Stimulus: Dems Don't Have The Votes To Pass

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AP/Huffington Post   |  ANDREW TAYLOR   |   February 4, 2009 10:07 AM

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The cost of President Barack Obama's economic recovery plan is now above $900 billion after the Senate added money for medical research and tax breaks for car purchases.

It could go higher Wednesday if a tax break for homebuyers is made more generous, even as centrists in both parties promise to clear away spending items that won't jump-start the economy right away.

In an interview on CNN, Obama signaled a willingness to drop items that "may not really stimulate the economy right now." He also signaled he'll try to remove "buy American" provisions in the legislation to avoid a possible trade war.

Centrist senators, including Ben Nelson, D-Neb., and Susan Collins, R-Maine, are seeking to cut tens of billions of dollars from the legislation. They're operating with the blessing of Democratic leaders, who hope a successful effort could attract some GOP votes for Obama's plan.

Democratic leaders conceded they may soon be obliged to cut billions of dollars from the measure. "It goes without saying if it's going to pass in the Senate, it has to be bipartisan," said Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, the second-ranking Democratic leader, adding that rank-and-file lawmakers in both parties want to reduce the cost of the bill.

The Washington Post reported Wednesday that Democrats don't yet have the votes to pass the plan.

Senate Democratic leaders conceded yesterday that they do not have the votes to pass the stimulus bill as currently written and said that to gain bipartisan support, they will seek to cut provisions that would not provide an immediate boost to the economy.

"We're trying to find a way to reach 60" votes, Durbin told reporters.

In a series of skirmishes Tuesday, the Senate turned back a proposal to add $25 billion for public works projects and voted to remove a $246 million tax break for movie producers. Both moves were engineered by Republicans who are critical of the bill's size and voice skepticism of its ability to create jobs.

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But several hours later, GOP conservatives didn't contest approval of a $6.5 billion increase in research funding for the politically popular National Institutes of Health. That amendment, by Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, drove the price tag of Obama's plan just above $900 billion.

Democratic leaders have pledged to have the bill ready for Obama's signature by mid-month, and in a round of network television interviews Tuesday, the president underscored the urgency. He told CNN that even three months ago, most economists would not have predicted the economy was "in as bad of a situation as we are in right now."

He also spoke out against efforts to require the use of domestic steel in construction projects envisioned in the bill, telling Fox News, "We can't send a protectionist message."

Mikulski's office put the cost of the automobile tax break she sponsored at $11 billion over 10 years. It would apply to the first $49,500 in the price of a new car purchased between last Nov. 12 and Dec. 31, 2009. Individuals with incomes of up to $125,000 and couples earnings as much as $250,000 could qualify, including those who do not itemize their deductions.

Republicans are expected to seek a vote later in the week on a plan to inject the government into the mortgage industry in an attempt to drive down interest rates on mortgages to as low as 4 percent. Democrats treaded carefully on the proposal, saying they would consider it but also claiming the $300 billion Republicans allocated would not come close to accommodating the demand.

The cost of President Barack Obama's economic recovery plan is now above $900 billion after the Senate added money for medical research and tax breaks for car purchases. It could go higher Wednesday ...
The cost of President Barack Obama's economic recovery plan is now above $900 billion after the Senate added money for medical research and tax breaks for car purchases. It could go higher Wednesday ...
 
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- archtoplee I'm a Fan of archtoplee 6 fans permalink
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"Stimulus" is akin to the an old man taking a shot of cialis or viagra to make him feel as if he had his vitality back. "Stimulus" is an artifical jolt that won't last past midnight.

In the meantime the real He-Man -The Free Market system- is locked up in the dungeon being fed scraps of kryptonite socialism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 02/09/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 282 fans permalink

is fantasy all you have?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 02/19/2009
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Yes, we can.

Thank you, Senator Specter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 02/06/2009

What would help to get more support for the Stimulus Bill is for an entity like Huffington Post or some other Progressive organization/group translate the Bill into lay person language with summary budget amounts for major line items and post this in an easily accessible place. I googled and searched several days on my own for such a presentation of the Stimulus Plan and could not find any within a reasonable period of time. If one exists, please let me know.

As it turns out I had to contact by phone a federal govt. portal site to get info as to where the Bill is located. And when I went to access the document, it was in the "legalese" language, that the average lay person would not understand.

This transparency at the level of the "lay person's understanding" would help the public to better understand the bill and not be swayed by what the conventional media NBC, CBS, CNN, NY Times, etc. and all the pundits "experts" being interviewed are saying about what is in the Bill. We the public could easily see for ourselves what and where projected expenditures are going.

By leaving it up to the media and GOP to define what is in the Bill, the public opinion towards the Stimulus Package has perhaps been negatively shaped. It leaves only the President trying to explain what is a very complex Bill in limited soundbytes.

Any suggestions? Anyone?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 02/05/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 282 fans permalink

Here is the Spread sheet for the House version:

It's 900B$....OVER TEN YEARS

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9976/hr1aspassed.pdf

compared to trillions for the banksters last year alone!

Obama Reinvest in America "spending":

In Billions OVER 10 years:

360 State help
278 Health
182 tax breaks
90 education
62 Roads and housing
49 Green energy
46 unemployment, and Children.
42 Food and water
14 Police, Radio and General R&D.
9 financial stabilization
7 Military

total 1Trillion. (I probably over counted something, I'm not an accountant)

So , yes, Please, get some accountants to look at the senate versions spreed sheet, which is about 1% different.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 02/05/2009
- waltn I'm a Fan of waltn 2 fans permalink

Just bring back the jobs.... that would be stimulating.

US treasury invests $25 bn taxpayer money in Citigroup. Citigroup turns around and awards $2.5 bn out of that to Indian offshoring company - TCS!! This is "corporate socialism" at its finest.

Not only is Citi using about $2.5 billion of their bailout for offshoring/outsourcing, Citi also receives a tax credit (reduction) because of their losses and writedowns. That and 1) laying off about 10,000 US employees, 2) borrowing money at about 1.5% from the FED window, and 3) raising credit card interest rates to about 20%. Things are rapidly becoming unhinged.

India's Tata Wins Big Citi Outsourcing Deal http://tr.im/epe33)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 AM on 02/05/2009
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This is ridiculous a tax break on a car up 50k?!!? if you bought it between last year and now?!! That sounds like something a REPUBLICAN would wanna stick in. I can't believe that's coming from a Democrat. Guess it proves that no all idiots are in the Republican party.

THAT'S not stimulus. Because any car that costs that much is usually a BWM or JAG. No one is going to buy the crap cars our auto industry is churning out now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 AM on 02/05/2009

victoria38: Isn't it beyond tragic that the "Dims" haven't managed to save the planet, all in the past two weeks?! And here we thought they were super-human, miracle worker, magicians!

So, here's the deal. What I'm observing being stripped from the stimulus bill are American worker friendly things like: Buy American (kind of a no-brainer when they're spending American taxpayers $$--duh!), and dropping the provision to allow unemployed to continue their health coverage. Yeah, we see how it goes. Try to jam more "tax cuts" (failed economics) in to the bill, and cut everything that would be helpful to those losing their jobs because of the one BIG Ponzi scheme that is Wall St./banking/real estate. And how about that SEC??!!

Washington still doesn't have a clue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 02/05/2009

Not only that.. person upon person he has invited to join his administration are solid pro-outsourcing http://tr.im/eowxx) and H1B/L1 visa (read cheap foreign labor) proponents as IT unemployment in the U.S. hits a high http://tr.im/ep1ss)

In addition, while IBM takes the 5th with regard to the number of U.S. citizens it has laid off (), it's telling U.S. citizens to find work in INDIA!!!!

http://tr.im/eoyq
Big Blue wants to help redundant U.S. employees relocate to developing markets, according to an internal document.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 AM on 02/05/2009
- victoria38 I'm a Fan of victoria38 13 fans permalink
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You Dims crack me up....You have the House...you have the Senate...and the ONE is in the WH...why is it so difficult to pass a plan that will save the US economy and the rest of mankind.???
Get on with it for goodness sake !!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 PM on 02/04/2009
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maybe if bush's team had set up rules to get bailout money, the public and therefore both houses wouldn't be so weary of more tax money being spent.

just a thought.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 AM on 02/05/2009
- Daw8it I'm a Fan of Daw8it 23 fans permalink
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Folks, the ReThugs are calling there senators telling them not to vote for the stimulus plan, they care more about Obama failing than anything else like Rush Limbaugh said "i hope he fails".

We need to do the same in favor of the stimulus plan.

*Call/email your senator ...or any senator... let him/her know you are in favor of the stimulus plan. And keep calling until the voice mail or email is full.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 02/04/2009
- victoria38 I'm a Fan of victoria38 13 fans permalink
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Actually Limburger said I hope his policies fail...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 02/04/2009
- Buddy McCue I'm a Fan of Buddy McCue 137 fans permalink
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ACTUALLY Rush said, "I don't need 400 words, I need four: I hope he fails."

Why give him "context" when he didn't ask for any? He said he needs only four words; why not believe him?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 AM on 02/06/2009
- ropadopa I'm a Fan of ropadopa 26 fans permalink

Okay! Here, let me say this again. When is Harry "do nothing" Reid going to go? If he can't control his majority, what good is he?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 02/04/2009
- ropadopa I'm a Fan of ropadopa 26 fans permalink

I am so angry with Harry "do nothing" Reid. When is be going to be fired. Dick Durbin is ready to stand up but he needs help. We are running out of time and Harry can't deliver even with an almost super majority.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 PM on 02/04/2009

Make the Pubes filibuster it in front of America and let them join the Whigs. Jeez - when the GOP controlled the Senate it didn't take 60 votes to get the crap they passed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 02/04/2009
- BelGazou I'm a Fan of BelGazou 5 fans permalink

Republicans are generally Authoritarian Personalities who usually vote as they are told; you know, "stay the course" and "one for the gipper" and all that. They are generally not very bright and little sways them from their appointed rounds. Democrats don't go that way making it harder for them to vote as a block. But this is really no time for partisan politics within the Democratic Party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 02/04/2009

your post reeks of your ignorance. the difference is: The Republicans know what they stand for, and they vote that way. the Democrats have no idea what they stand for, so there is no telling how they will vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 02/05/2009
- C IH8U2 I'm a Fan of C IH8U2 24 fans permalink
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I know Obama WANTS bipartisanship. I know he WANTS to be inclusive. I know he WANTS us all (political parties) to work together. But there just comes a time where you really need to recognize when you are dealing with a lost cause. President Obama........................................................................
You are dealing with a LOST CAUSE. The repub party is a lost cause. It's time to move on and put away childish things. The repub party is a childish thing at the momment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 02/04/2009
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Am I the only one who heard him talking earlier? I really should just stay off of here. He didn't sound like he was playing nice in the speech he gave earlier.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 02/04/2009
- swo68 I'm a Fan of swo68 14 fans permalink

Obama got bipartisanship - just not the kind he wanted. There were democrats in the house who joined the republicans in a bipartisan way to vote no. All the partisanship was coming from those who voted in favor of the spending bill - only dems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 AM on 02/05/2009
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People seriously need to calm down about this bill. It's only a start. You are going to give yourselves heart attacks!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 02/04/2009
- Beninn I'm a Fan of Beninn 33 fans permalink
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What's wrong with this bill has nothing to do with Republicans, except that they created the conditions that led to creating a bill like this.

More shock&awe tactics, this time an economic depression and all the fear surrounding it, to pass legislation that favors and furthers the Democrats' sacred cow industries at the expense of the people's right to Constitutional rights, freedoms and protections.

An America that nobody recognizes anymore, created by powerful opportunists creating chaotic conditions to shove people into accepting what they wouldn't have chosen if they had a chance to really think about it.

That's what's in this stimulus package. READ IT!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/02/senate-stimulus-bill-full_n_163144.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 02/04/2009
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Go back to worldnetdaily. You exposed yourself!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 02/04/2009
- JayeSF I'm a Fan of JayeSF 29 fans permalink

I likethat Obama is aggressively standing his ground on this. if this was Bil Clinton...he would have caved in by now.

The bill will get trimmed a bit, and a few repoobs who aren't rabid reactionaries, and who realize that their party BLOCKING the package will have dire, dire consequences come 2010 (such as the the two senators from ME) will fall in line to support it and it'll pass.

This is barking and whining by the gop; but it's all show....they wouldn;t ultimately commit such political suicide with the economy the way it is and Obama's support at 80%....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 02/04/2009
- tomterif I'm a Fan of tomterif 5 fans permalink

Obama's support is at 80 % ? Really ? Then I definitely think this must sitll be very much "ye olde honeymoone".

Give it two weeks. : )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 02/05/2009
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