Obama Defends Stimulus Against Critics

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January 9, 2009 11:28 AM

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Barack Obama said today that he never expected the process of crafting a stimulus package to be easy and that he welcomed any idea, regardless of author, that would get the economy running at a more effective and efficient level.

"What I want to do is get past the habit that sometimes occurs in Washington," he said, "[where what matters is] whose idea is it, what ideological corner does it come from. Just show me."

Speaking as his aides were on the Hill trying to hammer out congressional agreement on a stimulus package, Obama said he would solicit advice even from New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, whose column today criticized the initial stimulus proposal as insufficient.

"I want this to work," said the president-elect. "This is not an intellectual exercise and there is no pride of authorship. If members of Congress have good ideas, if they have a project that would create jobs in ways that do not hamper the [economy in the long-term]... then I'm going to accept it."

The conference comes as Democrats are beginning to express skepticism over the contours of Obama's stimulus proposals. The provision drawing the most ire, it seems, are tax cuts for business as a method of spurring job creation, a proposal that various officials have decried as too close to trickle down economics.

Pressed by reporters, Obama said he was open to altering the stimulus bill but cautioned that he wanted something sooner rather than later.

"Our expectation is that we will continue to hone and refine our package over the next several weeks," he said. "One thing I will continue to insist upon is that we cannot delay. There will be a whole host of good ideas out there and we should [look at] them. What we cant do is delay."

As it stands now, a stimulus bill seems likely to come to the floor of Congress in mid-February. And while Democratic officials have expressed concern over some of the tax cut provisions (and Republicans have complained about the totality of the spending), the measure should have bipartisan support. Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said on NPR Friday morning that he expected a stimulus to have more than 60 votes in the Senate.

Barack Obama said today that he never expected the process of crafting a stimulus package to be easy and that he welcomed any idea, regardless of author, that would get the economy running at a more e...
Barack Obama said today that he never expected the process of crafting a stimulus package to be easy and that he welcomed any idea, regardless of author, that would get the economy running at a more e...
 
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The 500 dollars I receive will go right into my checking account to offset the extra heating bills I will pay this winter. It's chump change. Keep the gas prices at 2.00 per gallon or less for the next four years and I will be happy. It would mean an extra 2000 dollars for me to spend elsewhere for the year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 01/11/2009
- Doofus I'm a Fan of Doofus 25 fans permalink
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If you 'do the Google' 'credit default swaps' & 'Krugman', you'll get the following:

(Which doesn't mention swaps at all, is facetiously (?) dated Feb 27 2008, and
concludes 'Paul Krugman concluded a column published on March 2, 2007,
which described how a financial meltdown might happen, by hedging his bets,
declaring that: “I’m not saying that things will actually play out this way. But if
we’re going to have a crisis, here’s how.".)

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March 2, 2007
Op-Ed Columnist
The Big Meltdown
By PAUL KRUGMAN

FEB. 27, 2008

The great market meltdown of 2007 began exactly a year ago, with a 9 percent fall in the Shanghai market, followed by a 416-point slide in the Dow. But as in the previous global financial crisis, which began with the devaluation of Thailand’s currency in the summer of 1997, it took many months before people realized how far the damage would spread. ...

Well, things always seem clearer with the benefit of hindsight. At the time, even pessimists were unsure of their ground. For example, Paul Krugman concluded a column published on March 2, 2007, which described how a financial meltdown might happen, by hedging his bets, declaring that: “I’m not saying that things will actually play out this way. But if we’re going to have a crisis, here’s how.”

http://select.nytimes.com/2007/03/02/opinion/02krugman.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 01/11/2009
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I'm intrigued whether Krugman has had anything to say about swaps or derivatives,
as to their role in the current crisis. It seems that he has not had much to say at all,
which is worrisome. There is this, for instance, on derivatives:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/24/hell-freezes-over/

June 24, 2008, 9:49 am - Hell freezes over

I agree with a lot of what this WSJ editorial says. The difference, I think, is that they seem to believe that speculation is always good; I don’t, but I fail to see any evidence that speculation is the villain in this particular crisis. ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 01/11/2009
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Said David Brooks the other day in the NYT:

January 9, 2009
Op-Ed Columnist
The Confidence Surplus
By DAVID BROOKS

Christina Romer is Barack Obama’s choice to lead his Council of Economic Advisers. In 1994, Romer and her husband, David, wrote an essay entitled “What Ends Recessions?” In the first paragraph, the Romers noted that “economists seem strangely unsure about what to tell policy makers to do to end recessions.”

The Romers surveyed the recessions of the previous 50 years to try to reach some conclusions about what works. “Our central conclusion is that monetary policy alone is a sufficiently powerful and flexible tool to end recessions,” they wrote. Automatic spending policies like unemployment insurance have sometimes helped. Discretionary policies, like tax cuts and stimulus plans, have not been of much use. As they put it: “Discretionary fiscal policy, in contrast, does not appear to have had an important role in generating recoveries.”

The Romers briefly described how different administrations responded to recessions. All the administrations, Democratic and Republican, resisted large-scale fiscal stimulus plans. They didn’t believe they could time a stimulus correctly. They didn’t trust Congress to pass the bills quickly or cleanly. They decided they shouldn’t be making policy in what Kennedy administration economists called “an atmosphere of haste and panic brought on by recession.” ...

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'What Ends Recessions?' You can find this
paper on the 'Net & buy it for $14 or so.
That's what ends recessions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 01/11/2009
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Paul Krugman is right about the size of the stimulus it must be very large to prevent the continued downward spiral we are in presently. Saving homes from foreclosure will go far in stabilizing our communities and the economy allowing people to stay in their homes and off of already strained social services. Senator Harkin of Iowa is correct too when he pressed for jobs that will put people back to work who will spend money and pay taxes. Also, as if we need reminding our infrastructure needs rebuilding and/or replacement while we design and build structures that moves us into the 21st century meeting future needs and industries.

I think that we can wait on tax cuts. The stimulus is the most pressing matter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 01/11/2009
- Avembe I'm a Fan of Avembe 5 fans permalink

This is becoming circus!!I thought Obama brought together great minds around him, able to realize an intelligent plan!!!i 'm afraid all this won't succeed much more because of politics rather than anything else!!!when Obama talked about his tax cuts i don't remember any dem against during the campaign....Now we have a bunch of morons opening their mouth to criticize Obama's plan!!!
either they know what to do, either they just shut up,as they did when GWB was messing with the budget and just let Obama work!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 AM on 01/11/2009
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Exactly Obama is only keeping a campaign promise and being president for all the people.

!00% government spending just will not kick in until enough infrastructure projects are underway and they will take months and in some cases over a year.

Direct stimulus as tax cuts may not have as much effect later on but their effect is much quicker.

Like usual all the ideologues on both sides are right and wrong but that's why pragmatists make the best presidents because they take the correct ideas from both sides.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 AM on 01/11/2009
- rf-hawaii I'm a Fan of rf-hawaii 18 fans permalink

Democracy is noisy when it's working.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 01/11/2009
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The housing problem must be resolved and citizens must have enough money to stimulate demand and growth.

Robert Reich explains:

http://www.truthout.org/010709D

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 AM on 01/11/2009
- DoTheMath I'm a Fan of DoTheMath 42 fans permalink

Since I don't see Krugman commenting here, I'll throw in my own very self-serving suggestion for keeping a lot of people employed in a productive way: Give a bunch of money to states that need it.

My state just hired a lot of IT workers to improve the efficiency, effectiveness, and accountability of state services. Now our governor plans to lay off the 20% of state workers with the least seniority - guess who? This will create a higher demand for the same services that already needed improvement.

And our state-funded colleges are already turning away qualified applicants because we can't afford to educate them. We have a higher demand for education, but we're serving fewer students than before. Does this sound like a good idea to you?

HELP!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 01/11/2009
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Clearly no one knows what is an "idea" any more; an original conception ... doesn't exist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 AM on 01/11/2009

GWB cherry-picked his advisors... those basically who agreed w/ him, and refused to listen to anyone else, no matter how respected an expert they were.... The fact that P.E. Obama is willing to look at all aspects, and be willing to be open to his critics... if they have a valid point, he will modify his approach accordingly. He seems to gather as much information as is available to him in order to make the best decision possible to solve the problems facing this country. Thank goodness!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 01/10/2009
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This is the reason I voted for him. He is intelligent enough and secure with himself to not be threatened by opposing ideas.

The best "brain storming" comes from a pool of many ideas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 01/11/2009
- ScapeGoat I'm a Fan of ScapeGoat 10 fans permalink
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Exactly!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 AM on 01/11/2009
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Whats so sad is people will call it flip flopping...*shakes head*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 01/11/2009

O, yeah, Obama is definitely from the South Side, where we call that pulling Krugman's H@E card!

Put up or shut

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 01/10/2009
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"If ..... have good ideas ..... then I'm going to accept it."

Oh my!

I should hope so.

So arrogant.

Too bad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 01/10/2009
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Is that what you read into it ?

Oh my !

So stupid.

Too sad

The actual quote::::::::
"If members of Congress have good ideas, if they have a project that would create jobs in ways that do not hamper the [economy in the long-term]... then I'm going to accept it.""

That's sounds arrogant to you ? RLY ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 01/11/2009
- ScapeGoat I'm a Fan of ScapeGoat 10 fans permalink
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That sounds like an open mind. Someone who is willing to look at all angles, to allow the free flow of ideas to find the best solution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 01/11/2009
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Doesnt it make your forehead tingle...I mean..MY GOD man! I think aptitude test should be in place before logging on to the internet...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 01/11/2009
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!! I was taken aback by the level of idiocy in that statement...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 01/11/2009
- zoozey I'm a Fan of zoozey 35 fans permalink

Most telling was Obama's statement about "....there is no pride of ownership." It really does sum up the way he will think as POTUS. I truly think that he means it when he says that if one thing doesn't work, he will try another. Unlike Bush, who would stay a course even when it meant disaster, just because his ego couldn't take being wrong.

Obama will not do everything right the first time. But I truly believe that he will keep trying until he leaves office, and he will admit if he is wrong and try something else. He does seem to be in it for success--whatever it takes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 01/10/2009

Good for Obama. Krugman was running off at the mouth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 01/10/2009
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Krugman was correct. Good for Krugman to speak the truth even if the Obamabots dont' want to hear it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 AM on 01/11/2009

Who in Obama's gang will decide if Krugman's ideas are good or not? Definitely not those who designed Obama's plan. Krugman designed Hillary Clinton's economic plan and all you kids know that Obama's advisors didn't like anything Clinton suggested until after he won the nomination from her.
Now Obama thinks everything Clinton is good because it was all along. Ha-Ha, You were bamboozled by the DCL and the Clintons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 PM on 01/10/2009
- pewty I'm a Fan of pewty 9 fans permalink

foreffecti­vegovernme­nt, I have a suggestion. All of your ilk, the naysayers, whiners and obstructionists should move to Alaska, Gaza , anywhere that idiots are welcomed. If in 8 years the REAL AMERICANS led by our President Obama have not fixed the Repug Disaster, your welcome to come back to the USA with your brilliant ideas and fix everything. If we REAL AMERICANS do fix everything then you DO NOT ever set foot in this country again. The new Democratic Mantra: SHUT UP ANG GET OUT OF THE WAT!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 01/10/2009
- eshalom I'm a Fan of eshalom 14 fans permalink

Wow, Pewty, I admire how effectively you're following the Obama script for bipartisanship, treating everyone with respect wherever they come from, etc. You're really a piece of work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 01/10/2009

I had a good job during the Clinton Administration! You're speaking under the impression that we hate Clinton! We all did well during those years -- unlike the last 8 under Bush with 6 years of republican majority and 2 years of record filibusters!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 01/10/2009
- Knowitall I'm a Fan of Knowitall 70 fans permalink

Your comment doesn't make sense. Obama and his economic advisers will come to some consensus on who has the best ideas. If it's Krugman so be it. But here you are saying that Krugman "designed" Hillary Clinton's economic plan and that Obama didn't like what she suggested. UNTIL after he won.
So are you saying NOW Obama's using Krugman (Clinton's) economic plan??? If so, What the heck is Krugman complaining about???? Maybe you need to tell Krugman that Obama is using the plan he designed for Clinton. He doesn't seem to think so.
Ha-Ha maybe you've been bamboozled.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 01/10/2009

Bailout Taxpaying Voters Too
I am outraged and insulted by Obama’s proposal to offer $500 to individuals and $1000 to families as a tax cut (and I canvassed for him in Fla). Is he totally out of touch? This is peanuts that will do nothing to get us out of this hole.

He should bailout all of us, the tax-paying voters, with a major stimulus to spend. It’s our money after all that our government has been handing out so cavalierly to failed AIG, failed GM, failed Citibank, etc.

It’s time the government gave some of this cash back to us, the taxpayers. If our government would send each taxpayer a credit card with a value of, say, $100,000, which would force us to spend it rather than saving it, the economy would boom instantly.

Furthermore, this would be the most efficient and fastest way to speed the Recovery, stimulating more sales and thus more jobs; the only negative might be that it would almost certainly guarantee the re-election of this congress that is responsible for much of this mess.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 01/10/2009
- edzeppelin I'm a Fan of edzeppelin 3 fans permalink

I doubt you canvassed for Obama. If you did you should have known Obama's campaign tax cut proposals and the $500/$1000 tax cut was in his original tax plan.

Giving all of us (est 250 million adults) $100,000 would be approximately 25,000,000,000,000. That's 25 Trillion! Sorry gorgeous, not gonna happen. If he took the 1 trillion and mailed everyone a check it would be $4,000 each. Giving everyone a check for $4,000 isn't going to jump-start the economy more effectively then public spending.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 01/10/2009
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 208 fans permalink

[ each taxpayer a credit card with a value of, say, $100,000]

By the time inflation kicked in, that 100k would be WORTH about the same as the 1k.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 01/10/2009
- Tackora I'm a Fan of Tackora 8 fans permalink

How can you write $1000 a year per family is peanut. It is $2.74 a day! It is even more in a leap-year.
Go ahead Mr. PE Obama! But if I may advise you; give them $2.75 per day. It costs a bit more but easier to handle. Thanks, and keep up the good work.
P.S. You might want to hire Bob Rubin. He has just retired and has thet ime. Besides, he was always OK with the Clintons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 01/10/2009
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