Aide: Holder Has Made No Decisions On Prosecuting Bush Officials

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January 28, 2009 04:13 PM

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An aide to Eric Holder rejected a report Wednesday suggesting that the Attorney General nominee had pledged not to prosecute members of the Bush administration officials who were complicit in illegal harsh interrogations or torture.

"Eric Holder has not made any commitments about who would or would not be prosecuted," said the aide. "He explained his position to Senator Bond as he did in the public hearing and in responses to written questions."

The statement came hours after the Washington Times quoted Senate Judiciary Committee member Kit Bond saying Holder had privately insisted that he would not conduct such prosecutions. That report caused a stir on the Hill, where Democrats were left wondering whether Holder had privately placated Republican concerns that he would investigate Bush administration officials involved in interrogations.

Publicly, Holder has tried his best to be non-committal on what he would do in regard to torture investigations saying "nobody is above the law," but that he didn't "want to criminalize policy differences that may exist" between administrations. Because he defined waterboarding as torture during his confirmation hearings, it was assumed that he would have a responsibility to investigate the Bush administration admission that they have used waterboarding on a select few detainees. But in a question form offered to Republican Senators on Judiciary he was much more vague (indeed, cold to the idea) when asked if he would prosecute the matter.

Kyl: ...in your view, if a government agent has reasonably and in good faith relied on Justice Department assurances that his actions are lawful, do you believe that it would be inappropriate for the Justice Department to commence a criminal investigation of that individual? Or do you instead believe that it is appropriate to investigate such an individual and force him to incur legal fees, but that the Justice Department is unlikely to bring a prosecution because obtaining a conviction would be "exceedingly difficult?"


Holder: Prosecutorial and investigative judgments must depend on the facts, and no one is above the law. But where it is clear that a government agent has acted in 'reasonable and good-faith reliance on Justice Department legal opinions' authoritatively permitting his conduct, I would find it difficult to justify commencing a full-blown criminal investigation, let alone a prosecution.

An aide to Eric Holder rejected a report Wednesday suggesting that the Attorney General nominee had pledged not to prosecute members of the Bush administration officials who were complicit in illegal ...
An aide to Eric Holder rejected a report Wednesday suggesting that the Attorney General nominee had pledged not to prosecute members of the Bush administration officials who were complicit in illegal ...
 
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- pjburke I'm a Fan of pjburke 63 fans permalink

OK.

There are lots of opinions flying on torture... many informed and principled, some "not so much."

I suspect there are lots of other former military folk on here as well... possibly some legal or law enforcement professionals, too.

The military establishment position along with the widely shared cultural moral position within the United States military on torture and detainee abuse is well and long-established, widely published, and well-publicized:

* Torture is not a matter of opinion, but a matter of law. It is absolutely prohibited.
* Detainee abuse is not a matter of opinion, but a matter of law. It is absolutely prohibited.

Any other former -- or current -- military service members want to weigh in, go ahead.

PJ Burke
LNCM (Master Chief Legalman), USN (ret.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 01/29/2009

They are not going to do anything, just watch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 01/29/2009

AG Eric Holder will have to step up to the plate and bat a thousand. What went on in the Bush White House for the last 8 years has to be examined so that our Civil Liberties can be restored to its ritghtful place.

The main reason the Republicans are trying to hold Mr. Holders feet to the fire is because once the imformation of the wrong doing of the Bush Administration hits the fan, Republicans will wear the residue of the fall out.

We the American people have your back Mr. Holder and we will not allow the Republicans to Obstruct the way. My plea is to the Media who sometimes do the Republicans bidding for them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 01/29/2009
- cg3 I'm a Fan of cg3 permalink
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Since, in reality there is no way they will prosecute Bush & Cheney, Obama should pardon them for specific crimes. This would at least put it in historical records and prevent future revisionism. Plus, what fun! Would they reject them?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 01/29/2009
- rblackbird I'm a Fan of rblackbird 9 fans permalink

Many people gush about what a wonderful thing Gerald Ford did in pardoning Richard Nixon. "It allowed the country to come together (whatever the hell that means)." "It helped heal the wounds of Watergate." "It allowed the country to look to the future rather than being worried about the past."

Sound familiar?

In 1974, the people were deeply offended, including me, who thought that justice had been denied. As with 9/11, I still remember where I was and what I was doing when I heard the news. The people did not reward Ford; we voted him out of office, largely for this.

The problem with the Nixon pardon is that it sent a signal to future presidents that they would not get prosecuted for their crimes in office, either. Talk about executive privilege.

Bush and his crowd spied on American citizens, tortured enemies and non-enemies alike, got over 4000 US soldiers killed in a useless war, destroyed our international standing and reputation, and bankrupted the country. Crimes were part of their everyday conduct. Unlike subordinates at the end of the line, the higher-ups had no reasonable basis to rely on imitation "legal" opinions that were manipulated to say wrong was right and evil was good.

Pursuing the Bush gang may be distasteful to Pres. Obama, but he is the chief executive of the nation. Pursuing justice, especially when extraordinary wrongdoing occurred on such a high level, is part of his job description.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 AM on 01/29/2009
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If the Obama administration does not pursue the war crimes of the BUSH administration, the I will not vote for him again.

I am not typically a one issue voter but, this is a deal breaker and based on other situations it appears that if you have a "title" then you have immunity from moral, ethical, and legal concerns. This feeds the megalomania of would-be despots in the public and private sector.

Being president or CEO should not remove individual responsibility. There is no right way to do a wrong thing and there is no wrong way to do the right thing

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 AM on 01/29/2009

I agree, this is one issue that if Obama does not pursue Justice for these war crimes I will not be voting for him in 2012 and I too am not usually a one issue voter but this is too important to "turn the other cheek".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 02/03/2009
- TLaw I'm a Fan of TLaw permalink

There's no way President Obama will go after Bush and those who think otherwise splash water onto your faces and WAKE UP.

Most of us may love President Obama and is idea of "change" but he's apart of the same club that all of your former US presidents belong to --well, all except for Carter. He doesn't want to ruffle any of his "colleagues" feathers. He knows what can happen if he did......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 AM on 01/29/2009
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Do you know him personally or are you just saying that? Inquiring minds need to know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 AM on 01/29/2009
- pjburke I'm a Fan of pjburke 63 fans permalink

"He knows what can happen if he did....."

Phooey.

First of all, the president has no discretion in the matter of international war crime investigation and prosection... and if he obstructs, he makes himself an accessory after-the-fact.

On the off-chance that Bush, Cheney, Gonzales, Rumsfeld et. al. are not investigated and prosecuted by either U.S. or international authorities, then private means of adjudication will take over.

It is not a matter of "whether," but instead a matter of "when" and "where."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 AM on 01/29/2009
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 351 fans permalink
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Anyone who makes deals to prevent legitimate prosecution of any administration officials should not be AG.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 AM on 01/29/2009
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 351 fans permalink
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And I don't care how powerful Marc Rich is, either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 AM on 01/29/2009
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 215 fans permalink

Yet it is the Republican members of the legal committee trying to make such a deal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 01/29/2009

The story came from the Washington Post and you believe it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 01/29/2009
- Right-turn I'm a Fan of Right-turn 21 fans permalink
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70% of the American people want BHO to move on, and not chase former Bushies.

You far lefties just want to try to get even for the 2000 election and Clinton's impeachment.

BHO knows it would just divide the country further, he is not stupid.

BHO wants to be remembered for his policies, not his witch hunts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 AM on 01/29/2009
- rodnacious I'm a Fan of rodnacious 5 fans permalink
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I take it that you are BHO's right hand man?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 AM on 01/29/2009
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That is funny as on Change.gov that was the #1 priority issue/question that more people supported than any other!

Was your survey done in the RED STATES of in Crawford?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 AM on 01/29/2009
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 215 fans permalink

He asked the other 10 people in his tr0lling station.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 01/29/2009
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 351 fans permalink
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What we "lefties" want is a return to the RULE OF LAW.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 AM on 01/29/2009
- Right-turn I'm a Fan of Right-turn 21 fans permalink
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Only when it is to your advantage. How about charging our new Treasury Secretary with tax evasion?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 AM on 01/29/2009
- Vinca I'm a Fan of Vinca 6 fans permalink

I AM VERY RELEIVED, ERIC HOLDER, DIDN'T PROMISE NOT TO HOLD THE BUSH ADMIN, ACCOUNTABLE FOR TORTURE< THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN RIDICULOUS> THE RULE OF LAW, MUST APPLY TO THE BUSH ADMIN

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 AM on 01/29/2009
- skyeapril I'm a Fan of skyeapril 31 fans permalink

So you think there should be no prosecutions of the Bushies? Then prepare yourself for the international trials because if our government decides to ignore illegalities that does not mean that the Hague will as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 AM on 01/29/2009
- Right-turn I'm a Fan of Right-turn 21 fans permalink
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If you are going to dream, I guess you might as well dream big!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 AM on 01/29/2009

Where did you get your 70% figure. My guess is it's 70/30 in favor of putting George's worthless *** in jail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 AM on 01/29/2009
- seted I'm a Fan of seted 25 fans permalink
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Here comes the new boss, same as the old boss.People need to hearken back to that ol' maxim; ' Those that do not remember, last name is probably Gonzales.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 AM on 01/29/2009
- offred I'm a Fan of offred 45 fans permalink

Holder has to publically deny this himself. If he can't or won't, then he shouldn't be AG.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 01/29/2009
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Never underestimate the power of denial. Never judge unless you want to be judged.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 01/29/2009
- MMJones I'm a Fan of MMJones 48 fans permalink

Well, thank goodness. These crimes cannot go quietly away without prosecution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 01/29/2009
- SPQR1775 I'm a Fan of SPQR1775 45 fans permalink

Rove should be jailed, and so too should the last AG. It is high time for all that run around ignoring the constitution. Pres O surely ended G.W. Presidency with a bang. Pres Bush messed up the world economy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 01/29/2009
- Right-turn I'm a Fan of Right-turn 21 fans permalink
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The world? What about Putin, OPEC, The Chinese, The EU? They all fell pray to Bushie? LOL

Pretty impressive for a C average student!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 AM on 01/29/2009
- obamagal I'm a Fan of obamagal 50 fans permalink
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Obfuscate, obfuscate, obfuscate. "It was him, no, I mean him, no, well - I know, HE did it"....

At least you dream big.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 01/29/2009
- enyapjeff I'm a Fan of enyapjeff 2 fans permalink

Mr. Holder's first assignment should be to prosecute the Bush administration for WAR CRIMES.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 01/28/2009
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Your statement gives me proof you have no power. But that' okay. Neither do I.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 01/28/2009

we don't do this in a free society... move to russia if you want to do that.

move on, por favor.

you wouldn't want us to prosecute Obama for being a neophyte, would u? we won't... because we value the s y s t e m more than you seem to do... grow, my budding progresso-head.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 AM on 01/29/2009
- somsoc I'm a Fan of somsoc 58 fans permalink
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In a society that puts justice first we do exactly what enya has suggested. It would be typical of Russia to ignore the war crimes and the other crimes of the Bush administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 01/29/2009
- somsoc I'm a Fan of somsoc 58 fans permalink
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Are you out of the 5th grade yet deary?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 01/29/2009
- offred I'm a Fan of offred 45 fans permalink

Being a neophyte isn't a crime, ordering torture is. Besides, Obama's no neophyte; he's got you Republicans running in circles and it's only his second week. I've even heard Republicans using the adjective form of Democrat again, e.g. saying Democratic rather than Democrat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 01/29/2009

egads . . . "post progressive"???

We don't prosecute for CRIMES in a FREE society? Now THAT sounds like RUSSIA!!!!!

:neophyte" ??? My goodness, little buddy, please read your post BEFORE posting it . . . it's one thing to be a fool in your basement but to post it INTERNATIONALLY is quite another . . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 01/29/2009

Quite the opposite. We shouldn't prosecute him for losing the war; he wouldn't be the first incompetent we've elected, nor will he be the last, and the party of LBJ is in no position to complain about Presidents lying to get us into a war.
But torture and other rampant violations of the Constitution are a different problem entirely - the real question should be whether the US gets to prosecute him before or after the international court in the Hague gets him. Bush used to rant about the Rule of Law; he's gotten awfully quiet about that lately.
The system prosecuted Nazis at Nuremberg, and even Pinochet got hauled into court a few times, though the Brits let him off for being a sick old man, and when US Senator Norm Coleman and others found where he'd been hiding his money, he got indicted for tax evasion, though he died before he could go to court.
South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission served as a model for similar processes around the world - even though it gave many people amnesty, they still needed to be called to justice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 AM on 01/29/2009
- somsoc I'm a Fan of somsoc 58 fans permalink
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I second that motion!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 AM on 01/29/2009
- obamagal I'm a Fan of obamagal 50 fans permalink
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All in favor say "Aye".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 01/29/2009
- jacqmac I'm a Fan of jacqmac 16 fans permalink

Hey KIDS!! Let's RELAX a little bit here. The ACLU has our backs. They have filed a Freedom of Information Act request for any and ALL memos coming out of the B. administration. John Conyers-BLESS HIM!-is TRYING to get some facts by subpoenaing ROVE for the SECOND TIME. A HIGH LEVEL W. era JUDGE has stated unequivocally that 'WE' tortured at Guantanemo. There has been NO AG for the last week. There has been no AG who has a distinct STAND AGAINST TORTURE for the last 8 years! Again, as I've stated before here, the ENTIRE GERMAN POPULATION WAS NOT PROSECUTED after WW II, yet they, having been members of the Nazi Party were also 'guilty of war crimes'! Let's give things a decent chance---this mess wasn't created overnight--it won't be cleaned up overnight either.
As for Holder's 'private reassuranc­es'---cons­ider the sources. Kit Bond and the Washington TIMES! Real movers and shakers! NOT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 01/28/2009
- somsoc I'm a Fan of somsoc 58 fans permalink
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Note: Holder's aides say Bond is full of crap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 01/29/2009

He has been for a long time. Good news is he isn't running for reelection!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 AM on 01/29/2009
- Right-turn I'm a Fan of Right-turn 21 fans permalink
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None of this took place in the U.S.

I'm sure if we were overran by msulims, heads would roll.

But the civilian courts can't try someone for actions outside the U.S.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 AM on 01/29/2009
- pjburke I'm a Fan of pjburke 63 fans permalink

absolute nonsense.

made-up BS will not fly here.

off you go to red-whakker world where facts don't matter.

here they do

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 AM on 01/29/2009
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 215 fans permalink

Wishful thinking. We WILl find out otherwise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 01/29/2009
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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So, in essence the Replubicans want to hire this guy, but with assurances he won't be honest and follow the law. Why would this surprise anyone at this point? Don't buy this revisionism, the press it trying to convey now, about the worst criminals in the history of the White House. They (Bush's administration) have broken 269 laws (that we know about) and some of them are World Court matters. The Treaty against Torture was signed and ratified by none other than Ronald Reagan, himself (U.N. Conference on Torture). Let's just hope these Republicans are just covering themselves by being seen to objecting to this, because if they are sincere, they are aiding and abetting War Criminals by blocking Eric Holder. Ask yourself this... if there wasn't teeth to this (valid crimes committed), why are the establishment, MSM and corporate apologists writing about it so much? "Methinks thy protest much too loudly"-Sh­akespeare.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 01/28/2009
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 215 fans permalink

You have to remember which party whines about "litmus tests" all the time.
Naturally, they are also the party that HAS mandatory positions on almost every topic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 01/28/2009
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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True. Next to "the War on Terror", the biggest lie ever told was "Compassionate Conservative".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 AM on 01/29/2009
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