Pentagon Official: 9/11 Suspect Was Tortured

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ANNE GEARAN | January 14, 2009 06:23 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — The Bush administration maintained Wednesday that the U.S. does not torture prisoners despite a claim to the contrary from the military judge in charge of trying Guantanamo Bay detainees.

Susan. J. Crawford is the top Bush administration official overseeing the military trials of terrorist suspects held at the U.S. prison in Cuba. She told The Washington Post that the United States tortured a Saudi man in 2002. The legal implications of the treatment prevented her from bringing him to trial, Crawford said.

The case of Mohammed al-Qahtani, whom officials have claimed was to have been the "20th hijacker" on 9/11, illustrates the legal and logistical trouble ahead for President-elect Barack Obama, who plans to order the closure of the stigmatized prison his first week on the job.

"We tortured Qahtani," Crawford said, making her the first senior Bush administration official to say that aggressive interrogation techniques had crossed the line.

"His treatment met the legal definition of torture, and that's why I did not refer the case" for prosecution, she said.

Al-Qahtani in October 2006 recanted a confession he said he made after he was tortured and humiliated at Guantanamo.

The alleged torture, which he detailed in a written statement, included being beaten, restrained for long periods in uncomfortable positions, threatened with dogs, exposed to loud music and freezing temperatures and stripped nude in front of female personnel.

Through a spokeswoman, Crawford declined a request for an interview Wednesday with The Associated Press.

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Crawford was named to her job by Defense Secretary Robert Gates in February 2007.

White House press secretary Dana Perino defended the president's anti-terrorism policy, without directly addressing Crawford's assessment.

"Let me just make sure it's clear _ and I'll say it on the record one more time _ that it has never been the policy of this president or this administration to torture," Perino said.

Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman also had no direct comment on Crawford's comments as quoted in the newspaper's Wednesday editions.

"We have always taken allegations of abuse seriously," Whitman said. "We investigate all allegations, all credible allegations, of abuse," and have done some dozen investigations of interrogation methods, Whitman said.

The investigations concluded that special interrogations techniques briefly used for a small number of detainees shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks were legal at the time, Whitman said. That includes techniques used on al-Qahtani in 2002, he said.

Whitman would not speculate on whether Crawford's action in the al-Qahtani case has any effect on other cases or the whole of the Bush administration legal structure for so-called enemy combatants.

Obama is expected to change that structure as part of a promised overhaul of anti-terrorism policies that brought the Bush administration repeated reversals in federal court and that other countries have called out of bounds.

Obama has said he will close the Navy prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where al-Qahtani is held. He has not said what he will do with the estimated 250 terror suspects or others housed there, but his comments suggest at least some could be tried in U.S. civilian courts.

Information collected under torture would be tainted and probably unusable in U.S. courts.

It's unlikely that Guantanamo could be closed quickly, as Obama acknowledged Sunday.

"It is more difficult than I think a lot of people realize," he said on ABC's "This Week" program.

"We are going to get it done, but part of the challenge that you have is that you have a bunch of folks that have been detained, many of whom may be very dangerous, who have not been put on trial or have not gone through some adjudication. And some of the evidence against them may be tainted, even though it's true."

About 520 Guantanamo detainees have been released from custody or transferred to prisons elsewhere in the world.

WASHINGTON — The Bush administration maintained Wednesday that the U.S. does not torture prisoners despite a claim to the contrary from the military judge in charge of trying Guantanamo Bay deta...
WASHINGTON — The Bush administration maintained Wednesday that the U.S. does not torture prisoners despite a claim to the contrary from the military judge in charge of trying Guantanamo Bay deta...
 
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I bet they were torturing him in Christ's name.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 01/15/2009
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I am actually nauseated! Isn't torture against international law, never mind US law?? WTF, people???? Do we subscribe to Geneva Conventions or not? I am so ashamed of the things my government has done in my name...and yours! And it looks like they have shot themselves in the foot on this case! Now this terrorist CANNOT be tried!

How dare Bush and Cheney smirk and preen for the cameras, admitting "enhanced interrogation techniques" to "keep us safe"! The arrogance is stunning!

Our new president can help us to regain the moral high ground by prosecuting these criminals, beginning Jan. 21st! God help this country if he does not!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 01/14/2009

How sad that Susan has lost her moral compass.

We don't torture.

When German and Japanese soldiers during World War 2 waterboarded prisoners that was torture.
When we do it, it is not.

When Saddam runs a prison at Abu Ghraib and tortures prisoners, that is not only torture but a human rights abomination. When we do it, it is just a few "bad apples".

When North Korea deprives US POWs of sleep and uses other methods to dis orient them, that is the most insidious form of torture. When we do it, it is "sleep deprivation techniques" and "stress positions".

There is a clear pattern here, Susan.

It is the identity of the actor and not the action itself that determines morality.

This is a well recognized position. Leon Trotsky came to the same conclusion regarding Communists in his "Their Morals and Ours".

When you do the Lord's work (or History's), you can do no wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 01/14/2009

Is America the only country Western country that tortures prisoners of war?
(I believe we are the only Western country that has a death penalty...)
Or does everyone just ship them to America for us to deal with..
And I wonder what will happen to the prisoners at Guantanamo if and when its shut down.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 01/14/2009

I just answered my own question....concidering we really are the only country in this war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 01/14/2009

Terrorists are not considered "Prisoners of War."

Except by liberals. They don't consider terrorists "terrorists." They are innocent bystanders.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 01/14/2009
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Dana Perino needs to swallow dirt right along with the criminals she works for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 01/14/2009

Bush, Cheney and significant chunks of their administration belong in the Hague on trial for war crimes. That should be the first order of business of the new administration. What these people did was shameful, despicable and truly un-American.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 01/14/2009

To be brutally honest, only cowards torture other human beings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 01/14/2009
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That could be why it is so popular with Republicans

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 01/14/2009

And behead them. (see Daniel Pearl)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 01/14/2009

Or use women and children as human shields. (see Hamas terrorists)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 01/14/2009

You're speaking of Al Qaeda and Hamas, no doubt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 01/14/2009

If al Qaida and Hamas torture it is criminal and barbaric and if we torture - does that make it right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 AM on 01/15/2009

I'd like to take this opportunity to turn myself in to whatever authority is left in America. I (and YOU) need to be arrested and prosecuted under the USA PATRIOT Act for providing financial aid to terrorists or those who support terrorism. You see, I pay taxes to the US Government, and our Failure In Chief uses that money to torture people after kidnapping them. This is personal terrorism (the use of terror/fear as a means of coersion). So, quickly Mr. Bush, round up the entire country (except those that don't pay taxes), including yourself, and we will have the trial of the century. I'm sure the conservative owned media would love to cover that for the next two years, and they would be able to embed reporters among the detainees. They could spin it as a return to transparency. Of course the economy would tank, but hey, we could all become cheap prison labor, so maybe the corporations could stop outsourcing jobs to cheap labor countries.
If this doesn't sound good, then maybe we could just arrest the administration who dragged us into this mess by telling us it was inevitable and that it didn't matter what we or the world thinks. If the personal terrorism doesn't stick, we could always prosecute them for giving $11-13 billion to the Pakistani ISI who then redistributed American tax money to groups like Lashkar-e-taiba (trained by the CIA) and others who use terrorist tactics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 01/14/2009

I agree and recommend the ultimate punishment for your crimes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 01/14/2009

False confessions, false accusations, and terror.

That's all torture is good for.

How many times, from how many actual negotiators, does it take for brutal minded folks to understand:

Torture does not get advance information.

Torture WILL NOT stop the "ticking bomb".

"24" is Jack Bauer's paranoid schizophrenic delusion,

like "A Beautiful Mind".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 01/14/2009

Undocumented conjecture. Please provide your documented proof.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 01/14/2009

There has been ample reporting of what Negotiators know works.

Where were you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 01/14/2009
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E.g., Toliver, Raymond F. (1997). The interrogator: The story of Hans-Joachim Scharff, master interrogator of the Luftwaffe. Atglen, PA: Schiffer.


Watanabe, Shoichi, & Yokota, Kaeko. (1999). Psychological factors that faciliate confession to denying suspects [Abstract, on-line]. Reports of the National Research Institute of Police Science, 40 (1), 37-47.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0527/p02s01-usmi.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanns_Scharff

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/jscope/arrigo03.htm

http://www.station131.co.uk/55th/Personal%20Accounts%20General.htm#The%20Greifswald%20Incident

Human history is the documentation, learn it or repeat it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 01/14/2009


It appears that Michale has been able to clone himself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 AM on 01/15/2009

"Writing under the pseudonym Matthew Alexander, a former special intelligence operations officer, who led an interrogations team in Iraq two years ago, has written a stunning op-ed in the Washington Post called "I'm Still Tortured by What I Saw in Iraq." In it, he details his direct experience with torture practices put into effect in Iraq in 2006. He conducted more than 300 interrogations and supervised more than a thousand and was awarded a Bronze Star for his achievements in Iraq."

"In the article, he says torture techniques used in Iraq consistently failed to produce actionable intelligence and that methods outlined in the U.S. Army Field Manual, which rest on confidence building, consistently worked and gave the interrogators access to critical information."

"He goes on to say that the number of Americans killed in Iraq because of the U.S. military's use of torture is more than 3,000. He writes: "It's no exaggeration to say that at least half of our losses and casualties in [Iraq] have come at the hands of foreigners who joined the fray because of our program of detainee abuse. The number of U.S. soldiers who have died because of our torture policy will never be definitively known, but it is fair to say that it is close to the number of lives lost on Sept. 11, 2001.

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/109792/former_u.s._interrogator:_torture_policy_has_led_to_more_deaths_than_9_11_attacks/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 AM on 01/15/2009

Israel is a state that was created by terrorism, from the bombing of the King David Hotel, to the deliberate spreading of lies and rumors that caused Palestinians to flee an onslaught of Israeli settlers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 01/14/2009

You appear to be ignoring the fact that most of the arab population of 1948 Israel left their homes/land because the leaders of (Trans)Jordan, Egypt, Syria & Iraq instructed them to leave, in order that the arab armies could more efficiently wipe out the Jews. The only arabs who arguably were forced to leave by Israel, did so because they had fought with the arab armies and were, therefore, security risks to the nascent state. Historical facts, obviously, can be inconvenient.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 01/14/2009

Acid sprayed in the faces of little girls going to school (Afganistan). . . public executions by stoning (Iran) . . . rockets fired at schools (Gaza) . . . wholesale slaughter of non-muslims only because they are non-muslims (thoughout North African continent) . . . suicide bombers (Everywhere!) . . . and you all get so worked up about harsh, non-deadly interrogation techniques applied to a handful of infinitely dangerous individuals????
Let me say that I simply want my government to be honest and tell us the truth about what they are doing . . . it may not be nice . . . but clearly it needs to be done . . . given the people we are dealing with!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 01/14/2009
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yeah we are too nice over here and we always want fair, non-violent treatment of ppl who clearly doesn't deserve it. it's like when peta had their lil "save the cockroaches" episode. somethings are just over doing it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 01/14/2009

But where do you draw the line between 'doesn't deserve' and 'deserves'? Especially when they haven't been tried in a legal context or a court?

Furthermore, it's been proved many times that torture isn't a reliable way of obtaining information or a confession. It tends to lead the person to make a false confession or false details, just to stop being tortured.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 01/14/2009

"An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind."

The horrific incidents you cite do not justify the US government getting on board the Brutality Bandwagon. Torturing prisoners does not produce information useful for the interrogators, it merely causes human suffering.

Are you really content to just gather up some "suspects" and make them hurt? Are we really all about truth and justice, or just "getting even"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 01/14/2009
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Because bad guys are violent, does that make it ok for us to to be equally violent too? When did we suscribe to the policy that governs totalitarian states and/or criminals that the " ends justify the means"? Does the Bill of Rights mean anything?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 01/14/2009
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When did we suscribe to the policy that governs totalitarian states and/or criminals that the " ends justify the means"?

Since the inception of America as a colony and then as a nation.

Does the Bill of Rights mean anything?

No. It's a sop to be avoided, evaded, legislated and set-off like a smoke bomb when distraction is the order of the day...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 01/14/2009
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Men kidnapped from their homes in the middle of the night and tortured to death (USA), women and children raped and slaughtered (USA), 150,000 innocents killed or wounded by missile strikes (USA)...

It may not be nice, but clearly it needs to be done...given the people we are dealing with.

/sarcasm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 01/14/2009
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The US is supposed to be better then that.

1) Torture has been proven to give unreliable intelligence. They will tell you whatever it takes to get you to stop torturing them.

2) It costs us dearly on the international stage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 01/14/2009

Oh, noooooo! Not the sacred "international stage?"

Any-ting but dat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 01/14/2009

It is wise to be circumspect about these kinds of allegations. There is an impulse to give our enemies the benefit of the doubt, and there is a rush to condemn our own military. It is interesting to do a little research. In this Time article from 2005---

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1071284,00.html

--- it is reported a log was kept of this individual's activities and treatment in detention, a detailed log. If the administration was authorizing illegal treatment defined as torture, why would they keep a detailed log? It has been admitted three individuals were waterboarded. That revealed useful intelligence saving thousands of lives. You may agree or disagree about whether or not waterboarding amounts to torture, but you cannot deny that our self-defense measures these last seven years have prevented numerous terror attacks both at home and abroad. Anyone who minimizes the threat of Al Qaeda and related groups to focus on minutiae invites disaster. Obama is now directly threated by Osama, and the new administration's response is to hamstring our CIA and military, close Gitmo, and suggest talks with Iran and Hamas? When a nuclear weapon devastates an American city, will anyone be found wringing their hands because al-Qahtani was waterboarded?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 01/14/2009

Dude you are sadly delussional. What useful intelligence? What thousands of lives? The few phoney "terrorist plots" that were discovered since 9/11 on US soil have been debunked.

What part of the golden rule did you not learn when you were raised?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 AM on 01/15/2009

So when do we get to see Rummy and Cheney and Bush on trial In Den Hag for war crimes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 01/14/2009
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Right after Kissinger...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 01/14/2009

May god have mercy on this terr0rists sole.

no one else should.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 01/14/2009
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Allah will see to his needs...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 01/14/2009
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that would be "soul" not sole.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 01/14/2009
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Sole being a camoflaged fish that lives on the bottom of the ocean and has two eyes on one side of his head and none on the other. A cousin to a flounder as in bush administration. Does this apply?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 01/14/2009

I assume that is Bush's soul you are referring to...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 01/14/2009

Sounds to me like the international war crimes tribunal has a case against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the Military officers and enlisted that carried out the torture.

PROSECUTE THE CRIMINAL BUSH ADMINISTRATION.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 01/14/2009
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