Top Recruiter Weighs Fat Camp For Army Recruits

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SUSANNE M. SCHAFER | January 12, 2009 09:08 AM EST | AP

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Pvt. Idalia Halley,19 left, of Columbia, S.C. stands with her "battle buddy" Pvt. Katrina Thompkins, 19 of Greenville, S.C. during rifle training at a shooting range Tuesday, Nov. 18, 2008, at Fort Jackson, S.C. Both women had issues with their weight but with five weeks of training behind them and doing daily push-ups, sit-ups and working on running a two-minute mile they are confident they are ready to pass basic training. (AP Photo/Mary Ann Chastain)

FORT JACKSON, S.C. — The Army has been dismissing so many overweight applicants that its top recruiter, trying to keep troop numbers up in wartime, is considering starting a fat farm to transform chubby trainees into svelte soldiers.

Maj. Gen. Thomas Bostick, head of the Army Recruiting Command, said he wants to see a formal diet and fitness regimen running alongside a new school at Fort Jackson that helps aspiring troops earn their GEDs.

Bostick told The Associated Press that obesity looms as "a bigger challenge for us in the years ahead" than any other problem that keeps young people from entering the military, including lack of a GED or high school diploma, misconduct or criminal behavior and other health issues such as eye or ear problems.

According to Defense Department figures provided to the AP, over the past four years 47,447 potential recruits flunked induction physicals at the nation's 35 Military Entrance Processing Stations because they were overweight.

That is a fraction of the 205,902 such exams given in 2005 and 250,764 in 2008, but still amounts to a hefty number and comes at a time when the military is more interested than ever in recruits. The Army and Marine Corps together paid more than $600 million over the past year in bonuses and other financial incentives to attract volunteers.

While the services have reported exceeding their recruiting goals in the past year, the Pentagon remains under pressure to find a constant flow of recruits. The Defense Department has announced plans to boost the active duty Army by 65,000 to a total of 547,000 soldiers by next year, and grow the Marines from 175,000 to 202,000 by 2011.

Obesity afflicts recruits for other physically demanding jobs, including firefighters. Deputy Chief Ed Nied, chair of the safety, health and survival section of the International Association of Fire Chiefs, said fire departments are also making a "major push" to encourage better fitness among young people who want to join.

"We draw from the same exact population that they (the military) draw from," Nied said from his Tucson, Ariz., headquarters. "This comes from a lack of physical education in the high schools."

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In an interview during a visit to the Army's largest training installation, Bostick said a slim-down camp could be part of the new Army Prep School at Fort Jackson, S.C. The school opened in August, and gives recruits who didn't graduate from high school the chance to earn a GED before starting their nine weeks of basic training.

"We are looking at the Army Prep School as a place where we might send some (recruits) that have weight issues," the two-star general said.

The prep school is housed in several one- and two-story buildings on a small part of this sprawling training installation. The classrooms and living quarters are Spartan. GED candidates wear Army uniforms, exercise before breakfast and study under the guidance of enlisted officers. They do not mix or conduct weapons training with soldiers participating in the nine weeks of basic training maneuvers elsewhere on the fort.

Bostick argues that many of the young people who want to join the Army have a hard time understanding a healthy diet and the importance of daily exercise, but could get within the military limits with guidance.

"It took them 18 years to get to where they are at, so it's very difficult for them to lose the kind of weight that they need to on their own," said Bostick, who did not provide any timing for when his idea might reach fruition, nor any projection of its potential cost.

Lawrence J. Korb, a former Pentagon chief of personnel during the Reagan administration, said the Army has to fight even harder than the other service branches to get the recruits they need.

"The Army has a tough time recruiting as compared to the other services," said Korb, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank in Washington. He said the burden for fighting an unpopular war in Iraq has fallen primarily on the military's largest service.

"They are doing this because they are desperate," Korb said.

Recruiters echo Bostick's worries about weight issues among potential candidates for the military.

"I'd say that out of every 10 applicants that come in, probably three we couldn't take _ they are obese," said Sgt. Darryl Bogan, a recruiter in Columbia. An additional 20 percent to 30 percent of recruits are slightly overweight, but some can get the weight off, Bogan said.

"We are getting heavier as a nation as far as our young people are concerned," Bogan said.

Besides basic weight and height guidelines, Bogan said the Army uses body fat percentages and an aerobics test to determine whether recruits can withstand the rigors of basic training. Recruits must step up and down on a riser at a certain rate per minute, then perform some push-ups and sit-ups and have their heart rates measured.

One of Bogan's recruits, 18-year-old Idalia Halley, was shocked when she found she was a few pounds too heavy to enter boot camp.

"My mom was like, 'You better come run with me,'" Halley recalled, saying it took several weeks of healthy eating and runs with her Army-veteran mom to finally get into the service.

On her second try, Halley said she weighed in at 162 pounds and logged a 30 percent rate of body fat to meet the Army's standard.

Toting her M-16 during weapons exercises in basic training, Halley said she'd slimmed down even more in the first weeks of training.

"I know I've lost some weight because I have to pull my pants up tighter," the Army private said. "And besides, I don't think the food's all that great _ except breakfast."

FORT JACKSON, S.C. — The Army has been dismissing so many overweight applicants that its top recruiter, trying to keep troop numbers up in wartime, is considering starting a fat farm to transfor...
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 01/16/2009
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We're in a recession, why pay $40,000 for hamburger flippers?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 01/15/2009
- Babzter I'm a Fan of Babzter 23 fans permalink
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When I joined the Air Force (WAF) I was 5'5" and I couldn't weigh more than 125 lbs. to be eligible for enlistment, in addition to meeting reasonable levels of fitness.

How times have changed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 01/15/2009
- ibsteve2u I'm a Fan of ibsteve2u 133 fans permalink
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Modern America has stacked the cards heavily (no pun intended...I think) against America's children.

The only way much of American can survive in a legacy Republican economy is for Mom and Dad to BOTH work (sometimes at multiple jobs for one or both), leaving neither one with the energy required to work, AND ensure three nutritionally balanced meals a day, AND chase their children out of the house into the sunlight.

Plus, our streets are far less safe than they once were; chasing your children out of the house for their health may be hazardous to their health.

As a result of time-constrained and exhausted parents as well as unsafe streets, ye olde game console(s) and television set(s) become increasingly central in our children's lives, while fast food joints can be the only way to meet the need for food of some kind in a limited time frame.

And then you have America's declining standard of living, increasingly resulting in the purchase of cheaper but more fattening food. At the store this weekend, tangelos were $0.50...APIECE. No big deal to the Republican crowd, but my first thought was "Gee, I am glad that I don't have growing children to feed.".

As the energy slide begins and the ratio of arable land to population density gets more upside-down, it can only get worse...

And I suspect, beyond all of the above, that cooking itself is a dying art form...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 AM on 01/15/2009
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Big Mac Patiotism...ronald says; be all you can eat.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 01/14/2009
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This is kind of what happened during the Great Depression. When World War II began, many recruits were rejected because of health issues (the effects of prolonged malnutrition) and illiteracy. While the problem is now obesity and illiteracy, as a nation we shouldn't tolerate this. During the Kennedy years the nation put a great deal of emphasis on physical fitness (do you remember the 50 mile walk?). When I was in high school during the Kennedy years we had one of the most aggressive physical fitness courses in the U.S. To do this, exercise, including weight training, came before sports (to this day I still follow much of my high school exercise routine). I think it's time we went back to the future. My hat is off to the Army for thinking out of the box.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 01/14/2009
- CFAmick I'm a Fan of CFAmick 4 fans permalink

A "fraction?" That's a very significant percentage!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 01/14/2009

Yeah, like 1/5 a fraction. In all seriousness, yeah, that's about 20%.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 01/14/2009

That's 47k over 4 years with each year seeing ~225k recruits so roughly (very roughly) 5%.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 AM on 01/15/2009
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And this is the army which the neo-cons wanted to use to invade Iran?!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 01/13/2009

A new report out sites the 34% of Americans are obese. We are surprised that some recruits are fat?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 01/13/2009

Get them in shape, so they can get killed?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 01/13/2009

Compulsory national service might be a good thing in terms of health. Rigorous training does wonders for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 01/13/2009
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In Marine Corps Boot Camp 20 years ago, overweight members of the platoon wore sweatshirts with two extra red stripes painted on, to signify them as "fat" bodies (Drill Instructors words not mine), and this meant they weren't allowed to eat ANY meat or whole milk and a few other things for the 3-month duration of training. I remember one guy waking me up every night pleading with me to sneak him a piece of meat or a coffee cake or something, since he was only eating salads. He lost probably 25-30 lbs. Looking back, that diet was probably not very healthy at all. Also some were sent to PCP (physical conditioning platoon officially...pork chop platoon unofficially), to get extra help running, doing pull ups etc. Nobody left boot camp overweight. My own mother didn't recognize me because I'd gained about 15 or 20 lbs. None of the overweight guys were anywhere near as big as some of the kids I see walking around today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 01/13/2009
- CFAmick I'm a Fan of CFAmick 4 fans permalink

"Private Pyle" isn't all that fat by today's standards.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 01/14/2009
- ramal I'm a Fan of ramal 68 fans permalink
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The Armed Services of the United States should not be a dumping ground for every juvenile deliquent, high school drop out, or obese young person in the country who can do nothing else and as a last resort turns to the army for "three hots and a cot." The Armed Services does not exist as a social services organization to straighten out lifes or become a career objective for every looser in America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 01/13/2009
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So who are you going to get? Where are the recruits coming from? I hate to say it, but you're completely wrong. Quite a few "loosers" got themselves turned around by the Army, and I, for one, am happy about that. Like it or not, the Army has either (1) drawn ping pong balls with people's birthdays on them or (2) taken what they could get, which meant going into the poorer neighborhoods looking for anybody who could pass the ASVAB and the physical. Of the two choices, only (2) guarantees a reasonable pool of motivated recruits who want to be soldiers. Ask any retired drill sergeant; they did not like working with draftees because of the motivational problems created by a bunch of people who were jerked away from their beautiful, happy lives to play Army.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 01/13/2009
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I have to agree with you there. There's often talk of the "best and brightest" going into the military (I always get a chuckle out of that one), which of course is nonsense. The best and brightest go on to University if they can afford it. Not to say there aren't alot of really smart people in the military, there are...then there are those who aren't. The military entices young recruits with money for college (like me), adventure, a chance to get straightened out, etc. Some kids need no motivation to join. Right now, with an unpopular war, the idea of getting maimed for ones country isn't very popular right now...thus the relaxation of weight standards, age standards, educational standards, waivers for minor criminal offenses etc, to meet quota. I wouldn't want to be a recruiter right now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 01/14/2009

Actually, it is just that, for the most part.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 01/14/2009

Absolutely! There is a lot of truth to the old saying that the rich start wars while the poor are the ones who actually fight them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 01/14/2009
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The caption on the picture says the pair are working on a "two-minute" mile!

I can do a mile in a minute....in a car....on the highway....going about 65mph.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 01/13/2009

You can do a mile in a minute going exactly 60mph.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 01/13/2009

They probably meant to say "two-mile run" which is part of the Army Standardized Physical Fitness test. It also includes doing as many situps as you can in two minutes and as many pushups as you can do in two minutes.

The maximum run time for the 17-21 age group is for females is 18:54. Personally I always thought this was garbage when I was enlisted 10 years ago because even a fattie can basically walk fast and make that time. I always went by the standards for men & always felt that there should be only one standard, screw all that "gender-norming" stuff. All it does is breed and encourage a sense of inferiority in female soldiers. I figure a soldier is, first and foremost, a SOLDIER, and everything else (gender, race, etc) comes second.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 01/14/2009
- Atra I'm a Fan of Atra 10 fans permalink
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I think most of America has to look to thyroid problems, not just weight alone but fatigue, mental health and bad sleeping habits are a tell tale sign of hypothyroid. All the doctors Ive visited read my results incorrectly, and have medicated my symptoms with medication that doesn't work. Add to that, the amount of yeast, gluten and how much of the food you buy has soy in (bad news for thyroid suffers) all adds up to a diet of disaster.

Of course, stress and fast food don't help. The additives alone are enough to make you ill.

Atra

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 01/13/2009
- gmlaster I'm a Fan of gmlaster 35 fans permalink

I think you're right. I also think America needs to take a second look at the poor quality of our food supply. Republicans have been in control for most of the last 30 years and they've deregulated everything, including the food industry. When you consider the geneticall­y-engineer­ed produce and the steroids used to make our cows and pigs fatter, it's no wonder little girls are sprouting breasts and menstruating at 6 years old. Obama could drastically improve America's health just by requiring better labeling on our foods and stricter oversight by the FDA.

Consider the explosion in diabetes over the last 30 years. Hospitals are choking with patients suffering from diabetes-related comas, heart and kidney disease, strokes & blindness. It's no coincidence that as America got fatter, diabetes became an epidemic. Diabetes is an inability to metabolize sugar. The sugar in the foods we eat never gets used. It just lies there in the bloodstream collecting to toxic levels until the organs fail.

Sugar is in almost everything, which essentially makes diabetes an allergy to food. What changed in the American diet to cause this sudden spike? It's not that everyone suddenly became couch potatoes. It's because of processed food...putting sugar, salt, chemicals and other additives in food that nature never intended and that doesn't really need to be there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 01/13/2009
- CFAmick I'm a Fan of CFAmick 4 fans permalink

I think that there's no vitamins and minerals left in the soil of our overused farmland, which affects us only when we eat real food, not chemcials, in the first place. I also think this the cause of most physical and mental problems in the US.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 01/14/2009
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