STD Money, Recovery.gov, The Patriot Act: HuffPost Readers Dig Through The Stimulus

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February 2, 2009 06:49 PM

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More money to battle STDs. Recovery.gov stripped out. A nod to the Patriot Act. Huffington Post readers have taken a preliminary look at the Senate stimulus package and sent in what they found.

As the Senate debates the bill, we'll continue to go over it. Click here to access the complete bills and sign up to receive instructions on how we'll divide the work of going over this 736-page proposal.

Already, two readers have noticed that the Senate version includes more money for screening and prevention of STDs -- $65 million more, to be exact.

The House bill gives the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention $335,000,000 to the CDC "to carry out domestic HIV/ AIDS, viral hepatitis, sexually-transmitted diseases, and tuberculosis prevention programs."

The Senate version ups that to $400 million and removes the TB reference, directing the money simply to "sexually-transmitted diseases, including HIV." (Now all that money will apparently be removed as a gesture of comity to the GOP.)

Readers noticed a change to the transparency section, too, but it's not as significant as it initially looked to be.

President Obama promised to set a new standard for openness and public disclosure of contracts and spending in the stimulus package now before Congress. The House responded by writing into the law a provision that would require all contracts to be posted to a website -- Recovery.gov.

The post was required to include the amount of investment, a description of the project, the purpose, the rationale, and whom to contact at the relevant agency if there are problems or questions. Obama and House leaders repeatedly hailed the disclosure requirement as meeting the high standard set by Obama during the presidential campaign.

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The Senate stripped out any reference to Recovery.gov, and in this ctl+F world, that immediately struck one reader as a major omission. However, a Senate Democratic aide said that the web address was stricken on the advice of legislative counsel, who advised that specifying a specific url wasn't appropriate in a piece of legislation. Instead, the Senate bill directs the creation of "a website."

Still, there are noticeable differences between the proposed House and Senate websites. The House version puts forward specific requirements that must be disclosed. The Senate version is more subjective, requiring the site to be "user-friendly," for instance, and include "data on relevant economic, financial, grant, and contract information."

"The website shall provide detailed data on contracts awarded by the Government that expend covered funds, including information about the competitiveness of the contracting process, notification of solicitations for contracts to be awarded, and information about the process that was used for the award of contracts," reads the Senate version.

The USA Patriot Act makes a cameo in the Senate version, too, one reader noticed, in a section kicking down half a billion dollars "for construction to upgrade or modify critical infrastructure, as defined in section 1016(e) of the USA PATRIOT Act of 2001 (42 U.S.C. 5195c(e))."

"Critical infrastructure" includes everything from the foundational elements of cyberspace to ports, major tunnels, or anything else, "whether physical or virtual, so vital to the United States that the incapacity or destruction of such systems and assets would have a debilitating impact on security, national economic security, national public health or safety, or any combination of those matters," according to the definition in the text of the Patriot Act.

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More money to battle STDs. Recovery.gov stripped out. A nod to the Patriot Act. Huffington Post readers have taken a preliminary look at the Senate stimulus package and sent in what they found. As ...
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- Beninn I'm a Fan of Beninn 33 fans permalink
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Tucked into the stimulus -- The Feds want your medical records.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=87322

Obama's health care plan isn't universal, & depends on all medical records being computerized where they can be shared with millions of people, without their consent, no opting out.

In some respects electronic medical records sound great: it saves time, money and is technologically up to date. However, privacy becomes a big issue when anything is published electronically. Information on computers or on the web is WAY too easily hacked.

What we need & want is single-payer, universal health care. That's how to get health care affordable. We used to have it & it worked just fine until pro-growth business interests wanted a piece of the medical dollar & created a role for bureaucrats -- Managed Health Care.

With electronic medical records, Obama picks up with Bush's invasive wiretapping and John Poindexter's TIA leaves off. Call your Congress critter & tell them to get this out of the stimulus bill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 02/04/2009
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The remainder of the legislation is in S. 350. For some reason (negotiability?) many of what the D's thought would be controversial are in a bill introduced by Sen Max Baucus.

While there may no opt out (that I could find), there is very strict privacy regs suggested - as tight as the records privacy for your financial information, which you can't opt out on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 02/04/2009
- Pennsanic I'm a Fan of Pennsanic 9 fans permalink
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Frankly, if it comes from WORLDNETDAILY, I'm not buying it. Consult a real news source and get back to us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 02/06/2009

The purpose of the stimulus plan is to put people to work by funding infrastructure development projects that have a lasting affect. This yields twice the reward for the dollars spent--people have jobs, and our neighborhoods get something we need.
Our traditional definition of "infrastructure" includes the roads, bridges, highways, and so forth. Employing contractors, tradespeople, and heavy equipment operators stimulates a particular part of our local economy.
But what about the nurses, lab techs, researchers, programmers, or teachers whose jobs have also been eliminated? If we broaden the definition of "infrastructure" to include other meaningful projects with equally lasting affects, the stimulus plan can benefit these people as well.
By applying this broad definition to some of the perceived "pork" projects, you see that some of these projects actually ensure that other kinds of jobs are being created for people with different skills.
For example, does the STD program actually set up a new health screening facility or fund research? Is the intent to put nurses and lab techs back to work? Is the end result a long-needed solution to a current healthcare issue. If so, it fits the definition. Why wouldn't that be the same two-fold stimulus we are looking for in our construction projects?
So let's apply a broad infrastructure definition and make sure we aren't eliminating some valuable projects.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 02/04/2009
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See part 2 - S.350. This is where the healthcare appropriations are. These jobs are equally important as construction jobs, since there is a higher percentage of women employed in healthcare.

Working women need recovery as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 02/04/2009

There is enough money for every program that Obama wants to fund! We only need to get the Federal Reserve to print more money. That's all it takes. Pledge to serve our President and everything he wants.

We are one people, one nation and we have one Leader.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 02/03/2009
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This isn't about funding programs it's about stimulating the economy.

I'm no republican to follow blindly where our one Leader goes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 AM on 02/04/2009
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Your team lost due to really poor management. You sorta got to go along, or move away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 02/04/2009
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All this money is borrowed. How good is your Chinese?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 02/04/2009
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The money is generated with bond sales, not printed. It is a long term investment strategy. Boring, but a guaranteed return.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 PM on 02/04/2009
- nogimmicks I'm a Fan of nogimmicks 27 fans permalink

Instead of balancing the budget overblown beyond belief, Obama is pushing this amorphous bunch of stinky pork in every area lobbyists or beaurocrats happened to cared about. Increasing the deficit by another trillion makes every problem worse.

Stop the wars, stop the TARP/banker handouts and reduce the government. That is the real answer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 02/03/2009
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On which page numbers and under what heading is, what you would describe as, pork?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 02/03/2009

Don't you know that wars create jobs? Reducing the government would also be silly. Who would run the economy and take care of us?

We are one people, one nation and we have one Leader. I Pledge to Serve my President.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 PM on 02/03/2009
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Oh, good. The answer to massive unemployment is more unemployment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 AM on 02/04/2009

If Congress, and the President do not get this bill right, the money will go 100% towards STD - Stimulative Towards Depression

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 02/03/2009

Stop criticizing Obama! The people have spoken and you have a responsibility to support him!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 02/03/2009
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Expressing an opinion is support. Harry is right, if the bill doesn't get it right we risk even worse problems then we already have. Remember, Obama says he learns more from the negative press.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 02/04/2009
- jaglon I'm a Fan of jaglon 4 fans permalink

All health and education aspects to this bill need to come out. They should be in the health and education bills not the economic stimulus bill. The focus should be on jobs and infrastructure (sewers, water treatment, bridges, highway maintenance, passenger rail, levies) less on taxes.

No corporate tax breaks unless the senate strips out all the tax loopholes that corporations use to get around paying NO taxes which most of them do. Why do they need lower taxes when most of them use loopholes to get out of paying none at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 02/03/2009
- spartanmom I'm a Fan of spartanmom 13 fans permalink

the reason that there are health and education expenditures in the bill is because they are fields with high concentrations of women.

This is part of the jobs creation element of the bill.

If you only fund heavy construction projects you are leaving out a huge component of the workforce

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 02/03/2009
- gratonite I'm a Fan of gratonite 7 fans permalink

good point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 02/03/2009
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I read that when Japan did a similar stimulus for their economy, education was considered PART of the infrastructure. If we improved education in this country companies would have no need to import foreign workers as they do now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 02/03/2009
- cbates I'm a Fan of cbates 36 fans permalink
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I really think that the spending should go forward. Our country is falling more and more behind in all areas. I recently became certified as a substitute teacher and found that we only pay about $10/hour for that critical role. How on this green earth are we to be competitive inthis and future global economies by building roads?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 02/03/2009

I agree. There is plenty of money. Obama just needs to ask the Federal Reserve, where the government's huge reserves of money are kept, to release some for whatever we need. Or he can have the Federal Reserve print more money, as much as we need. Bush is gone now and Obama is going to take care of us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 02/04/2009
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If I understand it the Bill targets health and education because 1) a lot of people who are/become unemployed lose their insurance, and 2) it's the buildings that are targeted, which means targeted shovel ready infrastructure projects.

The tax loopholes need to be taken out. If we remove all loopholes and lower the Corporate tax to 15% we remain competitive globally and still get more tax money then we are now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 AM on 02/04/2009
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Corporate tax will be back to 75% by 2010. Slower growth, but stable growth. Those who want too can move offshore. And find a new market, cause we won't buy anything from an offshored company.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 02/04/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1547 fans permalink
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The bill is inadequate. Obama should listen to Krugman. Double the direct spending (mainly on infrastructure) and eliminate tax cuts.

I find it interesting that ther are more comments on STD spending on this thread than any other single item. What percent of the total package is that spending, even if people think that it would not create jobs?

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 02/03/2009
- dearlizzie I'm a Fan of dearlizzie 5 fans permalink
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Ah. actual logic and perspective! But let's define infrastructure and be sure to include communication infrastructure such as rural broadband.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 02/03/2009
- momof3inGA I'm a Fan of momof3inGA 7 fans permalink
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Rural broadband is one of the centerpieces of the infrastructure legislation. It was discussed in detail prior to the House vote last week.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 02/03/2009
- Shikamaru I'm a Fan of Shikamaru 7 fans permalink

I logged on to a conservative website, they detailed what they considered to be "pork" in the bill, along with the dollar amount allocated. I added up all of the "pork" (according to conservatives) which accounts for roughly 19.5 billion or %2 of the total stimulus bill. This bill is indeed pork laden. I also have both versions of the bill on my personal comp. I'm still going through them, and as much as I hate to admit this. I agree with the conservatvies (i threw up in my mouth a little bit). I agree, focus on infrastructure, focus on alternative energy, focuse on education, and focus on health care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 02/03/2009
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Even if you agree 100% with the conservative's definition of pork, 2% of the package does not merit the term "pork laden."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 02/03/2009
- Bristol I'm a Fan of Bristol 2 fans permalink

DANGER! DANGER! THIS IS NOT STIMULUS BILL!!!

This is nothing more than Democrates trying to insert their "pet projects" so they can go home to their states and say "look and what I did for you" now vote for me! I have been looking at this bill since Tuesday when released by C-Span and The CBO report and there is so much pork hanging off of this bill that bar-bee-cue sauce is dripping off of it! No wonder President Obama and the Dem Congress wants to pass this bill so quickly. They dont want people and/or reporters to get a good look at it. If they were proud of this bill they would have allowed the public at least a full week to review it. Liked he promised...

- 75 Million for Non Smoking Campaign???
- 2 Billion for National Parks????
- 300 million for STD research????
- $1.0 billion for programs of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Administration???
- $1.0 billion for periodic censuses and programs????
- $2.8 billion to expand broadband Internet service in rural areas???? (Let Verizion and Sprint handle This!!!!!!)
- $5.2 billion for grants to states and cities for activities related to community
development. ( i.e. ACORN)
- 250 MILLION for Computers for the Agucultural Department

- $6.4 billion for "various other" activities???????

DISGUSTING!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 02/03/2009
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If you work on a National Park, medical research, for NOAA work for telecom company or construction etc. etc. you would disagree. All that money creates jobs to complete the projects. What's disgusting is some people's failure to see the obvious benefits of investing this money into real jobs and real opportunities.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 02/03/2009
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Not just immediate jobs, but jobs in the private sector that make the supplies needed to do the job, and not just the technical jobs, but all the support personnel are jobs. We need to stop the hemorrhage of jobs as much as we need to create new jobs. It doesn't do us much good to create 3 to 4 million jobs if we continue losing jobs at a rate of 500K a month.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 02/04/2009

Stop criticizing Obama or close this thread! There is no room for dissent anymore. We are one people, one nation and we have one Leader.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 02/04/2009
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We'll end up in serious trouble if we shut down dissenting opinions. We democrats tend towards overspending if left to ourselves just as much as the republicans tend towards eliminating the middle class if left to themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 02/04/2009
- Sundialsvc4 I'm a Fan of Sundialsvc4 139 fans permalink

Welcome to Democracy... 21st-century style.

A fundamental bookmark for everyone should be the Library of Congress official web-site, where the up-to-date Congressional Record is kept: http://thomas.loc.gov.

If you want "solid, objective fact" about what your Government is doing (shocking and disgusting though it may be...) it's only a mouse-click away these days.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 02/03/2009

Obama is allowing the house Democrats hi jack this bill. I know he has to work with them but if he continues to let them dictate he will have the their approval rating.

The bill should be directly related to creating jobs , prevenmore layoffs by the states, and uneployment benifits. Helthcare related spending should wait until health care bill is created.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 02/03/2009
- shanefish I'm a Fan of shanefish 10 fans permalink
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Infrastructure infrastructure infrastructure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 02/03/2009
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A big part of the problem is that Dems & Repubs seem to be defining infrastructure differently.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 02/03/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1547 fans permalink
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So, losses in healthcare related jobs are acceptable?
And it is not up to Obama, Democrats are in the majority in the Senate. The majority dictates (hi jack?) what bill passes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 02/03/2009

Every dollar spent on health care is wisely spent. It is good for patients, health care professionals, and producers of heath care items (machines, meds, buidings etc.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 02/03/2009
- spartanmom I'm a Fan of spartanmom 13 fans permalink

Healthcare spending employs WOMEN

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 02/03/2009
- Bjarni I'm a Fan of Bjarni 11 fans permalink

Looks to me like the bill should be called "Pork Spending Bill", full of the same old pork for congressional members pet projects that we've been seeing these politicians spend on in the past just now on a grander scale. Now they just have the convenient excuse that it's in there to "Help" the economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 02/03/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 68 fans permalink

well said

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 02/03/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1547 fans permalink
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full of the same old pork for congressional members pet projects
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Such as?
Please identify each spending, with dollar amount, and the name of the congressional member wanting it. Thank you.

Without it, your statement means absolutely nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 02/03/2009
- Bjarni I'm a Fan of Bjarni 11 fans permalink

$355 million for education related to sexually transmitted diseases
$200 million to monitor earthquakes and volcanoes
$50 million for National Cemetery monument repairs
$200 million to repave the National Mall
$276 million for new computers at the State Department

And as for who wants it is irrelivant since I'm not trying to lay blame to any particular party or person. Non of these projects have anything to do with our economy. Are all "Bridges to Nowhere" in my opinion when it comes to the real reason behind why this bill is being passed through.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 02/03/2009
- momof3inGA I'm a Fan of momof3inGA 7 fans permalink
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75% of the bill goes to Infrastructure, Education, and immediate-relief initiatives. The other portion is designed for tax cuts. The Republicans now want those in the top 2% tax bracket (paying 10% to 15% now) to have their taxes CUT PERMANENTLY by another 5%.

More money for the rich is their option. This entire debate is disgusting.

The good thing is -- at least there IS a debate. That's what democracy is all about. No dictators in the Obama Administration. I appreciate that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 02/03/2009

When are you republicans going to realize that Fox and rush isn't real journalism?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 02/03/2009
- Bjarni I'm a Fan of Bjarni 11 fans permalink

I know I know, anyone that somewhat disagree's with you has to be a republican and a Fox/Rush audience.

I hate to ruffle your feathers but I'm neither. I don't even know what channel Rush is on. And I've never voted for a repulican.

I just believe that our founders were right with their many statements such as.

“The essence of Government is power; and power, lodged as it must be in human hands, will ever be liable to abuse.”
—James Madison

“Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question.”
—Thomas Jefferson

“Government is not reason. It is not eloquence. Government is force; like fire it is a dangerous servant -- and a fearful master.”
—George Washington

“A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.”
—Thomas Jefferson

“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.”
—Thomas Jefferson

And for the most part, the Republican party does not stand for these values in practice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 02/03/2009
- kkent I'm a Fan of kkent 3 fans permalink

When Democrats realize the Huffington post and Olberman are for people who don't have a brain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 02/03/2009
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If we were to svae a bunch of money that has nothing for the US, that would be to disband the "Patroit Act". Chernoff had about as much business running this outfit as "Brownie" did. This was nothing more than a feel safe deal the Bush administration dreamed up to take away the American people's right's and expand government to the tune of another 186,000 employees.
I don't know if we as a people will ever learn...Government is for Government, not We The people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 02/03/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 68 fans permalink

i agree get rid of most of the "Patriot Act" and the pork bill

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 02/03/2009
- shanefish I'm a Fan of shanefish 10 fans permalink
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FOR the people BY the people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 02/03/2009
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I think I am going to invest in a bong and stop reading the news or watching TV. This is getting depressing­..........­..........­..........­..........­..........­..........­..........­..........­..........­..........­..........­.......NOT

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 02/03/2009
- chonus I'm a Fan of chonus 15 fans permalink
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Yeah you and Micheal Phelps. Oh snap!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 02/03/2009
- connorin I'm a Fan of connorin 25 fans permalink

STD education among other things are the "immediate stimulus our economy needs" according to Obama? This will jump start the econoy w/in the next 5-11 months? Really?

Less than 1/2 of the $$$ will go to the "shovel ready" items Obama originally said we need. I am not here to argue whether the items in here are valid items to fund (that's for another thread). However, are they really supposed to be in a "stimulus" bill designed to rev up the engines of the economy quick, fast, and in a hurry?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 AM on 02/03/2009
- JiminNC I'm a Fan of JiminNC 267 fans permalink
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The STD stuff keeps republican lawmakers (Vitter Types) able come to work - less sick days - vital gov. function.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 02/03/2009
- ballewb I'm a Fan of ballewb 2 fans permalink

CBO (Congressional Budget Office) estimates that H.R. 1, as amended, would increase outlays by $132 billion during the remaining several months of fiscal year 2009, by $242 billion in fiscal year 2010 (which begins on October 1), by $145 billion in 2011, and by a total of $632 billion over the 2009-2019 period. (http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9977/hr1senate.pdf)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 02/03/2009

Your Gonna Need the Std money after reading this

http://thenoz.wordpress.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 02/03/2009
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