Fatah Supporters Unite With Hamas Against Israel

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The Independent   |  Ben Lynfield in Ramallah   |   January 9, 2009 09:54 AM

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Even if Israel wins on the battlefield or in the diplomatic corridors it is already paying the price of its Gaza onslaught in intensified hatred in the hearts of its Palestinian neighbours in the West Bank. The campaign also appears to be increasing public scepticism about the Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas's chosen path of negotiations as the way to establish an independent state alongside Israel.

The diplomacy championed by Mr Abbas has for years been difficult to sell to Palestinians because it has brought little or no relief from occupation or improvement in their daily lives, only the expansion of Israeli settlements. This existing frustration -which helped Hamas defeat Mr Abbas's Fatah movement in the 2006 elections - is now combined with popular anger and dismay at the carnage among fellow Palestinians in Gaza.

Palestinian Authority security forces are keeping a tight lid on protests, preventing confrontations with Israeli troops and arresting anyone raising Hamas banners at rallies. But displays of identification with the beleaguered Gazans are everywhere. Nine-year-old green-kerchiefed girl Scouts, their foreheads marked with the word Gaza in red ink, were among those who marched through the main al-Manara square in a protest. They held up pictures of bandaged toddlers, and dozens of demonstrators chanted, "With blood and spirit, we will redeem you, O Gaza".

Leaders of Fatah, which lost control of Gaza to Hamas fighters in June 2007, are torn between their own hopes that Hamas, which they view as a usurper and agent of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Jordan, is defeated, and the people's anger over the Israeli campaign. There is a great deal at stake for them. "If Hamas is victorious and the Israelis raise the white flag there will be a problem in the West Bank, more people will support Hamas, and the Arab regimes will have problems too," said Ziad Abu Ein, the deputy minister of prisoner affairs and a veteran of 13 years in Israeli prisons.

Bassem Khoury, the president of the Palestinian Federation of Industries, launched the PA-supported National Palestinian Campaign to Relieve Gaza by holding up a picture from the al-Ayyam daily newspaper showing the head of a Palestinian girl buried in the rubble of an Israeli attack. "This is unbelievable," he said. "How will this help the Israelis? It only generates more recruits for Hamas."

Unlike the people, who seem less concerned as yet with apportioning Palestinian blame, some Fatah leaders couple calls for national unity with accusing Hamas of causing the suffering in Gaza. Tawfik al-Tirawi, an adviser to Mr Abbas and a former security chief, said: "The political leadership that miscalculated has brought catastrophe on itself and its people."

Palestinians in the West Bank have their own long-standing grievances against Israel: the ongoing occupation, checkpoints Israel says are needed for security but that hamper their movement, often humiliate them and paralyse economic life, the expropriation of Palestinian land, and the threat of Israeli army incursion or arrest. The images from Gaza are being layered onto a collective memory of being expelled at Israel's creation in 1948.

A teacher in a PA school talked of the Israeli attack on a UN school in Gaza that killed at least 40 people and other killings of civilians. "The feeling is of severe anger," he said. "We are angry at the Jews and the hatred of them inside of us has increased. This is more than people can bear. We are mad at the Palestinian Authority and we are mad at the Arab regimes. When there is a call to convene an Arab meeting it looks like they are giving Israel a free hand to do whatever it wants"

Another PA employee, from the northern West Bank city of Nablus, said: "I want to educate my kids to hate Israel. If I can't do something maybe my kids can. I will educate them to fight the Israelis."

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To those who think that Israel cares for women rights,I assure you that if you are in the place of palestinians you will have the same human justice israel offers pals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 01/13/2009
- jmad I'm a Fan of jmad 4 fans permalink

This hatred extends throughout at the Islamic World.
Because of our weapons and support of Zionism, we are cast in the same light.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 01/12/2009
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It is much easier for both sides to hate then to forgive. Israel does not view th Palestinians as human beings and the Palestians view the Israelis as having stolen their land. Things haven't changed in the past 60 years and, unfortunately, probably never will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 01/11/2009

Make it all one state for all...from the west bank to gaza.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 01/11/2009
- mergina I'm a Fan of mergina 83 fans permalink
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Here is a next step. Since you are incapable of pinpointing the rockets and rocket lauchers, just go home. At this pace you are going to have to murder everyone in Gaza to stop those rockets you are so inept at finding and stopping. Then, just as you have done that, they will start coming from somewhere else. Oh Israel, the storm you are bringing upon yourself can still be avoided. IN THE NAME OF LOVE, STOP KILLING EACH OTHER before love kills you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 01/10/2009
- onalimb I'm a Fan of onalimb 5 fans permalink

No surprise.
When people watch loved ones being killed it is going to stir revenge in some.
Imagine if instead Israel were offering peaceful coexistence instead of death.
When people watch loved ones living happy lives it is going to foster compassion and generate hope
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 01/10/2009

Unfortunately, Palestinian television media made them recruits long before this. And clips of child indoctrination are available for all to see.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 01/10/2009
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 63 fans permalink

That may be true but no country in the world is offering a positive alternative at the present time. Israel's actions are equivalent to teaching a dog to fight and then complaining because it bites.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 01/10/2009
- Hirnlego I'm a Fan of Hirnlego 112 fans permalink
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Ron Paul: Gaza crisis is blowback for past US interventions

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Paul_Expect_blowback_for_US_weapons_0109.html

"You know, Hamas, if you look at the history you'll find out that Hamas was encouraged and really started by Israel because they wanted Hamas to counteract Yasser Arafat. You say, "Yeah, it was better then and it served its purpose but we didn't want Hamas to do this." So then, we as Americans say, "Well, we have such a good system we're going to impose this on the world. We're going to invade Iraq and teach people how to be democrats. We want free elections." We encourage the palestinians to have a free election. They do and they elect Hamas. So, we first indirectly and directly through Israel help established Hamas. Then we have an election that Hamas becomes dominant so we have to kill them. You know, it just doesn't make sense.

During the 80's, you know, we were allied with Osama bin Laden and we were contending with the Soviets. It was at that time our C.I.A. thought it was good if we radicalize the Muslim world. So we financed the madrassa schools to radicalize the Muslims in order to compete with the -- with the Soviets. There's too much blowback."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 AM on 01/10/2009
- onalimb I'm a Fan of onalimb 5 fans permalink

I do like Ron Paul.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 01/10/2009
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 63 fans permalink

Except for the anti-abortion stance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 01/10/2009
- Hirnlego I'm a Fan of Hirnlego 112 fans permalink
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Me too. One some things...such as civil liberties and war..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 01/10/2009
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 63 fans permalink

Both the US and Israel are fickle friends; guess they deserve each other.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 01/10/2009

Violence begets violence. Oppression begets violence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 01/10/2009

So then Hamas should lay down their arms to put a stop to the "cycle of violence".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 01/10/2009
- TheKidd I'm a Fan of TheKidd 6 fans permalink

yeah, Hamas should...oh wait, that's easy for both of us to say when we're sitting comfortably in front of our computer monitors talking about what people who just witnessed their children/w­ife/husban­d/mother get killed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 01/10/2009
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 63 fans permalink

Hamas? How long have they been in this game? Weren't they FOI in previous years? Who will feed the Gazans if Hamas ceases to exist? Israel?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 01/10/2009
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Let the women of these cultures negotiate a truce and treaty. The men in these cultures are too hung-up on sex to do it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 01/09/2009
- mikep I'm a Fan of mikep 11 fans permalink

That's the best idea I've heard in this whole mess. But it won't happen. This whole war is about women's rights. That's what really bothers the Arabs about the Israelis, the real core of the problem. It has nothing to do with land, or checkpoints, or Hamas. Or very little. It's about the fact that the Israelis respect human rights, including those of women, and have a democratic society based on the rule of law. That's intolerable to the Muslims, at least the male ones. For one thing, they don't want to hand over half of the oil revenue to their women. They just can't handle the idea of a modern society with human rights.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 PM on 01/09/2009
- Hirnlego I'm a Fan of Hirnlego 112 fans permalink
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absolutely ridiculous
"It's about the fact that the Israelis respect human rights, including those of women"
Gee, another of our homes was just bulldozed by the Israelis to build a new settlement but that's alright as long as we can keep our women down. Refugee camps? Fantastic. Roadblocks? Collective punishment to the degree of no acess to food an water, roadblocks to prevent movement etc.. none of these matter?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 AM on 01/10/2009
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 63 fans permalink

You must be kidding. If Israeli's respect human rights, that must mean that they feel that no one except them are human. But, of course, the Arab "citizens" of Israel might find that confusing as they are so, obviously, treated unequally. Some of the things that Muslims and Jews have in common is their use of women as brood mares and their insistence that they dress modestly, and worship separately from males. This is true among some Christian religions as well. None of these folk respect women's rights, and, as such, cannot be considered as being democratic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 01/10/2009
- jmad I'm a Fan of jmad 4 fans permalink

You completely miss the issue. It is all about land and liberty, the anthem of all oppressed people

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 01/12/2009
- PKSSK I'm a Fan of PKSSK 15 fans permalink

The frightening impact of more and more people speaking up against Israel everydary is a reality, as we all learn the truth of what's happening to innocent civilians in Gaza, and the complicity of our own gov't. Even more frightening is the direction of social behavior and the danger it poses around the world, as many direct their anger towards jews as a whole and American's abroad. The world is becoming more and more dangerous each day, as a result of the criminal actions of the Israeli and American gov't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 01/09/2009
- nogimmicks I'm a Fan of nogimmicks 28 fans permalink

There is no accountability in this world for a country that has more money, bombs and nukes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 01/09/2009
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 63 fans permalink

What makes you think that a country controls all that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 01/10/2009
- Hirnlego I'm a Fan of Hirnlego 112 fans permalink
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Like I said... its entirely counterpro­ductive...­so don't be superficially "pro-Israel".
If the tactics had worked then the problem would have been solved years and years ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 01/09/2009
- Taxi I'm a Fan of Taxi 34 fans permalink

Self-defence or terrorism? You decide:

http://www.annainthemiddleeast.com/photos/maps_media/1400/

It illustrates, so clearly, so succinctly, so very simply, the 'facts on the ground' that Israel has managed to create for itself over the last sixty years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 01/09/2009

Taxi:

The whole idea if dividing Palestine after WW2 was an aberration, it did not take into account that there were actually people living in this land, that these people had lived there for centuries.

They tried to do one right (they felt guilty about the holocaust) and they created one wrong. It was wrong to displace those people.

The 2-state partition did not work then and it is not working now and it will never work because Israel wants more and more and the Palestinians just get squeezed. At this point in time, the best solution would be just one state, where Christian Palestinians and Arab Palestinians can have the same rights than the Israelis, can vote, can be part of political parties, separation of state and church, no discrimination, etc. They need to learn how to live together. The more I think about it, the more sense it makes. Just by looking a this maps, I just know that it will never work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 PM on 01/09/2009
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SylviaMaria,

Most European Jews are converts into the Jewish faith and not the direct descendants of the ancient desert Hebrews. You can physically see this, right? Arab Jews being a darker shade of olive and European Jews not exactly looking like they come from the depth of the Arabian desert.

In what used to be known as historic Palestine, Arab Jews co-existed with Christian Arabs and Muslim Arabs side by side, under Arab administration for centuries. Its people for many generations weakened and constantly in the throws of recovering from one colonization after another ie: Turkish occupation followed by British rule.

Enabled by mass-holocaust guilt in Europe and the League of Nations (the UN of that time), Palestinian land was freely given to European Jews, with the Palestinian people naturally revolting against this original injustice.

If you think about it, the areas north of Gaza where Hamas are aiming and firing their rockets at, actually belong to the Palestinians. Hamas is merely shooting at its own villages in an attempt to evict the illegal settlers.

I don't exactly approve of their methods, but I can't exactly see what else the Palestinians can do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 01/09/2009
- Taxi I'm a Fan of Taxi 34 fans permalink

... continued from previous post....

Their ancestral cemeteries are now the other side of the concentration camp wall, their children are... well it's too sad to talk about that. And not forgetting of course, that in the last seven and a half years, while the PLO and the Israelis were 'negotiating' several on-and-off bogus peace deals, Israel has managed to increase it's illegal Jewish settlements by 42%. The Israeli 'reality on the ground' is even worse now than what the 2005 map shows.

Enough injustice to the Palestinian people. They too deserve everything the Israelis insist on.

People around the world, because of the internet, can see with their own eyes what's really going on and they don't care about black or white or religion or politics - they just all, I feel, don't want to see ANY civilians being hurt for ANY reason ANY MORE.
The century where we tolerate heartlessly the normalization of the phrase 'collateral damage' is over with the dying Bush administration and it's friends.

Most people on this planet are pleasant civilians and the good global citizens relate to one another and find violence against other civilians in any country UNACCEPTABLE.

The negotiating table is surely the only battlefield fit for the turmoil of the 21st century.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 01/09/2009
- arvay I'm a Fan of arvay 140 fans permalink
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I agree with you.

The "two state" solution is now really dead -- it's always been an Israeli fig leaf, anyway. Whenever the Arabs seem serious, the Israelis always find a way to torpedo the effort, then blame Arab "intransigence" for the failure. Meanwhile, they are always building new settlements.

Israel has no intention of allowing a truly viable Palestinian state next door. For decades they opposed the very idea, their "acceptance" now is a transparent sham. And the Palestinians will not accept an Arab Bantustan -- that's what they have now..

The choice for Israeli's people is stark.

Either agree to a single democratic state, or face endless war and the eventual victory of the demographic "time bomb." Even the vaunted Israeli military can't kill Arabs fast enough to offset that.

South Africa managed to come out of apartheid with a reconciliation effort. Even though things aren't perfect there, they're making a good effort and they have every reason to be optimistic.

This could happen here also. If not, brace yourselves for more devastation and the eventual rescue of Israeli survivors from the rubble.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 01/10/2009
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 63 fans permalink

I don't believe that the Western World felt guilty at all. They had a problem that needed to be solved. They didn't want it to involve them so they used the NIMBY approach and sent them to Palestine. The US should feel guilty about rejecting the shipload of people on the Lusitania (sp?) and the Israelis should feel guilty about depriving the Gazans of electricity, gas, water, open borders, which might give them a lifeline. I think that that the US continues to have a "special relationship" with Israel because of their guilt. Wonder if 50 years from now, Israel, if it continues to exist, will have a "special relationship with the people of Gaza?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 01/10/2009
- unscum I'm a Fan of unscum 9 fans permalink

I'm not much clued into this war. I'm more busy feeling good about Barack Obama's coming inauguration.
But after stumbling over these articles I've come to the conclusion that the IDF, Israeli Defense Force, are nothing more than a bunch of animals.

Red Cross: Israeli Behavior in Gaza Shocking
Officials Spell Out "Unacceptable" Israeli Conduct

Gaza Children Found With Mothers’ Corpses
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/09/world/middleeast/09redcross.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=all

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 01/09/2009
- murphy80 I'm a Fan of murphy80 9 fans permalink

what the problem?

are the concerned that innocent children are being killed by jets with blockbusters?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 01/09/2009
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