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Israeli airstrike kills a top Hamas leader

IBRAHIM BARZAK and JASON KEYSER   01/ 1/09 10:21 PM ET   AP

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GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — An Israeli warplane dropped a 2,000-pound bomb on the home of one of Hamas' top five decision-makers Thursday, instantly killing him and 18 others, while the Israeli army said troops massed on the Gaza border were ready for any order to invade.

The airstrike on Nizar Rayan was the first that succeeded in killing a member of Hamas' highest echelon since Israel began its offensive Saturday. The 49-year-old professor of Islamic law was known for personally participating in clashes with Israeli forces and for sending one of his sons on a 2001 suicide mission that killed two Israelis.

The attacks continued Friday. Before dawn, Israeli aircraft hit 15 houses belonging to Hamas militants, Palestinians said. They said the Israelis either warned nearby residents by phone or fired a warning missile to reduce civilian casualties. Twelve people were hurt in the attacks, hospital officials said.

Even as it pursued its bombing campaign, Israel kept the way open for intense efforts by leaders in the Middle East and Europe to arrange a cease-fire. Israel said it would consider a halt to fighting if international monitors were brought in to track compliance with any truce.

Adding to the urgency of the diplomatic maneuvering, the Israeli military said its preparations for a possible ground assault were complete and that troops stood ready to cross the border if the air operation to stamp out Hamas rocket fire needed to be expanded.

Soldiers massed along the Gaza frontier said they were eager to join the fight, and some even cheered as they heard thunderous airstrikes in the distance.

The hit on Rayan's home obliterated the four-story apartment building and peeled off the walls of others around it, creating a field of rubble in the crowded town of Jebaliya in the northern Gaza Strip. Mounds of debris thrown up by the blast swallowed up cars.

Eighteen other people, including all four of Rayan's wives and nine of his 12 children, also were killed, Palestinian health officials said. A man cradled the burned, limp body of a child he pulled from the rubble.

The house was one of five bombed Thursday, among more than 20 targets altogether. Warplanes shredded the houses, taking off walls and roofs and leaving behind eerie, dollhouse-like views into rooms that still contained furniture.

Israel's military, which has said the homes of Hamas leaders are being used to store missiles and other weapons, said the attack on Rayan's house triggered secondary explosions from the arms stockpiled there.

Seven other Palestinians were killed in airstrikes Thursday and one died of earlier injuries.

Israel has targeted Hamas leaders many times in the past, and the current leadership went into hiding at the start of the offensive. Rayan, however, was known for openly defying Israel and in the past had led crowds to the homes of wanted Hamas figures _ as if daring Israel to strike and risk the lives of civilians.

Residents said he openly went to a nearby mosque Thursday morning to pray.

In his last interview, recorded with Hamas TV on Wednesday, Rayan was as defiant as ever about confronting the Israeli military.

"Oh fighters, know that you will be victorious," he said. "God promises us either victory or martyrdom. God is greater than they are, God is greater than their planes, God is greater than their rockets."

The military said it had information that there was a tunnel beneath Rayan's home for use as an escape route.

Israel seemed determined to press ahead with airstrikes on Hamas houses. It also has been targeting buildings used by the territory's Hamas government _ emptied days ago by evacuations _ as well as rocket-launching sites and smuggling tunnels along the border with Egypt.

"We are trying to hit everybody who is a leader of the organization, and today we hit one of their leaders," Israeli Vice Premier Haim Ramon said in a television interview.

More than 400 Gazans had been killed and some 1,700 wounded since Israel embarked on its aerial campaign, Gaza health officials said. The United Nations has said the death toll includes more than 60 civilians, 34 of them children.

One of them, 11-year-old Ismail Hamdan, was buried Thursday after dying of wounds suffered from an airstrike Tuesday that killed two of his sisters, Haya, 4, and Lama, 12. His body was wrapped in a Palestinian flag and his battered face was still bandaged as he was carried above a crowd of mourners.

Since Saturday, three Israeli civilians and one soldier have also died in rocket attacks that have reached deeper into Israel than ever before, bringing more than a tenth of Israel's population of 7 million within rocket range.

The bombing campaign has worsened an already hard life for Gaza's mostly poor population of 1.5 million. On Thursday, hundreds of people stood in long, snaking lines across the territory waiting to buy bread.

Israel launched the offensive Saturday after more than a week of intense Palestinian rocket fire that followed the expiration of a six-month truce, which Hamas refused to extend because Israel kept up its blockade of Gaza.

So far, the campaign has been conducted largely from the air. But a military spokeswoman, Maj. Avital Leibovich, said preparations for a ground operation were complete.

"The infantry, the artillery and other forces are ready. They're around the Gaza Strip, waiting for any calls to go inside," Leibovich said.

Thousands of soldiers waited along the border, resting among tanks, armored personnel carriers and howitzers. The troops watched warplanes and attack helicopters flying into Gaza, cheering each time they heard the explosion of an airstrike.

One soldier, who can be identified under military rules only as Sgt. Yaniv, said he was eager to go in. "I am going crazy here watching all this. I want to do my part as well," he said.

Hamas promised to put up a fight if Israeli land forces invaded.

"We are waiting for you to enter Gaza to kill you or make you into Schalits," the group said, referring to Israeli Sgt. Gilad Schalit, who was captured in a cross-border raid by Hamas-affiliated militants 2 1/2 years ago and remains in captivity in Gaza.

Israel's bruising campaign has not deterred Hamas from assaulting Israel. According to the military, militants fired more than 30 rockets into southern Israel during the day.

No injuries were reported, but an eight-story apartment building in Ashdod, 23 miles from Gaza, was hit. Panicked residents ran through a debris-strewn street.

Earlier this week, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert rebuffed a French proposal for a two-day suspension of hostilities to allow for the delivery of humanitarian supplies. Israel has been allowing trucked relief supplies to enter Gaza. Ninety aid trucks crossed the border Thursday.

Still, Olmert seemed to be looking for a diplomatic way out, telling Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and other world leaders that Israel would accept a truce only if international monitors took responsibility for enforcing it, government officials said. They spoke on condition of anonymity because the talks were confidential.

A Turkish truce proposal included a call for such monitors.

Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, speaking to reporters during a visit to Paris for meetings with French officials, expressed skepticism about the benefits of a cease-fire. She said Hamas used the lull during the six-month truce that expired last month to build up its arsenal of weapons.

"Our experience from the past is that even when we accept something in order to have a peaceful period of time, they abuse it in order to get stronger and to attack Israel later on," Livni said.

Egypt's foreign minister said Hamas must ensure that rocket fire stops in any truce deal, and he criticized the Palestinian militants for giving Israel an "opportunity on a golden platter" to launch the offensive.

Gaza has been under Hamas rule since the group's fighters overran it in June 2007. The West Bank has remained under the control of moderate Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who has been negotiating peace with Israel for more than a year but has no influence over Hamas. Bringing in truce monitors would require cooperation between the fiercely antagonistic Palestinian factions.

An Abbas confidant said the Palestinian president supported the notion of international involvement. "We are asking for a cease-fire and an international presence to monitor Israel's commitment to it," Nabil Abu Rdeneh said.

World leaders have not been deterred by the initial rejections by Israel and Hamas of truce efforts, and next week French President Nicolas Sarkozy plans a whirlwind trip around the region.

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Associated Press writers Ibrahim Barzak reported this story from Gaza City and Jason Keyser from Jerusalem. AP writer Aron Heller on the Gaza border contributed to this report.

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09:45 AM on 01/02/2009
It has been said that "an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth leaves everybody blind!"

The enemy is not Hamas, nor is it Israel, but their long extant investment in cynicism and hatred. Since the universe is bound by a single-impersonal Law, expressed by an indefinite number of ancillary laws, which regulate energy, and motion, the only way to stop the violence is to stop investing in the energy of hatred! Thus, stop means stop! without reference to past actions of either side! The universe, and its determination "to be", has no "exclusive interest" in how we conduct ourselves, for it serves only the Law, which is immutable, and uncircumventable! However, it is the ideas of the human ego, be they constructive, or destructive, that have lasting sustenance.

If these two combatants, after all these years, cannot transcend their violent folly, death will continue to follow their children long after they are gone; no different than the generations of the past who gave hatred's destructive power a presence far beyond the grave!
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11:43 AM on 01/03/2009
"... and toothless" - Gandhi-ji.

It is our nature as humans to resonate with feelings of hurt and revenge.

It is our duty as humans to recognize this and rise above the hurt to stop the cycle of violence.

We have the capacity to create great wonders and great horrors.

Why do rational, sentient beings choose horror over wonder?
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07:03 AM on 01/02/2009
Hams should TARGET the Israeli Leaders! If that is how they want to play it!
07:24 AM on 01/02/2009
Well, Israel set the rules. Apparently, political leaders and their families are now valid targets in this "war" Israel has declared.
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07:40 AM on 01/02/2009
Hamas will learn the lesson of the PLO. Hamas is stupid their leaders are dumb and it is really silly to antagonize Israel. Nobody will do ANYTHING against Israel, so why bother. They got Gaza, and this is how they (Hamas) police it?

I don't like this conflict, but since I am not Israeli, and after the actions of the U.S. for the first part and start of this century. I have concluded we simply have no clout and zero influence.

-John
08:22 AM on 01/02/2009
The only role we play is as an arms dealer. Period.
06:17 AM on 01/02/2009
Don't blame God for this mess. Everybody wants their freedom until the consequences of those freedoms becomes inconvenient.

If man can build self destructing weapons for power and money, then they certainly can use the words of God to justify their actions.

Even if you're an Atheist, you know that this isn't about God, this is about money and power. Let man take responsibility 4 his own actions. Their are no puppet strings in heaven.

Just sick of Atheists conveniently blaming God when they don't believe in his existence. How can you blame something you don't even believe exists. Real logical, right?
01:39 AM on 01/02/2009
Let's get serious about Palestinian history. They have only been recognized by the Arab states as Palestinians since the 1920's. They were part of a shared area, Jews Arabs, Christians that all called themselves Palestinians. After the 1948 partition the Arab league attacked the Jews and lost. That means they only existed as a country for about 25 years. At the time of partition there were about half a million Muslim Palestinians. At present there are over 4 million living in the area. That would obviously negate any talk of genocide.
01:21 AM on 01/02/2009
This is overkill - Israel scares me. They used a 2,000 pound lb. - wouldn't 1 bullet do it?
And the kids would be ok. How about educating them all over there? The seemed like they were poised to fight, and wanted to fight.

More than 400 Gazans had been killed and some 1,700 wounded since Israel embarked on its aerial campaign, Gaza health officials said. The United Nations has said the death toll includes more than 60 civilians, 34 of them children.
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03:30 AM on 01/02/2009
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The United Nations has said the death toll includes more than 60 civilians, 34 of them children.
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... so far, in pursuit of 1 Hamas leader. How many Israelis have died from rockets in the same period of time?
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08:09 AM on 01/02/2009
I agree that it's terrible when children are victims of adult hatred and war. However, the deaths are not because Israel is trying to take out a single Hamas leader, as you've posed it. But on that point: would it make any difference in your thinking if Nizaar Rayyan's home was a munitions storage facility, or that he actively planned suicide bombings? "The military said he had helped plan a deadly suicide bombing in Israel in 2004, had sent his own son on a suicide mission against Jewish settlers in Gaza in 2001 and was advocating renewed suicide missions against Israel in retaliation for the current offensive....The Israeli military said in a statement that there were many secondary explosions after the air attack, “proving that the house was used for storing weaponry.” It was also used as a communications center, the statement said, and a tunnel that had been dug under the house was used by Hamas operatives." (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/03/world/middleeast/03mideast.html?_r=1&hp)

I don't think that, because an Israeli military spokesperson says it, it's not true.
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07:41 AM on 01/02/2009
Not if there is a hive of Hamas there.
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12:47 AM on 01/02/2009
Israel apparently considers killing four children in this bombing "preempting" terrorism, because if they were allowed to grow up you know, they might pose it a danger.

...and they continue to use military force against a malnourished, hopeless population that is firing bottle rockets as an annoyance... for the theft of 80% of ther country.

Some people in the range of those rockets might be in a house the palestinian launching the rockets still has the keys to.

Now, 4 of 12 children killed by Israel. Who thinks this ups the chances the other 8 are likely to do something irrational, harmful and violent?

So if you are the more "civilized" country, why feed this?

Oh yeah, your GOD gave you that land. You are a "Jewish" state, as Iran is an "Islamic" state, a "democracy" where some are more equal than others.

Well, with everyone involved having a hateful god on their side (and being the ONLY ones who have his favor) this will surely not stop until an outsider with neither God involved sits them down and shuts them up.
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05:54 AM on 01/02/2009
Judaism is an ethnicity as much as it is a religion. The fact that you even see this as a religious conflict is retarded, in the literal sense of the word. Jews have lived in the Levant for 3000 years, there is no reason Jews should not continue to live there in prosperity and security. Israel is one of the greatest success stories in the world. They have built in 60 years what the entire Arab world has failed to achieve in 1200+ years. Despite this fact, they are constantly being torn down by ignorant detractors like yourself. The fact that the Arab world has completely failed to enter the 21st century, not to mention leave the 8th century, is pathetic. It is not the fault of a small group of Jews that virtually the entire Middle East can not function in a coherent, logical, contemporary way. The Palestinians are Arabs, and the you need to reexamine the Arab world as a whole before condemning Israel for collateral damage in a battle against terrorists. You can see that they have wholly ignored the Palestinians and their activities unless it involves condemning Israel. This is coming from a liberal, semi-practicing, reform Jew, by the way, not some religious zealot looking to reclaim a holy land.

The Israelis will continue to fight terrorism as they see fit, Mr. Professor. Your ignorant claims - "bottle rockets as an annoyance", for example - just go to reinforce your fail.
09:17 AM on 01/02/2009
Then why are converts, without a drop of Semitic blood given full rights of citizenship, but Palestinians are not? Because it is about religion. The Jews from Ethiopia and parts of Africa practice a for of the Jewish religion, yet are a completely different ethnicity. I personally know a couple who converted from Catholocism, and now are hardcore Z.io ists living in a settlement preaching how it's their land, and non-Jews have no place on it.
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07:41 AM on 01/02/2009
Do you hold Hamas to the same standards?
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12:28 PM on 01/02/2009
when they have an air force and a the 4th largest army in the world I will. As it is they are half-starved have no hope and no place to go.
12:00 AM on 01/02/2009
Israel is a terrorist state - they killed 18 others to get one guy. Many of them children. No excuses anymore, no justifications or rationilizations, this is terror by any definition. Shane on you Israel and anyone who support this war crime.
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07:43 AM on 01/02/2009
No, I think Israel is an illegal state. Having said that it will never go away. So let's deal with the reality, illegal, terrorist or not and move forwards. Hamas needs to recognize Israel and control it's citizens, and Israel needs to stop the overwhelming force routine less they just be in a perpetual state of war. wait a minute, they have been for 60 years. Isn't anyone learning from anything anymore.
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09:14 AM on 01/02/2009
According to the United Nations and 173 of its member countries, Israel has a right to exist. This argument ended 60 years ago.
11:58 PM on 01/01/2009
You may be surprised to learn that Palestinians include moderate Muslims, who would like nothing more than to live in peace and prosperity with Israel just as many of their counterparts live in peace in Israel proper - for example, Abu Ghosh near Jerusalem or Acre near Haifa, or Jaffa near Tel Aviv or the Galilee, etc. Then there are also Christian Palestinians like those in Bethlehem and Nazareth, who are intimidated by these extremists and only voice their true feelings in strict confidence and privacy .

But when extremist Muslims come into the equation, things get really complicated. Just look at Lebanon. Hezbollah took over Southern Lebanon by force and turned against the moderate Muslims and Maronite Christians, among others, and turned the most beautiful country in the region into a hellhole. The Taliban along with Al-Qaeda have done/are doing the same in Afghanistan.

Don't you see the pattern? Extreme Islam usurping power by way of violence and intimidation. Hamas, Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda and their likes are the real issue, terror is their mission and Jews are their worst enemy.

Don't make the mistake of confusing the issue. Israel is fighting Hamas NOT Palestinians and Hamas' agenda has never been in the interests of the Palestinian people.
They (Hamas, Hezbollah and Al-Qaeda) are terrorists and usurpers and must be stopped in the only language they can understand.

My heart grieves for ALL innocent victims as extreme measures are meted out to the extremists.
12:44 AM on 01/02/2009
I think you should let the Palestinians speak for themselves. But that is difficult because they are under a military occupation by Israel.

Hamas and Hezbollah are not at all like al Qaeda.

The Palestinians elected Hamas, when Israel targets Hamas it is fighting the democratically elected government of the Palestinians. The fact Is that Israel is punishing the Palestinians for electing Hamas.

BTW, I have never heard of a smart bomb called a Hamas seeking bomb. And the fact is that Israel is NOT targeting the military targets of Hamas, but the domestic are mo Hamas, the schools, hospitals, tunnels that bring in the food, built because Gaza is under siege by Israel.

Of course Israel is killing Palestinians. And, in a news broadcast today, Pals in Gaza hospitals don't blame Hamas, they blame Israel. because, as they explained, this has happened before Hamas.
09:13 AM on 01/02/2009
- Hamas got elected in a democratic way 2 years ago. BUT they didnt have the majority and they had a goverment with FATAH. then a civil war broke out in Gaza, and Hamas took complete power BY FORCE and all the Fatah members that survived fled to the West Bank (where things are relatively quiet for the last 2 years and the conditions for the people living there are better. Israel also has realtions and peace negotiations with the FATAH there).
Hamas does things that even you can't defend as democratic - Brain-washing kids in their schools towards hatred and the killing of innocents, hiding armor in civilian areas, controling the media.
Stop Romanticising Hamas as an innocent democratic group - "the saviours of the people". They are a Terrorist group, They are exactly the same as El-Qaeda, you hypocrite!

- To say that the Tunnels were "built to bring food" is an absurd, to say that Israel "is not targeting the military targets of Hamas" is simply a lie, to think that Israel will target any civilian target just to hurt the innocents is twisted - Hamas should take responsibility for every civilian that is hurt, because they choose to hide themselves and their weapons among them on purpose - this is the way a terrorist group acts, and not a real democratic goverment.
Off Course now Palestinians are targeting all of their rage against the attacker - Israel, but the reality is that Israel didnt have any
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07:44 AM on 01/02/2009
What is this? I think you'd be surprised to learn that unless these so called Moderates moderate the actions of its people, they are useless entities.
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11:51 PM on 01/01/2009
This is Israels responsibility. The blood is on their hands. Israel is rich and has all the resources to create peace if they choose. Israel has absurdly overwhelming firepower. its not even a real contest-Apache helicopters and multimillion dollar jets and tanks with the latest tech, versus impoverished slum dwellers that can barely scrape together a missile.

If Israel spent a small portion of what they spend on their bloated war machine on making peace, this problem would be solved. There will always be extremist wing nuts attacking israel, but if the palestinian population is educated and fed, the extremists will be ignored and rejected.

israel enhances the power of Hamas and the extremists with their stupid, self-indulgent, evil murderous rampages.
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05:24 AM on 01/02/2009
I hope your post gets promoted. you make great sense.
08:49 AM on 01/02/2009
How can one ignore rocket fire? You are just plain naive. Hamas has continually attacked Israeli soil with rocket fire that is INDISCRIMINATE. At least when Israel attacks, they try to minimize civilian casualties. Hamas are a bunch of animals and they should be treated as such. They wanted this war, and now they got it.
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12:31 PM on 01/02/2009
how can one ignore his/her family being staved and thier medical needs laughed at? yet as long as they are "arabs" you seem to feel they are so much less then human that they do not have the same right to self-defense you afford israel.
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11:34 PM on 01/01/2009
From the story, above:
"The hit on Rayan's home obliterated the four-story apartment building and peeled off the walls of others around it, creating a field of rubble in the crowded town of Jebaliya in the northern Gaza Strip. Mounds of debris thrown up by the blast swallowed up cars.

Eighteen other people, including all four of Rayan's wives and nine of his 12 children, also were killed, Palestinian health officials said."

Israel killed 4 women and nine children just in that one house. I have not seen the lastest numbers of those willed in the neighborhood.

All that to assassinate one leader?
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11:52 PM on 01/01/2009
israel is "defending itself". This time, I suppose, against children who could be future suicide bombers.
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01:03 AM on 01/02/2009
The Israelis warned him of the bombing about 15 minutes before it happened, but he and his family refused to leave.

You are right about his children becoming potential suicide bombers - one of his older sons has already become one. This doesn't mean they should die, but your premise is right.

Try reading more than the headline before commenting.
06:44 AM on 01/02/2009
Or political leaders, or doctors, or farmers. In an ethnic cleansing, it doesn't matter who you kill, just how many.
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11:23 PM on 01/01/2009
I see a lot of dead Palestinians, a more unstable Arab world, Iran looking like the 'only caring Muslim state', and this whole debacle is a great recruitment tool for Muslim extremists (which will enhance U.S. links to Israel). This is a no-lose situation for Israeli hardliners. I just don't see what good it does the U.S. to support those same hardliners. (Spare me 'the only democracy in the Middle East" line.)
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11:38 PM on 01/01/2009
Gaza was a democracy in the middle east, until Israel bombed and killed everyone in the government.
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02:01 AM on 01/02/2009
Israel hasn't killed "everyone" in the government. What inane hyperbole.
11:41 PM on 01/01/2009
When its labeled a democracy is should be appended that its a democracy for Jhews only.
12:37 AM on 01/02/2009
There are Arabs and Muslims in the Israeli Knesset. Arabs have the vote in Israel. Are Jews even able to LIVE, let alone work, own property, or vote in any of the surrounding Arab countries?
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02:00 AM on 01/02/2009
Incredibly simplistic. Do you personally know people in the area? I do, and there's a whole lot of differing viewpoints.
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11:13 PM on 01/01/2009
What would happen if Israel spent 1/3 of the $3 billion in US military aid they receive annually on economic devleopment, education and medical care in Gaza?

Israel has all the resources needed to stop this war and create peace whenever they choose. Israel instead chooses to antagonize the Gazans with blockages and outrageous crimes and bombings. The reason they do so is because Israel is run by right wing idealogues that benefit poltically from unending war.

israel= genocidal war criminals
11:45 PM on 01/01/2009
With recognition will come peace. Simple.
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05:47 PM on 01/02/2009
Israel is not responsible for Gaza. Period. Israel is only concerned with Gaza because of cross-border security. They have no interest in meddling with the existence of 2 million miseducated, hate-mongering Arabs. The Israelis also have no reason to further peace with a group of people who, in various guises, have been trying to kill them for 60+ years.

The rest of the Arab world could can take care of the Gazans, but they never will, because they don't care. This is for a variety of reasons I could get into if this was an actual discussion.

And your final statement "israel= genocidal war criminals" -- wow. You sound like a Republican. Go invade Iraq with your simple, clean logic... you and Bush sound like you'd get along well.

If this is how you paint Israel, I can't imagine what you think of Hamas...
11:11 PM on 01/01/2009
They have been fighting for 2,000 years and they will be fighting for another 2,000 years.......
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02:01 AM on 01/02/2009
That's what they said about Ireland. Ever hear of progress?
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07:46 AM on 01/02/2009
No, actually it's 60. This is a seperate conflict thatn the ones 2,000 years ago. Or 3, 000 years ago.

Learn some history.
11:06 PM on 01/01/2009
I can see an Arab oil embargo against Israel in the near future. Will their leaders ever understand that murdering women and children is an inappropriate response to rock throwing children and rocket launching amateurs who never seem to hit anythng or harm anyone with their homemade weapons?
11:25 PM on 01/01/2009
triplbee - Israel gets much if not most of it;s oil from Iran. It goes to a European country (Denmark?) first then reshipped to an Israeli refinery.

A complicated world we live in.
11:27 PM on 01/01/2009
shoot a rocket, get bombed for hours..........shoot another add hours..........it will stop at some point
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07:47 AM on 01/02/2009
Yes, when idiotic Hamas gets the idea tha the Israeli's will go 10 for 1 in all and any actions. It's not worth fighting a war wit them. They have total immunity of action.
09:31 PM on 01/01/2009
Israel is far from perfect, but they are defending themselves from rocket attacks started by Hamas. I don't think the palestinians want peace. They would have to give up their status as eternal victims. The arab world, instead of helping the palestians financially to build an economy, uses them as an excuse for all kinds of violence. Why do western nations send aid to them?! Let the rich arab countries that care so much about the palestinans send them money to build an economy and improve their lives. Than maybe, if they are serious about peace and their own state, they would get over the fact that israel exists and will always exist and vote in a government that is willing to negotiate rather than lob rockets.
I'm not Jewish, but I'm so sick of the palestinians! They start something then whine and want sympathy when Israel retaliates to protect their citizens. I hear all these protests about the palestinian dead. What about the victims in Israel? Are they not innocent? Did they ask for Hamas to lob rockets on them? Are they supposed to sit by and do nothing while they do so? This shelling would stop if Hamas would stop, but they never will because they want to destroy israel. How do you deal with people like that? You can't. The only thing they understand is death and marterdom. So Israel go in there and marter as many as you can before they hit your nuclear plant.
02:41 AM on 01/02/2009
There is no peace until the 95% of the land grabbed from the Palestinians are returned by the Israelis. The land belongs to the Palestinians.
Israeli can not claim the land because it is their destiny. Biblically, they have ties to the land. They can visit the land. They can even live there, but they can not grabbed the land, create 1.1 million refugees, and create a nation based on stolen land. Simple fact. So return the land, and peace will come. I'm sure the Jews can live there, just like they live all over the middle east. They just can not take the land away from the Palestinians and create a nation. Just like the US and Australians, they stole the land from the natives, and made a nation.
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08:09 AM on 01/02/2009
And so it goes with the establishment of any new civilization. There is nothing notable here other than it happened in the 20th century, when such types of expansion were waning.

The land is not going to be returned. So now that we're done with that, what is a peacefu settlement?
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10:13 AM on 01/02/2009
In 1947, the UN voted to partition Palestine-- which had been part of the British Mandate, not a self-governing nation-- into two states: one for Palestinians and one for Jews. When the British withdrew from Palestine in 1948 (and the UN recognized Israel's existence as a nation), the Arab states surrounding Israel attacked Israel and also occupied Gaza (occupied by Egypt) and the West Bank (occupied by Jordan). So that's a little history for you. Who knows what might have been if Israel hadn't been attacked from day 1; with hindsight, the answer seems obvious. But it's basically useless and untrue to talk about Israel "stealing the land."