he's made of - does this sound familiar?
A Republican suing to stop a ballot count? We made THAT mistake once... NEVER again...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 AM on 12/16/2008
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Say goonight, Coleman. Your time in the Senate is coming to an end.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 12/16/2008

Coleman is desperate. He's looking in the face of an FBI investigation, and he's sweating profusely about the recount because he knows he will lose. I just want justice to prevail here.
I want all the votes counted and I want the truth of how Coleman spent this $75K.
Even if Coleman wins, he will still have major trouble with the money he received, and something tells me with all the corruption getting uncovered in today's politics, Coleman is toast .
No matter how you look at it, Coleman is fraught with trouble.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 12/15/2008

I guess if you know you won't win, try and stop the votes from being counted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 12/15/2008
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Why is it this close in a state that Obama managed to win by about 10 points?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 12/15/2008

Because it was a tough road to hoe coming from the public perception of Al Franken as a comedian to the perception of, hey, this guy might know what he's talking about. Al Franken is a bright guy who demonstrated that on his show on Air America, but only 20% of us ever listened. Coleman spent a whole hell of a lot to discredit him in an uber nasty campaign, and sadly, it was somewhat successful.

I'd ask you, Jazzycafe, and anyone else with this question, why is it this close with an incumbent senator who should have proven himself by now against an SNL comedian who is all guts and smarts with not much political experience to recommend him? Turns the whole thing on it's ear doesn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 12/15/2008

There was a third candidate who received about 16% of the vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 12/15/2008

Good point. With Barkley in the race, neither of these 2 jerks got more than 42% of the vote.

That says a lot about both Coleman and Franken. Give the choice of these two, I would have to take Coleman because Frankie doesn't stand for anything I believe about America.

If the Dems had chosen any of their current Representatives to run for this seat, they would have won the race going away. Barkley saved Frankie for suffering a landslide loss. Wonder if Franken donated any money to the Barkley campaign? Now that would be interesting.

Strange the way things work out sometimes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 12/16/2008
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What's your point? Obama carried Oregon by 300,000 votes while Merkley won the senate race by less than 60,000. Obama LOST in Alaska, Montana, South Dakota, West Virginia, Arkansas and Louisiana while Dems won senate races in all those states. Obama won in Maine but the Repub won the Senate race. Hmm... Not always a direct correlation. And as other noted, a 3rd party candidate makes comparison difficult.

But on the other hand, what's your point? Whoever gets the most votes is the winner, no matter the margin of victory and regardless of other races.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 AM on 12/16/2008

You really are dense. The point is that 50% of the MN voters did not want the Joker as their Senator. Granted, 50% also didn't want Coleman.

So, no matter who wins, slightly more than 50% didn't get their choice.

As to the crap here about counting all the votes, I'm for that, but I'm not for counting the Dem Machine's manufactured votes. Also, IF the Joker is the winner, the Senate should pass a new rule that after 5 "F" words from Frankie, he gets expelled back to garbage radio.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 12/16/2008
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The campaign was really sleazy...from both sides, and there was an independent candidate that took 15-16% of the vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 AM on 12/16/2008

Franken just has to win. This would send the right wing noise machine into fits. Franken would be the ideal foil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 12/15/2008

I can see O'Rielly's face now. All red and bloated!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 AM on 12/17/2008

Regardless of how this ends, either Norm or Al is going to have to get a new job. Both of them seem unemployable--Al's a bit washed up as a comedian and/or radio host and it's been a long time since Norm had a career. So both have a lot riding on the outcome. I think all of the lawfully cast ballots need to be counted--whether absentee or poorly executed. Let the chips fall where they may. Neither one of them is going to be all that great. I suppose we are back to the lessor of two evils. Blah.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 12/15/2008

You have not read Al Franken's books is my guess. He really never was much of a comedian in my opinion, but washed up he is not. His books have made me laugh so hard I cried and made me so angry I had to go for a walk. They have also made me wish he lived in my state so I could vote for him. I was happy to donate to his campaign and he will made a fine and honest senator. How many of those do we have now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 12/15/2008

Exactly. Al is very bright and has been keen political insight. Not too bad a start for a new Senator.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 12/15/2008

Your opinion and prediction vis a vis Franken is yours and yours alone. Blah backatcha.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 12/15/2008
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The Country has a lot riding on the outcome. The more Democrats in the Senate in the next Congress and the closer to a veto-proof majority, the better.

As far as lesser of to evils, yeah, i would guess the one that is not about to be indicted for corruption in office is not as evil.

What's up with your values in Minnesota?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 12/15/2008

Any one who is against Rush is fine in my book.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 12/15/2008

why? he calls obama the messiah.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 12/16/2008

He had the guts to speak out against Bush when Coulter ruled the airwaves, He stood up against Rush when the ranting was at its peak, and is also Harvard educated - so he knows how to form a sentence (something Bush couldn't do), Minnesota will be fortunate to be represented by him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 12/15/2008

Al, you forgot to say "This is a new low." I think Coleman has out-"this is a new low"-ed you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 12/15/2008

isn't coleman supposed to be in jail for solicitation of political favors

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 12/15/2008
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An indictment can't come soon emough!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 12/15/2008

So are Rove, Cheney, Stevens and Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 12/15/2008
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Don't get too excited. Franken can't win with only a few votes ;- Coleman will argue for a tie and take a chance on the 50/50 coin toss. Or they could have a duel to choose the winner:

http://panderwatch.wordpress.com/2008/12/15/this-just-in-coleman-and-franken-senate-seat-a-tie/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 12/15/2008

A tie has to mean exactly the same under the legal definition.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 12/15/2008

AP one hour ago reporting that Al is the oddsmaker choice to win.
Is Nate S. of 538.com a genius or what?

Senator Al Franken
SENATOR AL FRANKEN

YYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 12/15/2008

Want to bet he wins by 27 votes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 12/15/2008
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