Obama Ready To Ban Harsh Interrogations

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LARA JAKES and PAMELA HESS | January 16, 2009 09:36 PM EST | AP

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President-elect Barack Obama makes remarks, accompanied by Vice President-elect Joe Biden and Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., both not pictured, about their recent trip to Afghanistan, Iraq, Kuwait and Pakistan, Wednesday, Jan. 14, 2009, at Obama's transition office in Washington. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)

WASHINGTON — President-elect Barack Obama is preparing to prohibit the use of waterboarding and harsh interrogation techniques by ordering the CIA to follow military rules for questioning prisoners, according to two U.S. officials familiar with drafts of the plans. Still under debate is whether to include a loophole that would allow exceptions in extraordinary cases.

The proposal Obama is considering would require all CIA interrogators to follow conduct outlined in the U.S. Army Field Manual, the officials said. The plans would also have the effect of shutting down secret "black site" prisons around the world where the CIA has questioned terror suspects _ with all future interrogations taking place inside American military facilities.

However, Obama's changes may not be absolute. His advisers are considering adding a classified loophole to the rules that could allow the CIA to use some interrogation methods not specifically authorized by the Pentagon, the officials said, although the intent is not to use that as an opening for possible use of waterboarding.

The new rules would abandon a part of President George W. Bush's counterterrorism policy that has been condemned internationally. Bush has defended his policies by pointing to the fact that the nation has gone more than seven years without another terrorist attack on its soil.

Obama spokeswoman Brooke Anderson did not have an immediate comment Friday about the drafted plans, which the two officials discussed only on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to comment publicly.

No final decisions have been made about how to adjust the government's interrogation standards. Obama is still weighing whether to alter interrogation policy by executive order during his first days in office or working with Congress through legislation.

The plans do not specifically address the issue of extraordinary rendition, the policy of transferring foreign terrorism suspects to third countries without court approval.

In private Capitol Hill meetings, CIA Director nominee Leon Panetta and Director of National Intelligence designate Dennis Blair have said Obama wants a single set of rules for interrogations. And in Senate testimony Thursday, Attorney General nominee Eric Holder called the Army manual "a good place to start."

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The 384-page Army manual, last updated in September 2006, is a publicly available document. It authorizes 19 interrogation methods used to question prisoners, including one allowing a detainee to be isolated from other inmates in some cases. The manual explicitly prohibits threats, coercion, physical abuse and waterboarding, which creates the sensation of drowning. Holder termed waterboarding a form of torture on Thursday.

The CIA also banned waterboarding in 2006 but otherwise has been secretive about how it conducts interrogations. In the past, its methods are believed to have included sleep deprivation and disorientation, stress positions and exposing prisoners to uncomfortable cold or heat for long periods. It's also believed that some prisoners have been forced to sit in cramped spaces with bugs, snakes, rats or other vermin as a scare tactic.

Waterboarding has been traced back hundreds of years and is condemned by nations worldwide. U.S. officials waterboarded at least three top al-Qaida operatives _ including 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed _ in 2002 and 2003 because of fears that more attacks were imminent.

The Army manual can be amended by the military. It is unclear whether the CIA would be held to the one published in 2006 or future versions.

For Obama, who repeatedly insisted during the 2008 presidential campaign and the transition period that "America doesn't torture," a classified loophole would allow him to follow through on his promise to end harsh interrogations while retaining a full range of presidential options in conducting the war against terrorism.

The proposed loophole, which could come in the form of a classified annex to the manual, is designed to satisfy intelligence experts who fear that an outright ban of so-called enhanced interrogation techniques would limit the government in obtaining threat information that could save American lives. It would also preserve Obama's flexibility to authorize any interrogation tactics he might deem necessary for national security.

However, such a move would frustrate Senate Democrats and human rights, retired military and religious groups that have pressed for a government-wide prohibition on methods they describe as torture.

Glenn Sulmasy, an international law professor at the U.S. Coast Guard Academy in New London, Conn., said Obama can and should preserve his executive authority to order aggressive interrogations when necessary. But he said that should be done on a case-by-case basis and not become a broad policy.

"There are some coercive techniques that he might employ on a ticking time bomb scenario, but he'll distinguish himself by making it clear that the presumption under the law is that there is no torture," Sulmasy said Friday.

Critics, however, said Obama cannot claim to ban torture if it's not clear what interrogation methods will be allowed.

"That would not be good," said the Rev. Richard Killmer, executive director of the National Religious Campaign Against Torture. "We don't need to be able to torture and we don't need to engage in any interrogation techniques that are not humane. And unless we have absolute clarity that these interrogation techniques will not be used, they are not going to be able to say that."

Speaking with reporters Thursday, outgoing CIA Director Michael Hayden said harsh interrogation tactics have been needed to get information from the most hardened terror suspects. He and some other U.S. intelligence officials oppose limiting the CIA to the Army manual, which was written specifically for military interrogations and may not be effective on the most dangerous detainees.

"It is an honest discussion to talk about what techniques we should use, but to assume automatically that the Army Field Manual would suit the needs of the republic in all circumstances is a shot in the dark," Hayden said.

Senate Democrats aren't likely to support a classified annex. Holder on Thursday said the interrogation methods outlined in the Army manual would be just as effective as those used by the CIA.

"I'm not convinced at all that if we restrict ourselves to the Army field manual that we will be in any way less effective in the interrogation of people who have sworn to do us harm," Holder said.

WASHINGTON — President-elect Barack Obama is preparing to prohibit the use of waterboarding and harsh interrogation techniques by ordering the CIA to follow military rules for questioning prison...
WASHINGTON — President-elect Barack Obama is preparing to prohibit the use of waterboarding and harsh interrogation techniques by ordering the CIA to follow military rules for questioning prison...
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- MaryKathO I'm a Fan of MaryKathO 8 fans permalink

We must not condone ANY methods that are not already sanctioned by The Geneva Conventions for our intelligence officers, and military personnel MUST abide by the Military Code of Conduct...no 'ifs, and, or butts'...America must stand for SOMETHING and condoning harsh or extreme methods to gain intel is, by it's very nature, UNCONSTITUTIONAL. We have surely created a new generation of extremists thanks to Abu Ghrab and Guantannamo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 01/17/2009
- tompoe I'm a Fan of tompoe 20 fans permalink

Why would Obama think it's always a good idea to have just a little pregnant clause? I have to wonder where these authors get their secret information.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 01/17/2009
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Cleary there is an exemption for teaching high school freshman....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 AM on 01/17/2009
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It is amazing how passionate *some people* are about not giving up torture! I think they like it. Probably looking forward to pay-per-view.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 01/17/2009
- lovable I'm a Fan of lovable 9 fans permalink

I DO NOT KNOW WHETTHER IT WORKS OR NOT. the people who say it does not work never debate the people who day it does. the ones who raelly know are the experts . they only talk to people who agree with them . pts the same with anytone today . they go one shows where people agree with there views.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 01/16/2009
- NWRICK I'm a Fan of NWRICK 272 fans permalink
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John McCain was tortured and gave bogus info (most of the time).
As for the lack of real debate in this country, I totally agree.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 01/17/2009
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good point! he just lied to them for 5 years. why do we think it will work for us?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 01/17/2009

"Obama's changes may not be absolute. His advisers are considering adding a classified loophole to the rules that could allow the CIA to use some interrogation methods not specifically authorized by the Pentagon". So it's a ban except when they don't want it to be a ban in which cases they will use harsh interrogation methods! Got to read everything from this clown closely, he is quite the parser. So just what in the world is this ban with the open door loop hole gonna accomplish other than fooling those who don't check every word into thinking it's a ban when it isn't. This guy is good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 01/16/2009
- teron678 I'm a Fan of teron678 123 fans permalink
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whatever makes you happy ......... LMAO

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 01/16/2009
- Gould123 I'm a Fan of Gould123 7 fans permalink

Define harsh methods! Good cop,bad cop? Come on some harsh methods are needed! But not torture! Were smart enough to outline the two!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 01/16/2009
- blues101 I'm a Fan of blues101 37 fans permalink
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i agree - use the army manual. all the terror-scream from the admin. came up with nothing tangible since 9/11, many in those prisons are guilty of nothing more than being foreigners, whose only crimes are being Muslim or "Arabs". not to say there weren't potentially dangerous people there. having said that - there is a need for "agressive" interrogation - but nothing inhumane need be done to extract information - nobody's given up anything useful even after the worst of our torture techniques that couldn't be extracted using humane means. The U.S. Does Not Torture - must be inclusive, decisive and firm or don't bother making that proclamation to the world. Terrorism has not decreased -it has increased around the world since 9/11.No need to revisit the scene of the biggest crime. They'd be idiots if they tried. Nothing to do with the admin.'s justification for torture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 01/16/2009
- Tom Joad I'm a Fan of Tom Joad 276 fans permalink
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ban harsh interrogations. would you please start with my wife's "Where have you been all night!!?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 01/16/2009
- teron678 I'm a Fan of teron678 123 fans permalink
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Only fools will claim not indulging/­continuing in torture is a sign of weakness/the terrorist wins ....

Torture is not the only form of interrogations ... but those who keep pushing it seems to think so ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 01/16/2009
- Quaoar I'm a Fan of Quaoar 28 fans permalink
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Then how will we be able to get the criminals of the Bush Administration to confess their crimes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 01/16/2009

Only a fool would ban harsh interrogations. Let's hope Obama isn't a fool.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 01/16/2009
- teron678 I'm a Fan of teron678 123 fans permalink
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Define harsh interrogations???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 01/16/2009

You'll need to ask Obama what methods are approved in the "classified loophole".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 01/16/2009
- NWRICK I'm a Fan of NWRICK 272 fans permalink
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You do know that "24" is NOT a documentary, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 01/17/2009
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Well duh. He has been saying this for quite some time. What is sad is that he even has to lay down the law that this country will follow the law and abide by our treaties. That should be a no-brainer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 01/16/2009

Yeah, we'll just ask them nicely, with their lawyer present.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 01/16/2009
- vjoseph I'm a Fan of vjoseph 66 fans permalink
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Whatever, chickenhawk

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 01/16/2009
- NWRICK I'm a Fan of NWRICK 272 fans permalink
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Billo, is that you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 01/17/2009

What treaty deals with the treatment of terrorists?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 01/16/2009
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I think we should be allowed to use them on the people who think they're NOT torture methods, i.e. Cheney, Bush, Rice, Rove, et.al.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 01/16/2009
- rf-hawaii I'm a Fan of rf-hawaii 20 fans permalink

Yes, we'll call them parting greetings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 01/16/2009
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