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Obama To Close CIA "Black Sites"

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The Huffington Post   First Posted: 02/22/09 05:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 02:00 PM ET

President Obama is devoting his second full day in office to foreign affairs. While much attention has been paid to his plans to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay, the Washington Times reports on other overseas changes:

President Obama on Thursday will order the closure of so-called black sites, where CIA and European security services have interrogated terrorist suspects, under executive orders dismantling much of the Bush admistration's architecture for the war on terror, according to four individuals familiar with a draft executive order.


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The individuals said there will be three executive orders. One will order the black sites closed and require all interrogations of detainees across the entire U.S. intelligence community to adhere to the U.S. Army Field Manual. The manual specifies a range of interrogation techniques that are not considered torture.

The New York Times, however, adds that the order "could also allow Mr. Obama to reinstate the C.I.A.'s detention and interrogation operations in the future, by presidential order, as some have argued would be appropriate if Osama bin Laden or another top-level leader of Al Qaeda were captured."

The American Prospect's Adam Serwer says this paragraph could cause some anxiety, but that it's probably nothing to worry about.

Obviously I haven't seen the draft of the order that the Times has, but torture is illegal and we are bound by treaty not to practice it. So while yes, it's technically possible that Obama could do it again, it would be just as illegal as when Bush did it, and I doubt there's any way the folks appointed to the OLC would approve it.
Jane Mayer reported on the CIA black sites in a 2007 issue of the New Yorker.
The C.I.A.'s interrogation program is remarkable for its mechanistic aura. "It's one of the most sophisticated, refined programs of torture ever," an outside expert familiar with the protocol said. "At every stage, there was a rigid attention to detail. Procedure was adhered to almost to the letter. There was top-down quality control, and such a set routine that you get to the point where you know what each detainee is going to say, because you've heard it before. It was almost automated. People were utterly dehumanized. People fell apart. It was the intentional and systematic infliction of great suffering masquerading as a legal process. It is just chilling."
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President Obama is devoting his second full day in office to foreign affairs. While much attention has been paid to his plans to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay, the Washington Times reports on oth...
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10:48 AM on 01/24/2009
A stain on the reputation of the U.S. is removed, and a craven betrayal of our principles is corrected. Thank you, POTUS.
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CR46
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09:58 AM on 01/24/2009
Are these the sites that Bush and Cheney denied existence of???
01:04 AM on 01/24/2009
Another Job well done, thank you for getting us back on track with our Constitutional Laws! Bush was dead wrong on this and should have been impeached for allowing torture.
09:36 PM on 01/23/2009
Those "renditions" are a disgraceful stain on the Bush era .
He SHOULD be prosecuted for allowing it to happen.
11:00 PM on 01/23/2009
uh..."renditions" ORIGINATED during the "Clinton Era"!!

I dont have a problem closing Guantonomo and the CIA "black sites". We are not going to treat them as "POWs" (see Geneva Conventions regarding non-uniformed combatants--or better yet, how long uniformed combatants may be kept as POWs!!!).They be treated should they be treated as Bush-era "unlawful combatants",

We just might as well bring them back here and incarcerate them in a Federal prison- they can eat typical prison meals (NOT culturally appropriate!), will have to adhere to a rigid schedule (no special "time out" to pray to Allah 5xs per day!), etc.!.

This will probably save us $$$, will have us end up with a good number of prisoners who are not wanted by their native countries---so will be in limbo unless we give them green cards (see article on reently released prisoner now leading al-qaeda in Yemen!).

It just amazes me that, after all these months of runninng for POUS--and aiming to shut down Guantonomo---there is NO PLAN IN PLACE TO IMPLEMENT THE PROMISE!!!

We also now know that "torture" [we know it when we see it!!!) will not be permitted....then again.... maybe it will...NO!!!...ugh...we decided to leave a teeny weeny loophole...


Give me a BREAK!!!! Does the POTUS have PRINCIPLES (like NO LOBBYISTS!!!)...or does he just do what is expedient and create exceptions as it suits him???

What a bummer!!! What a wasted [primary] vote.....
09:12 PM on 01/23/2009
I think these poor guys from gitmo should sue the pants off of us.
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Do as I say, not as I do-Oh wait that's the 1%
09:27 AM on 01/24/2009
not "us", Bush. I didn't vote for Bush , I didn't approve of the war. Sue Bush so he can feel the pain of being poor.
09:08 PM on 01/23/2009
Finally, we are getting this country in order....

http://curiouslygreen.com/
12:46 AM on 01/23/2009
I am so happy to post on this site. I live in West Michigan which is extremely conservative and anything I post is labeled as spam. On my local site, Torture is viewed as okay because it is kept away from the local people. To me, this is not humane and cannot understand why an area of religious conservatives can say it is okay to torture. They believe the Republican party is pro religious conservative and that means that to attack the "evil" side is okay. I am totally stunned that they preach Republican Religious Conservative thoughts yet forget the true meaning of Christ who believed in Love thy Neighbor as Thyself. Can anyone out there make sense of this in a "religious" area?
10:47 PM on 01/23/2009
As a Christian myself....no I can not. Here's what my Jesus taught:

Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God.

Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.

Nowhere did I read it's ok, to hate, or to torture other humans, in fact the question of "who is my neighbor" Jesus gave the analogy of the "Good Samaritan". And He also said, we should love our enemy.
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03:55 AM on 01/24/2009
Easy. Use the old testament as a guide for treatment of enemies, and use the new testament as a guide for treatment friends. See, god's so smart he divided them into two categories!
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06:43 PM on 01/22/2009
Reading the articles on torture, seeing some of the abu-Grahib pictures, listening to the defenders of torture, there sure seems to be, at least at the WH and staff level, a sexual attraction to torture.
06:59 PM on 01/22/2009
Interesting you should mention that.
Members of and visitors to The Bohemian Grove in Northern CA perform strange and sadistic rituals. The membership list is gripping and astonishing.
09:32 PM on 01/22/2009
Seriously, not the Bohemian Grove thing again...
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01:22 AM on 01/23/2009
Thanks, I stumbled onto that months ago, and have been trying to remember the name for a couple days. Weird stuff!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCDs9Vs2iYM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-82095917705734983
05:34 PM on 01/22/2009
and the white sites and the brown sites, thought we were inclusive, what gives.
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05:30 PM on 01/22/2009
Obama proves his critics wrong again. Many people complained that closing Guantanamo was not enough what about all the other tor ture. Well Obama is closing those too and many of you are still complaining. When are you going to get it Obama is real change.
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scjk67
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05:25 PM on 01/22/2009
an excellent article of lies and chaos of what really went wrong with torture!! MUST READ!!


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-worthington/chaos-and-lies-why-obama_b_159905.html
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ROBOT8
05:18 PM on 01/22/2009
PRISONERS KEPT AT BLACK SITES WILL INEVITABLY BE TURNED OVER TO EVEN MORE RUTHLESS CAPTORS PERHAPS EVEN KILLED...I WONDER WHAT THOUGHT HAS GONE INTO THIS OPTION??????
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KQuarksSuperKollider
05:28 PM on 01/22/2009
Proof please when people use all caps they use 99% emotion and 1% brains.
05:35 PM on 01/22/2009
silent option, why.
04:54 PM on 01/22/2009
How many were tortured with waterboarding----3

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MjM2ZDRlOWY4OTdjMWFiNjZlYWUwZmNiYjRjNGQwZDM=&w=MA==


With the loophole will there be more?
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scjk67
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05:27 PM on 01/22/2009
there will be a case load soon be out....Bush and Co. are in deep sh*t.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-worthington/chaos-and-lies-why-obama_b_159905.html
12:15 AM on 01/24/2009
reportedly only 3--and that was before 2005. I stand corrected--we use waterboarding on our own speciial forces troops. Hopefully, Congress will conduct a THOROUGH investigation of our torturing many more of our own troops than we have the enemey--not to mention a few members of the press who have been waterboarded (a they sue the Exeutive Branch???). These TORTURERS NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE!!!.
04:19 PM on 01/22/2009
Alan Deshowitz will be strongly disappointed about the torture ban. He used his lawyering so persistently to convince the public that hammering needles under fingernails is a good thing. I hope his Harvard students will provide moral support.
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04:45 PM on 01/22/2009
Mr Dershowitiz needs to go away, and for good. From his defense of OJ to his right-slanted comments every time someone put a mic in his face. He really does view himself as the imperial legal authority and always has.
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surlyguvna
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04:16 PM on 01/22/2009
We stop being Americans the very second we adopt terrorist ways. 24 is NOT real life. I'm sure that if you were to strap Dick "Deadeye" Cheney into one of these water board chairs, he would confess to having a hand in everything from global conspiracies involving the chuppa cabra to being the original cause of cancer. Also, Dick and George have told the world they approved it - I think now they're daring people to hold them accountable...which NO ONE will.
04:40 PM on 01/22/2009
It is a waste to put them on trial
Far more toxic for them will be a full enquiry with immunity, then none of their rank apologists can say what mighty good fellows they are.
08:49 PM on 01/22/2009
you're on the right track with this line of thinking. Truth and Reconciliation like Desmond Tutu in S.A.

It's not really the person that needs purged as much as the mythology
05:08 PM on 01/22/2009
I would love to see D.C. waterboarded.
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BabsfromKansas
05:42 PM on 01/22/2009
Many of us would offer to pay to do the honor