Proposal Emerges For 10-Day Gaza Ceasefire

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SALAH NASRAWI and LEE KEATH | January 14, 2009 11:17 PM EST | AP

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Palestinian gather as firefighters try to control a fire after an Israeli airstrike in the Rafah refugee camp, southern Gaza Strip, early Thursday, Jan. 15, 2009. Israel showed no signs of slowing its bruising 19-day offensive against Gaza's Hamas rulers, striking dozens of targets on Wednesday. (AP Photo/Eyad Baba)

CAIRO, Egypt — Egypt and Hamas are close to a deal for a 10-day cease-fire between Israel and the Palestinian militant group in Gaza, where the death toll from the Israeli offensive exceeded 1,000, officials said Wednesday.

Egyptian and Hamas officials expressed optimism that an agreement for a temporary halt in fighting could be sealed soon and presented to Israel. But even if all sides sign on, further talks will be needed to resolve contentious disputes over policing Gaza's borders and ensure a longer-term truce.

"We're working with Hamas and we're working with the Israeli side. We hope to reach an outcome soon," Egyptian Foreign Ministry spokesman Hossam Zaki told the British Broadcasting Corp.

Nine Israeli human rights groups accused the army of endangering Gazan civilians and called for a war crimes investigation. The groups wrote to Israeli leaders that the Gaza campaign has left civilians with nowhere to flee. Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said Israel supports freedom of expression, even if an opinion "is not based on any solid evidence and even if it is tainted with political bias."

Guerrillas in Lebanon sent rockets crashing into northern Israel on Wednesday for the second time in a week, drawing an Israeli artillery barrage and threatening to drag the Jewish state into a second front.

Egyptian and Hamas officials held intensive talks in Cairo. Late Wednesday, Salah al-Bardawil, a Gaza-based Hamas official, stopped short of saying Hamas had accepted the Egyptian proposal. He told reporters that "we submitted our points of view" on the proposed deal, adding, "We hope that this Egyptian effort will succeed."

Ghazi Hamad, another Gaza-based Hamas official, told the BBC, "I am optimistic now because I think there is no other choice for us. ... This kind of agreement can be done now, and I think now there is good progress in Egypt. We hope that now Egypt will contact Israel and talk about all issues."

But there were signs Hamas' leadership-in-exile had reservations. Osama Hamdan, a leading Hamas official in Beirut, said there were still points Hamas had not agreed to. "We do not agree with the initiative as it stands now," he told Al-Jazeera TV.

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The contradictory comments were the latest sign of cracks between Hamas leaders under fire in Gaza and the leadership-in-exile, which is largely based in Syria and is seen as more hard-line. Hamas officials, however, insist that the movement is unified, and it was not clear if Hamdan's tougher tone was a negotiating tactic or a sign of division.

Israel launched its offensive Dec. 27 to halt years of Palestinian rocket attacks. It has said it will press forward until Hamas halts the rocket fire and receives guarantees that Hamas will stop smuggling weapons into Gaza through the porous Egyptian border.

The offensive has killed at least 1,025 Palestinians, about half of them civilians, including 300 children and teenagers, said Dr. Moaiya Hassanain of the Gaza Health Ministry. The toll included 68 Palestinians who were killed or died of wounds Wednesday. More than 4,500 Palestinians have been wounded, medical officials said. Thirteen Israelis have also been killed, four by rocket fire from Gaza.

Jakob Kellenberger, head of the international Red Cross, welcomed the three-hour daily lulls in the fighting set by Israelis to let groups send in aid and assist the wounded in Gaza, but he said more time was needed.

"You must have access at any time to people who are wounded," he said.

Israel showed no signs of slowing its bruising offensive as fighting raged early Thursday north and south of Gaza City, where explosions and gunfire could be heard. Hospital officials said seven people were killed _ four militants shortly after midnight in southern Gaza and three people an hour later in Gaza City.

On Wednesday, Israel struck some 60 targets. One airstrike hit an overcrowded cemetery, spreading human remains over a wide area. The army said the airstrike targeted a weapons cache hidden near the graveyard. And two firefighters were killed in an airstrike as they extinguished a blaze started by a shell in a residential building, Palestinian medics said.

Under the Egyptian proposal, Hamas would back off its demand that Israeli troops withdraw from Gaza and borders be opened immediately as part of any halt in fighting.

Instead, Israeli forces would remain in place during a 10-day cease-fire until details on border security are worked out, Egyptian and Palestinian officials close to the talks told The Associated Press. They spoke on condition of anonymity to provide details of the closed-door negotiations.

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert met late Wednesday with Defense Minister Ehud Barak and Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni to discuss the cease-fire efforts. In a sign of progress, Israel's chief negotiator, Amos Gilad, planned to fly to Egypt on Thursday to present Israel's stance, a senior defense official said. Gilad had put off the trip in recent days, saying the time was not yet ripe.

A senior Israeli official said it was far from certain that Israel would accept the deal. He said Israel welcomed many parts of the plan, but is concerned that Hamas will not respect a cease-fire as long as troops are in Gaza. The Israeli officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to the press. Israel has made clear that the Cairo talks are key to determining whether it widens its offensive.

Israeli leaders signaled that they have crippled Hamas to their satisfaction after 19 days of heavy bombardment and ground fighting, but were holding out for international guarantees that weapons would no longer be smuggled into Gaza.

The rocket fire from Lebanon caused no injuries, but sent residents scurrying to bomb shelters. There was no immediate claim of responsibility, and speculation focused on small Palestinian groups. Hezbollah, the Iranian-backed guerrilla group that fought a monthlong war with Israel in 2006, denied involvement in last week's attack.

In a Web audiotape Wednesday, al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden urged Muslims to launch a holy war against Israel. Iran's top leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, issued a religious opinion, or fatwa, forbidding the purchase of any Israeli goods or trade with Israeli companies.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon opened a visit to the Mideast on Wednesday, urging an immediate halt to the violence.

"It is intolerable that civilians bear the brunt of this conflict," he said after talks in Cairo with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. "Negotiations need to be intensified to provide arrangements and guarantees in order to sustain an endurable cease-fire and calm."

Ban is scheduled to arrive Thursday in Israel. He will also visit Jordan, the Palestinian-controlled West Bank, Turkey, Lebanon, Syria and Kuwait. His itinerary does not include a stop in Gaza because of the ongoing conflict.

In Paris, the French and German foreign ministers urged an immediate Gaza cease-fire, saying in a statement that such a measure would "provide space to address the humanitarian crisis."

Meanwhile, both Venezuela and Bolivia broke diplomatic ties with Israel over Gaza, a week after Venezuela expelled Israel's ambassador. Both Latin nations have cultivated ties to Iran, which supports Hamas.

If a cease-fire is reached, it would aim to give 10 days of quiet to work out the contentious issues of a longer truce, according to the framework outlined by the Egyptian and Palestinian officials close to the talks.

During that time, Egyptian, Turkish and other international mediators would try to negotiate an arrangement for policing Gaza's borders _ particularly those with Egypt _ to prevent weapons smuggling into the territory, the officials said.

This would likely entail some kind of international monitors on the Palestinian side of the border _ but the two sides remain far apart on who would make up the force, where they would be deployed and their mission.

Hamas has so far publicly resisted deploying international monitors and has demanded a role in policing the borders. Israel considers Hamas a terrorist group and has always rejected a policing role.

Only after a deal on border security has been reached would the crossings be opened and Israel withdraw, the officials said.

Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit underlined that all elements must fall into place _ the cease-fire, the security arrangements, and the eventual opening of border crossings and Israeli withdrawal. Otherwise, "we will end up with a truce but without reconciliation or with a truce that will be broken," he said.

Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah called for a meeting of Gulf countries on Gaza Thursday, while Qatar sought an emergency summit Friday of the Arab League. Arab countries have been struggling with how to address the crisis, with some pushing for a strong response against Israel and others willing to put more pressure on Hamas.

Syrian President Bashar Assad said in a BBC interview that Hamas is ready for a "sustainable cease-fire," and Syria is working for a truce, the first indication Syria was involved in the cease-fire effort. Assad expressed concern that the fighting could fuel extremism and terrorism around the Arab world.

Maj. Avital Leibovich, an Israeli military spokeswoman, said the army has destroyed 60 percent to 70 percent of the smuggling tunnels along the Egyptian border. She also said Israel has reduced Hamas' rocket capabilities by 90 percent, from about 200 a day before the offensive to 20 or 30 each day.

Hamas militants fired a phosphorus shell into Israel for the first time, hitting a field near the border town of Sderot but causing no casualties, said police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld.

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Associated Press writers Ibrahim Barzak in Gaza City, Amy Teibel in Jerusalem and Sarah El Deeb in Cairo contributed to this report.

CAIRO, Egypt — Egypt and Hamas are close to a deal for a 10-day cease-fire between Israel and the Palestinian militant group in Gaza, where the death toll from the Israeli offensive exceeded 1,0...
CAIRO, Egypt — Egypt and Hamas are close to a deal for a 10-day cease-fire between Israel and the Palestinian militant group in Gaza, where the death toll from the Israeli offensive exceeded 1,0...
 
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The culture of martyrdom is now visible through the face of Israel. The destruction of various UN buildings is not an accident. It is incredible that the Jewish state is not about settling border disputes with the whip of a pen or clever punditry, but with brutal force over something that never really occurred.

Hamas and Israel are both terrorist organizations. As were the Nazis that preceded them. 'Eugenics' is alive and well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

Zionism has been a major blockade in any substantial advancement, first put in concert by Prime Minister of Israel David Ben-Gurion. This is his legacy:

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/1/14/leading_israeli_scholar_avi_shlaim_israel

The other end is extremist who hide behind the mask of 'Allah' to support their cause through ignorance and hate among a fearful and destitute population who are aware that on their borders lies a fully-funded state who will them crush at will. In the U.S., the receipt of lobbyist monies from Aipac.. Exactly what is Egypt going to 'negotiate'?

But if the U.S. can do it in Iraq, why not Hamas? Al Qeada? Israel? At the center of this, a history unkind to all who oppose: http://shoentel.blogspot.com/2008/10/idol-2-idle-song-debut.html

And some other dynamics that need understanding:

www.ifamericansknew.com

For all, it comes down to 'Our Lives take Priority Over Yours'. Nice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 01/15/2009

I didn't know Khaled Mashaal is posting here. Welcome, dude.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 01/16/2009

Really hope that Israeli supporters can stop bringing false reasoning with no proof while condemning Hamas for what Israeli did first...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 01/15/2009

Israel constantly violates ceasefires first and then blames Hamas for daring to fight back. Just read:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/04/israel-gaza-hamas-hidden-agenda

"...the truce was thrown into jeopardy in November when the Israeli military killed six Hamas gunmen in a raid on Gaza... Between June 2007 and June 2008, Israeli attacks killed 68 Palestinian children and young people in Gaza...

In February, an Israeli missile killed four boys, aged eight to 14, playing football in the street in Jabalia...Even during the ceasefire, Israel killed 22 people in Gaza, including two children and a woman...

Israel did not end the siege that was wrecking the economy and causing desperate shortages of food, fuel and medicine... Yossi Alpher, a former Israeli Mossad official said the blockade of Gaza is... collective punishment, humanitarian suffering..."

Israeli helicopters fire into Gaza - residents. 7/4/2007
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/070406/3/47oky.html

"...On Monday, Israeli Defence Minister Amir Peretz authorised the army to carry out limited operations just inside Gaza against militants, despite a cease-fire agreement reached between Israel and the Palestinians in November...."

Israel Responded to an Unprovoked Attack by Hizbullah, Right? Wrong
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0808-23.htm

"...The United Nations... in Lebanon (Unifil) reports that Israeli aircraft crossed the line "on an almost daily basis" between 2001 and 2003, and "persistently" until 2006. These incursions "caused great concern to the civilian population... "

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 01/15/2009
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I was watching Democracy Now! -- an alternative satellite television news program -- and their guest today was Professor Avi Shlaim, of Oxford University, who the claimed to be a foremost expert on the history of the ongoing middle east crisis. Now what I'm going to say is the result of notes that I took during the program, and hopefully have gotten the story, as he told it straight.

According to Dr. Shlaim, as of the beginning of the cease-fire, Israel was supposed to lift the blockade of Hamas as per agreement—they never did. So, the rockets continued—only at thee rate of three rockets per month (average), instead of an average of 167 per month before the cease fire. According to Dr. Shlaim, on November 4, 2008, before the end of the cease-fire, the IDA launched a raid into Gaza, killing some Hamas personnel.

Now that scenario tells me that Israel is at least as responsible, if not more so, for the present war. But our Congress, and Hillary Clinton—the future Secretary of State—and many notable politicians—such as Mayor Bloomberg—are blaming Hamas 100%. To me—barring some people's tendency to respond for religious and ethnic reasons—rather than rationality—this kind of response seems like the exact same mistake as when they voted to give Bush the authority to invaded Iraq.

I find this quite troubling that our elected representatives can no more make a rational decision based on evidence, the they did when the passed the Patriot Act without even reading it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 01/15/2009
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 01/15/2009

Thanks for the cogent and well-cited post.
Please do post this elsewhere as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 01/15/2009
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 01/15/2009
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What's the point of a 10-day ceasefire if Hamas is just going to pick up the fight again at the end of those ten days? I hate war... but I'm totally perplexed on this one. I also don't see why so many people side with Palestinians. I'm for peace... but I also believe that you can't allow a neighboring country to fire rockets at you unchallenged. The fact is Hamas has been firing these rockets at Israel for years. Where were all the human rights protesters then? Hamas has slapped Israel in the face for a long time, and now that Israel finally decides to slap back... its an atrocity? Can someone please explain this to me?

If Mexico were firing rockets into Texas... would we be expected to just take it and hope that Mexico turns to diplomacy?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 01/15/2009
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The world may consider Hamas terr0rists, but that doesn't mean libs can't support them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 01/15/2009
- SERGIOUK I'm a Fan of SERGIOUK 9 fans permalink

The world now sees Israel as a terrorist state so what are you supporting them for rogerze?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 01/15/2009
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I don't support any group who is violently intolerant of other people. If Israel were firing rockets into Gaza everyday for years... I would support Gaza's right to retaliate and I would hope the whole world would support that cause. But in this case, Gaza elected Hamas precisely because they were violently intolerant of Israel, and they chose to fire rockets into Israel everyday... that's why I support Israel's right to retaliate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 01/15/2009
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"The World" doesnt conside Hamas "terrorists". The world considers the US and Isreal terrorists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 01/15/2009
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A terrorist is just a country without an Air Force.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 01/15/2009

when the IRA would launch attacks in the UK, bomb them, the civilized UK did not go a bombarded them and killed children and women by the thousands!
Israel response is simply cruel and disproportionate!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 01/15/2009
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The IRA is nothing like Hamas... they fought the UK face to face with rifles in the streets of Dublin. Most even wore uniforms so they weren't confused with innocent civilians.

Hamas purposefully dresses in civilian attire so they can't be identified clearly, they launch rockets from their rooftops and then seek shelter in buildings where there are alot of woman and children. They're essentially trying to use woman and children as a shields.

If back in 1920, we had rockets available as they are today, and the IRA were launching them from their homes, then surrounding themselves with their wives and children in hopes that the UK wouldn't dare fire on them, I do

If Hamas would be willing to stop hiding in apartment buildings, and in extremely populated neighborhoods and come out and fight face to face... then woman and children wouldn't be in danger.

Which is more cruel... the fact that Israel is defending itself from daily rocket attacks... or the fact that Hamas uses innocent woman and children as a shield?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 01/15/2009
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If you read your history,which obviously you havnt ,then you would know that the Atrocities perpetrated by Israel against the Palestinians far far outweigh tin-pot missiles fired into Israel. That is just the excuse to slaughter Palestinian men women and children. There is no justification in what you say and you should be ashamed of yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 01/15/2009
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I'm not ashamed... you're being irrational.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 01/15/2009
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If mexico was being sadisticly occupied by America, its women stripsearched, its water and land constantly being annexed, its airspace and coastline blocked by the US, its people imprisoned in their tens of thousands, children and all - and if periodic massacres were to take place then Im sure mexico would be well within their rights to lob a few rockets over at the states.

Put it another way: If Mexico took over the US would you resist peacefully or violently?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 01/15/2009

The Mexico analogy is inaccurate.

The US doesn't control Mexico's water, gas, and electric. The US doesn't control the flow of food and medical supplies to Mexico. Mexico is a sovereign nation with its own resources.

The right of self defense and the retaliation for rocket launches is a red herring and Israel's version of the US's WMD justification for invading Iraq.

Look at this objectively: Israel had to have planned this invasion for months - they knew where the tunnels were. They knew where the munitions were stored. They knew where Hamas combatants lived and operated from.

The timing of the invasion has more to do with Israel's elections than the few rockets launched after the cease-fire expired. Think about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 01/15/2009
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Hamas fired rockets into Israel. That is a fact. Just as it is factual that Israel had both the right and the obligation to stop the attacks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 01/15/2009

I don't get the Israelie, argument the settlers (Israelies) steal Palestinian territory, rightly the Palestinians are not happy about this, they vote in Hamas who promise to return their homes and land to them. The Israelies say this is not your land any more, we occupy it and it is now ours. Rightly this would upset any nation to the point they take up arms to retrieve their land. I believe most Americans would support this stance only if the news media told them the truth without bias. Sadly the American nation is so brainwashed with propagand they do not know the truth of this. It has been and still is to this day a land grab by the Israelie people with the support of the USA.

What is happenning in Gaza is genocide authored by Israel and the USA. Shame on Israel and America.

The rest of the world does not support this atrocity and war crime against the Palestinian people.

I have a Palestinian friend who still has the keys to her house her house was stolen from her and is now occupied by a Jewish family

Georgina UK

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 01/15/2009
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Your point about stolen land is very naive.

I think most people know how the world works.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 01/15/2009

Yes we know how the world works, Israel is still in this decade a COLONIALIST STATE, we must end that abuse

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 01/15/2009

Ah you are so reasonable, I 'spect when you get home at night and find me occupying you house having turfed out your partner, children, dog an all, you won't mind if I simply tell you that is the way world works now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 01/15/2009

The IRA my friend was a terrorist org as well, I disliked them, BUT never the UK went and killed women and children by thousands! and the world shut up!, as a matter of fact on Sunday Bloody Sunday, what became then a song, only a few were killed and the world cryed outrage and the UK stopped! we need to Stop religius fanaticts ON BOTH SIDES! this is NOT the middle ages!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 01/15/2009
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True - I don't recall the RAF carpet bombing Belfast in the 1980s.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 01/15/2009

Please America, spread the message!

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/1/14/leading_israeli_scholar_avi_shlaim_israel

We Jews are many who want PEACE, we are many who are fed up with the extreme right in Israel who manipulates power, who is corrupt! who are in fact European jews, who came and disrrupted the peace that Jews and Arabs had for centuries in those very same lands, we Arabs and Jews were living in Peace until this extremist came to power! HELP! we are many!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 AM on 01/15/2009
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Both sides need to recognize each other's rights to exist ... you'd think after 3000 years of these mass/a/cures both sides would tire of w/ar?

Irony alert - Hamas (Islam) & Israel (Je/wish) BOTH BELIEVE IN THE SAME GOD ... I am surprised God hasn't told them (his children) to stop the BS fighting and go to their rooms until they can behave.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 AM on 01/15/2009

Keepemhonest I agree 100%
We are MANY , MANY that are denouncing the extremists on BOTH sides, if we don't denounce BOTH sides this will persist, it is a simple as two kids fighting, if you punish one but congratulate the other one! well the other one will think next fight is his turn to be congratulated! and the same ztupid fight continues. No one is better, no one is chosen, we need to get over our religius fanatisism

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 AM on 01/15/2009
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They're both too deep into the cycle of attack-rev­enge-repea­t.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 AM on 01/15/2009
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What a joke....I srael is a sovereign state and Palestine, especially under the rule of a terr0rist organization, is not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 AM on 01/15/2009
- SERGIOUK I'm a Fan of SERGIOUK 9 fans permalink

Israel is a terrorist rogue state funded by the USA. I have a feeling after this debacle Israel will have its wings clipped in more ways than one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 AM on 01/15/2009
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Well that just goes to show what Israel's commitment to peaceful coexistence really adds up to. Which is to say, nothing.

Palestine exists as per UN resolution -- among those resolutions Israel is in flagrant violation of almost every one of them that mentions it by name (and many that do not). Maybe those countries that are sending away their Israeli ambassadors have the right idea -- if Israel can't respect international law, maybe its time to revoke their seat on the UN.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 01/15/2009

hatred hatred hatred, here goes the kid "I am better, I get more, I exist you don't" please man, that is not what GOD says, no god likes your ways of HATRED! is rather the somber side that has won your mind, your non sharing your I am chosen you are not, it is Middle ages thinking! ENOUGH!

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Rogerze - Don't know where you got your false idea - but - thanks to George W. Bush Palestine held ELECTIONS and voted in Hamas.... Palestine IS a sovereign state and they deserve the exact same thing Israel does ... to be accepted as having the "right" to exist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 01/15/2009
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Why dont you recognise the right of palestine to exist?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 01/15/2009

My bad neighbor, we agree on that, comes and kills my cat and dog... In response I grab a machine gun kill all of his kids injure the wife and burn his house down!

People, humanity! this is simply NOT proportionate! As Sarkozy the French president, who is HALF JEW, said this is a total abuse of force...

Like this brilliant Israeli and! veteran of the Israeli army scholar says it:

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/1/14/leading_israeli_scholar_avi_shlaim_israel

another great link by many US PHDs, that are specking up:

www.ifamericansknew.com

A brilliant book, as well written by a Jew:

"THE ISRAEL LOBBY and US FOREIGN POLICY
denounces how the US is simply used and money goes to this absurd war between cousins that simply are one and the same, full of hatred

I am a Jew, but I am on of MANY who are speaking up against this brutal force, this is done by our extremist right wing government, they are as dirty as Bush Cheney and we must Change them!

CHANGE=PEACE it was done here in America it needs to be done in the middle east.

we need a change! our religions, both are hostage, kidnaped by extreme wingers that do NOT follow at all! the word of god

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 AM on 01/15/2009
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Keep this up and I might have to become a fan!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 01/15/2009
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A report by BBC News today went into a hospital in Egypt where many children from Gaza had been evacuated due to the severe nature of their wounds. Doctors said it appeared that quite a number of children had been shot at close range in the head. Thats pretty disturbing and a full inquiry needs to be set up after this war has ended and the perpetrators brought to justice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 AM on 01/15/2009
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Do you have the link?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 01/15/2009

The UN is outraged that Israel bombarded a site where they protect children!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28651944/

enough of the Bullying tactics

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 AM on 01/15/2009

Both sides live in the middle ages, drowned by religion , fanatics! that is why they fight!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 AM on 01/15/2009
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If Hamas truly cared about the warfare of its people, and if most of the anti-Israel folks here REALLY cared about "peace," then the world would encourage Hamas to renounce violence, renounce racism, and press it to recognize Israel and negotiate. The Palestinians would reject violence as a means of dealing with grievances and work to secure a free nation. They would invest their time and energy in CREATING, rather than destroying...and Israel and the world would give them money and means to do so, embracing a peaceful new nation. The cameras of the world would be watching: Schools, hospitals, businesses, and developing a better life for themselves and their children would replace "martyrdom" and violent jihad as viable goals. Palestinian children would no longer be indoctrinated in hatred or used as pawns by adults. A peaceful, prosperous Palestine, free of bombs and guns and violence....it's not impossible.
Now. Let's see if THIS comment gets posted, as balance to all the anti-Israel comments I'm reading here....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 AM on 01/15/2009

My bad neighbor, we agree on that, comes and kills my cat and dog... In response I grab a machine gun kill all of his kids injure the wife and burn his house down!

People, humanity! this is simply NOT proportionate! As Sarkozy the French president, who is HALF JEW, said this is a total abuse of force...

Like this brilliant Israeli and! veteran of the Israeli army scholar says it:

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/1/14/leading_israeli_scholar_avi_shlaim_israel

another great link by many US PHDs, that are specking up:

www.ifamericansknew.com

A brilliant book, as well written by a Jew:

"THE ISRAEL LOBBY and US FOREIGN POLICY
denounces how the US is simply used and money goes to this absurd war between cousins that simply are one and the same, full of hatred

I am a Jew, but I am on of MANY who are speaking up against this brutal force, this is done by our extremist right wing government, they are as dirty as Bush Cheney and we must Change them!

CHANGE=PEACE it was done here in America it needs to be done in the middle east.

we need a change! our religions, both are hostage, kidnaped by extreme wingers that do NOT follow at all! the word of GOD.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 AM on 01/15/2009
- SERGIOUK I'm a Fan of SERGIOUK 9 fans permalink

Im glad to see and hear a sane Jewish voice. I am sure there are many more like you NYCdowntown. If the English Govenment started commiting mass slaughter, just because I am English doesnt mean I should condone such barbarity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 AM on 01/15/2009
- Wisdo I'm a Fan of Wisdo 39 fans permalink

"A peaceful, prosperous Palestine, free of bombs and guns and violence....it's not impossible. "

Well its not possible while the US continues to veto every single proposal to implement this.

Why doesnt Israel renoubce violence, renounce racisim, recognize Palestine and negotiate?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 01/15/2009
- GrainOSand I'm a Fan of GrainOSand 269 fans permalink
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Anti-war, anti-suffering, anti-killing, anti-obfuscation of the truth to serve a selfish purpose at a tremendous cost in life lost, hostilities enflamed, and collective future threatened...should never be confused with anti-Semitic. People who know their heart will never entertain or cower from such a flimsy attempt at slight-of-hand or intended deflection.

Hamas is guilty of error in their approach to dissent of tyranny in that they write checks of protest that they cannot cash. Their penalty for such misguided bluster is death to innocents by the hand of those who seek to call Hamas on their acts of defiance. If you cannot defeat an enemy militarily why engage, or if you are not able to kill a bear do not throw rocks at it...find some other way. MLK chose non-violence because it was right and because he knew armed struggle would leave many dead and not advance the cause. If (so-called) Black America had approached the tyranny of America through armed struggle...I cannot say what America would be today...but it would be different. I make no plea for docility as a response to oppression, but I do make a plea for sanity and protecting innocents. I can understand the notion that the only way to draw attention to the plight of the Palestinian people is to make their plight an international news story, but one thousand dead is a heavy price to pay to get the word out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 AM on 01/15/2009
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