Pay Caps Will Probably Apply Only To A Few Execs, Many Will Find Loopholes

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STEVENSON JACOBS | February 4, 2009 09:12 PM EST | AP

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President Barack Obama smiles as Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner speaks about executive compensation, Wednesday, Feb. 4, 2009, in the Grand Foyer of the White House in Washington. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

NEW YORK — The squeeze on big paydays for executives of bailed-out banks will probably leave Wall Street plenty of wiggle room. Consultants on executive pay say the caps imposed by President Barack Obama on Wednesday will probably apply only to a few executives _ not star traders, brokers and salespeople who routinely earn whopping pay packages.

Others note Wall Street typically finds ways to exploit loopholes and figure this time will be no different.

"You've got a lot of people on Wall Street who are not executives but still make extremely big salaries," said Mark Borges, a principal at compensation consulting firm Compensia Inc. "I suspect this doesn't impact them at all."

The new rules require banks that receive "exceptional assistance" from the government to cap salaries, including cash bonuses, at $500,000 for senior executives.

If those firms wanted to pay their executives more, they would have to use stock that couldn't be sold until the bank had repaid the bailout money. The rules apply only to the future, not to banks that have already received bailout money.

Healthier banks that will receive bailout money technically would also face the $500,000 cap. But they could avoid it by providing full public disclosure and holding a nonbinding shareholder vote.

The White House is trying to stem rising public concern that financial firms are using billions in federal bailout dollars to pay for executive bonuses, corporate junkets and other perks.

"This is America. We don't disparage wealth. We don't begrudge anybody for achieving success," Obama said. "But what gets people upset _ and rightfully so _ are executives being rewarded for failure. Especially when those rewards are subsidized by U.S. taxpayers."

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The salary caps could also have other consequences _ sending would-be U.S. bank executives fleeing to foreign firms or hedge funds, or discouraging banks from tapping into the bailout money.

And there are still unanswered questions about the salary caps. For example, the rules do not define what constitutes "exceptional assistance" from the government.

But the rules note that injections of federal cash similar to those given to JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Wells Fargo & Co., which each got $25 billion in bailout money, and many other banks would not necessarily trigger the new salary caps.

By contrast, far more costly emergency bailouts, such as the $100 billion given to American International Group Inc. and the $40 billion given to each Citigroup Inc. and Bank of America Corp., would qualify as "exceptional assistance" and would subject such institutions to pay restrictions.

And the rules don't spell out how many executives would be subject to the cap. Compensation experts predicted anywhere from five to 25 executives per bank could face the new restriction. That would still represent only a tiny fraction of a large firm's brass.

Still, the $500,000 limit will hit some executives in their wallets.

In 2007, Bank of America CEO Ken Lewis received compensation valued at more than $20.4 million, according to a regulatory filing. That included $1.5 million in salary and more than $18 million in bonus, stock and option awards and other benefits.

Executive pay consultants say firms are sure to seek ways to get around the new rules anyway.

That's what happened in 1993, when Congress limited the corporate tax deduction on executive pay to $1 million. That move fed the boom in stock option grants, which weren't subject to the limits.

And the new rules would still allow big restricted stock awards _ they'd just postpone the payoff. So executives could still walk away with big money if their firms eventually repaid the government.

"There's plenty of wiggle room," said David Schmidt, a senior consultant on executive pay at James F. Reda & Associates. "There's no constraints below the senior executive level, so the question becomes, will the restrictions trickle down?"

On the other hand, with public anger growing over corporate excess, some compensation experts doubt Wall Street firms would risk incurring even further wrath by trying to get around the rules.

"They would get eaten alive if they tried to cheat," said Alan Johnson, managing director of compensation consulting firm Johnson Associates. "No one is going to be that stupid."

Others worry the salary caps will spark an exodus of star performers just when they're needed to lead ailing firms out of the abyss.

"We've always been a society where extraordinary work led to extraordinary payouts," said Alexander Cwirko-Godycki, research manager at Equilar Inc., an executive compensation research firm.

For many on Wall Street, the idea of capping pay is "a very foreign concept," Cwirko-Godycki said.

But will the tougher rules really force Wall Street executives to flee?

Analysts say the most elite bankers could decide to quit, along with key associates, and start boutique firms rather than accept big pay cuts. Others could defect to foreign banks or hedge funds without pay restrictions.

Should they leave bailed-out banks, though, formerly well-paid executives will find the outside opportunities aren't what they used to be.

In years past, "I would see a lot of them walking out the door. Today, I am not sure where they would go," said Richard V. Smith, senior vice president at Sibson Consulting.

Still, others worry the caps on pay could influence elite-performing Wall Street workers to forgo ambitions of rising to the executive suite.

"It will certainly encourage those performers down below to say 'I don't want a promotion,'" said Patrick McGurn, special counsel at RiskMetrics, a corporate governance advisory firm.

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Associated Press writers Jim Kuhnhenn in Washington and Rachel Beck and Warren Levinson in New York contributed to this report.

NEW YORK — The squeeze on big paydays for executives of bailed-out banks will probably leave Wall Street plenty of wiggle room. Consultants on executive pay say the caps imposed by President Bar...
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no doubt this was designed by---------Timmy---W.all Streets water-boy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 02/05/2009
- Karma7 I'm a Fan of Karma7 5 fans permalink

Obama knew all along that his announcement would only effect a few CEOs, just as he knew he would appoint corporate lobbyists to his cabinet after saying he would not..
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/02/03/the-list-of-lobbyists-in-the-obama-administration/
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/groups-urge-senate-to-reject-lynn-2009-01-23.html

He promised to “ensure that environmental standards are enforced" , then appointed a former VP of Monsanto Corp, Tom Vilsak, as Sec of Agriculture, knowing that Monsanto has violated many environmental standards., http://www.nelsonguirado.com/index.php/asymmetric/2008/07/09/comprehensive-obama-flip-flop-list

http://www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/Monsanto-Mercury-Pollution.htm
http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_16156.cfm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMWAzH9P728&feature=related

Obama promised to create more jobs and boost the economy, then he presented Stimulus package full of spending that does not create jobs and does nothing to aid the current economic crisis. .

http://www.stop-obama.org/?p=639#more-639

He lied about decreasing the number of US soldiers in Afganistan,.

OBAMA: THE WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9P15YZrnv0&feature=related
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 02/05/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 294 fans permalink

2 weeks and Obama is a total failure.

He has been unable to overcome the Conservative GOP obstructionism.

So the GOP conservative Blame him for that.

WOW.

You really hate America don't you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 02/05/2009

"You really hate America don't you?

Oh STOP IT...it has nothing to do with hating America and you know it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 02/05/2009
- Jazzman323 I'm a Fan of Jazzman323 54 fans permalink
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Now that Obama has addressed the corporate salaries, he needs to address the salaries of actors and pro sports athletes. $20 million to act in a movie or throw a ball at this time in our country is outrageous, and needs to be stopped.

Next he should go after the cost of colleges and universities. It is also outrageous. Average Americans should be able to afford college for their children.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 02/05/2009
- stell I'm a Fan of stell 21 fans permalink

Athletes, actors, actresses are paid according to what the market will bear. That's basic. You have a point about colleges and universities though. They are propped up in part by the govt. A private university shouldn't be receiving government money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 02/05/2009
- Jazzman323 I'm a Fan of Jazzman323 54 fans permalink
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I agree. But corporate executives are paid according to their value to the company, so we should not be bailing out anyone. Let the free market dictate what happens to the corporations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 02/05/2009
- Sumocat I'm a Fan of Sumocat 36 fans permalink

"You've got a lot of people on Wall Street who are not executives but still make extremely big salaries," said Mark Borges, a principal at compensation consulting firm Compensia Inc. "I suspect this doesn't impact them at all." -- Oh yeah, 'cause executives don't mind when the people beneath them earn more money than they do. Cap the execs and they will cap everyone else until the bailout is repaid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 02/05/2009
- Bobleblah1 I'm a Fan of Bobleblah1 21 fans permalink

Its like everything else this guy says.
He is totally full of Sh**.

Nothing he says has any credibility.
No one he puts on his administration pays their taxes.
All his orders have back doors and loopholes big enough to drive a truck through.

Its just an old played out record, and its only been two weeks.
Imagine how bad this is going to get in a couple months.

How's that change thing coming?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 02/05/2009
- indi1216 I'm a Fan of indi1216 8 fans permalink
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really....I bet I can dig more from the red party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 02/05/2009

so there are two sets of rules....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 02/05/2009

What about helping out the industries that are barely able to keep their staff? Where's the cap on those companies? There are none, no oversight, no proactive help for the industries that are struggling to keep their staff, as their executives and fat cats are getting paid with expensive benefits, as they layoff ppl to fund their pay and benefits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 02/05/2009

America's economy is supposed to be based on capitalism, where money regulates behavior. There is no right or wrong about the circumstances that hundreds of thousands of jobs have been and will continue to be cut by corporations. Basic economics, supply and demand equal jobs. No demand, jobs. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter how much compensation executives get. Obama drama, I think, with all of this executive compensation. Where is the solution to creating jobs, Mr. President? Why are you giving us more problems to solve? What is the root cause of the problem with the economy? When, where, and how are jobs going to be created when there are no rich people self-righteous enough to pump their capital into the system? Where are the fat cats when the public needs their help? Fat cats are always there to get their piece of the pie when something good comes around. They are financial tourists. There to make a buck, but not to give back when it is socially responsible. And we thought Madoff was terrible, at least he is having his day in court. You got folks not even paying their taxes being elected into office, appointed to cabinet roles, being paid some serious cash, as the rest of the country is suffering without jobs

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 02/05/2009
- munki I'm a Fan of munki 38 fans permalink
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The original formula and factors were based on domestic economy...
Inserting global economy and competition...
Someone really have to analyze whether it is going to work...
Is so, what industry... Yes, talking about "capitalism"...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 02/05/2009
- munki I'm a Fan of munki 38 fans permalink
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Exceptions from the $500,000 in total compensation require additional review...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 02/05/2009

Thats the spirit find the wiggle room & let the country TANK!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 02/05/2009

The wing of the new aristocracy which includes the c r o o k s who bankrupt this country MUST remain unscathed in this revolt by the peasants!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 02/05/2009
- munki I'm a Fan of munki 38 fans permalink
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"Consultants on executive pay" these are people hired by CEOs to justify CEO pay...
CONFLICT OF INTEREST! These relationships should be reviewed and taken action!!!

They get paid only to say what CEOs wants to hear... recommend higher compensation and incentives... due to scope of job description and responsibilities...

Oh... perhaps taxpayers should ask... what is NOW for failure? What do you think?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 02/05/2009
- Puzes I'm a Fan of Puzes 3 fans permalink
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Of course they will wiggle out of the restrictions! It's only the "little people" who have to plaly by the rules or do time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 02/05/2009

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 02/05/2009
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 268 fans permalink
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What's that? A signal?

You are so busted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 02/05/2009
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Dear Moderator,

Thanks for the scrub.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 02/05/2009
- TLV I'm a Fan of TLV 125 fans permalink

I have a recommendation for some of you. If you have changed jobs in the past few years, check to see what has become of your pension from the old job. My husband has left two jobs - one of which he held for 19 years. They never contacted him about his pension amount, but he is on them to get it to him NOW. Otherwise, it may simply disappear!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 02/05/2009
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