Newsweek Reporters: Obama Should Keep Torture

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January 12, 2009 10:15 AM

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A Newsweek article, detailing the legacy that Dick Cheney is leaving for the incoming Obama administration, contains a description of a scene that I think may be steeped in apocrypha:

At a retirement ceremony recently for a top-level intelligence official, the senior spooks in the room gave each other high-fives. They were celebrating the fact that terrorists have not attacked the United States since 9/11. In the view of many intelligence professionals, the get-tough measures encouraged or permitted by George W. Bush's administration--including "waterboarding" self-proclaimed 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed--kept America safe. Cheney himself has been underscoring the point in a round of farewell interviews. "If I had advice to give it would be, before you start to implement your campaign rhetoric, you need to sit down and find out precisely what it is we did and how we did it, because it is going to be vital to keeping the nation safe and secure in the years ahead," he told CBS Radio.

I have to imagine that if you were to shake the hand of a "senior spook," it would be heavily callused from high-fives, seeing that terrorist attacks on the United States are, by any estimation, far rarer than retirement parties. The authors are willing to admit that the outgoing administration did a lot of "flaunting executive power, ignoring Congress, [and] showing scorn for anyone who waved the banner of civil liberties." But they seem to think that the Obama administration, despite having promised to dial back the Bush/Cheney legacy of transforming the Executive Branch into an unchecked ranch of authoritarianism, will have a difficult time in the undoing of that, making it unlikely that "he will wildly overcorrect for the Bush administration's abuses."

That would be a shame, and not just because Obama promised otherwise. The Bush administration takes it as an article of faith that they will receive some sort of credit for having prevented attacks on the United States. But, again, a historical comparison makes this a pretty slim accomplishment among presidents. I'll remember the Bush administration as one that failed to avail themselves of the means at their disposal to keep us safe. Let's recall, for auld lang syne, that ancient and forgotten Presidential Daily Brief. Also, 9/11 -- aren't we supposed to be "never forgetting?" Let's just say that if there's a club, in this life or the next, of Presidents who give each other high-fives for preventing terrorist attacks on the United States, George W. Bush will not be a member.

But, more to the point: Dick Cheney wants us to believe that it was their willingness to use torture and the waterboarding of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed that has significantly moved the needle of "victory" in our favor. This is poorly reasoned. A lack of attacks on the U.S. does not account for the spectacular job al Qaeda has done getting away with the one it did. Whatever intelligence was gained from torture hasn't rooted al Qaeda from its safe perch or significantly thrown their operational ability into disarray. And the simple fact of the matter is that Bush and Cheney glibly elide over the reality of what happens when we remove our moral ballast from the equation and denigrate our democratic values by torturing others. If I could leave you with one thought here in the last days of the Bush administration, let it be this: our policy of torture may never come to be known as the means by which attacks were prevented, but it will inevitably serve as the inspiration for the next one that succeeds.

A Newsweek article, detailing the legacy that Dick Cheney is leaving for the incoming Obama administration, contains a description of a scene that I think may be steeped in apocrypha: At a retirement...
A Newsweek article, detailing the legacy that Dick Cheney is leaving for the incoming Obama administration, contains a description of a scene that I think may be steeped in apocrypha: At a retirement...
 
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My theory is this. Those who have violated international law, by using torture, should, if they are the super-patriots they claim to be, face the music (aka the law) with a clear conscience. Cowards hide their crimes in this regard. If they did this, and are what they claim to be, they shouldn't mind going to prison. Heck, even if they are given the death penalty, they should hold their heads high...if their goals were as their spin says.

We know however, that this is not the case, and they are playing CYA to beat the band, so they can keep their sorry gluteous maximi from being put in the slammer. That is where these criminals belong...even if they are the "super-brave patriots" they spin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 01/13/2009

"our policy of torture may never come to be known as the means by which attacks were prevented, but it will inevitably serve as the inspiration for the next one that succeeds"

It needed to be said. Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 01/13/2009

PRESIDENT OBAMA is too fine a human being to go along with anything that the Bush Adm. did. He will never support torture and the criminals will be held accountable. I think PRESIDENT OBAMA has answered that question over and over again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 01/12/2009

We will see. It's possible he may just be competent enough that we wouldn't know if anyone was tortured in the first place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 01/12/2009
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Maybe one day we will know of the planned attacks that were prevented since 9/11.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 01/12/2009
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"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know."
--Donald Rumsfeld

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 01/12/2009

I think I understand that because I'm watching 24 right now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 01/12/2009

And maybe one day I'll be a ballet dancer. But, as a 63 yr old man, I doubt that.

What we DO know about is the worst attack on this country by terrorists EVER took place on this administrations watch - and they had warning which they ignored.

They didn't keep us safe from attacks - that is a big huge lie!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 01/12/2009

An early task for the Intellegence community in the Obama administration should be to find out who was at that party and determine which of the attendies need to go and which need to be prosecuted for war crimes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 01/12/2009

America does not torture. We have intel, not in-humane actions that have kept us safe since. George W. Bush's torture tactics had less to do with it than popular opinion states. Bush was pre-warned and was asleep at the switch after he stole the election from Al Gore. Karma is a Bitc* but so many human lives were involved that I don't really like using that analogy. George W. stays in denial in order to live with himself. And the cold part about it is that all of the NEO CONS agree with him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 01/12/2009
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that arguement-we haven't been attacked since 9/11 is so bogus. all one has to do is inquire as to how many terrorist attacks we had prior to 9/11 and it falls completely flat-yes there was terrorist activity but it was domestic and not of the magnitude of 9/11.

the whole premise that it would not have happened had al gore been president is a big "what if." but i can be pretty confident in the assumption that he wouldn't have ignored the august 4th daily briefing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 01/12/2009

And if it had happened during a Gore presidency there is no doubt that the response and especially its results would have been much different.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 AM on 01/13/2009

This bit of original Newsweek copy may be a reason why users of news reject Newsweek & other traditional MSM. The great scented in lime soap web user & the common user of Ivory both find torture unacceptable. The old great unwashed don't read or vote & may be a declining minority. The ideas Newsweek is selling are being left on the counter along with the unsold copies of Newsweek. The stereotype of the web user sitting at the monitor & keyboard in underwear showers often & changes underwear after each shower. This effete breed & culture reject torture as a way to get information. They vote. BTW, GI's are users of showers too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 01/12/2009
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I cancelled my subscription to NewsWeek years ago. I do miss reading Fareed and Anna, but the propaganda was too much and I couldn't in good conscience support it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 01/12/2009

Obama will keep torture.Like he's keeping Gitmo.Like he's occupying Iraq.Like he's invading Afghanistan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 01/12/2009

I assume you missed the post in this HuffPost about how Obama is going to announce the closing of Gitmo during the first week of his Presidency??

He will not 'keep' torture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 01/12/2009
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As in a picture of Bush and Cheney on the wall...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 01/12/2009
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Cheney initiated the discussions with CIA about torture. Espionage professionals do *not* want to torture, and do *not* believe it is useful.
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In the view of many intelligence professionals, the get-tough measures encouraged or permitted by George W. Bush's administration"including "waterboarding" self-proclaimed 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed"kept America safe.
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Newsweek authors Stuart Taylor, Jr. and Evan Thomas assert "many", falsely and they know it, because they couldn't find *ONE* willing to be named for the record, except that political toady, Hayden. Bush appointed him. His "opinions", payback for the favor of appointment by the most corrupt President ever, count for nothing.

Here is the opinion of some qualified professionals:
http://crooksandliars.com/2007/11/03/retired-jags-send-letter-to-leahy-waterboarding-is-inhumane-it-is-torture-and-it-is-illegal/

How torture "works":
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/19/AR2006061901211.html

Who has been pushing torture (hint, not CIA):
http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2007/06/26/dick-cheney-more-horrors-from-the-vice-president-for-torture/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 01/12/2009

He sounds like Joe Scarborough. Hope everyone saw his show this morning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 01/12/2009
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Eww. No. What lowlight did I miss today?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 01/12/2009

You missed that Morning Joe guy defending torture. I just l o v e it when ch ic ken ha wks express how much they lo ve w a r...

Mika was especially s i c k e n i n g.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 01/12/2009

Yes, I saw Joe making a fool of himself trying to justify the torturing done by Bushco. I was so glad when CSpan WashJornal came on so I could turn channels. Why is it that some white men of the conservative mindset feel so compel to support torturing and killing to show that they are the king of the jungle. Is it a DNA thing?
Keeping us safe since 9/11. What about the Anthrax killings? That was after 9/11. What about crashing of wall street? That was after 9/11. Tax cuts in 2001, 2003 before & after 9/11 to create jobs, where are the jobs?
Bushco failed, failed the american people. Just go away, please!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 01/12/2009

What is definitely true is that Newsweek keeps torturing us with their cannibalistic ideologies. Of course, their argument is backed by "intellectual" support from some Harvard professors like Alan Dershowitz, the theorist of hammering needles under fingernails.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 01/12/2009
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Dershowitz long ago lost any sort of credibility. He represents the scariest of neo-con thinking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 01/12/2009
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Newsweek reporters should be treated like any other war mongers. The fact that they advocate criminal activities means that they should be on the dock with their political associates. Nurnberg with American jurists, established their equal guilt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 01/12/2009
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