Why The Stimulus Is Too Small

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February 9, 2009 12:23 AM

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There's a hurricane coming. Meteorologists aren't sure what category it will be but know it will be the worst in generations. There's a warehouse full of sandbags.

What do you do?

Some folks in town are arguing that using the entire warehouse would be wasteful and leave the next generation without any sandbags. Half the sandbags might be enough to stop the surging waters, they argue.

Then again, half might not be enough.

"Use them all," suggests economist James Galbraith. "If it turns out that you've used too many, then you've got extra sandbags. Big deal. If you use too few, they're all destroyed."

Yet as the economic hurricane hits, President Obama and the U.S. Congress - driven by centrist senators from both parties - have decided to leave a few sandbags in the shed, hoping the waters won't rise too high.

The stimulus package scheduled to be voted on Tuesday, say contrarian economists, is simply too small to withstand the economic storm that's coming.

It's a matter of basic math, says economist Dean Baker of the Center for Economic and Policy Research. The economy is currently losing - annually -- $450 billion in housing wealth, $650 billion in consumer spending and $150 billion in commercial real estate value.

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"You're talking about a gap on the order of twelve-hundred-fifty billion dollars, and we're trying to plug that with four-hundred-something, so we've got a long way to go," Baker says. (The stimulus package of roughly $800 billion doles out spending and tax cuts over two years.)

Galbraith, too, says that demonstrating that the stimulus is too small is a matter of basic math. The $400 billion it will inject into the economy each of the next two years is equal to about two to three percent of GDP, he noted. But the economy is falling at a much faster rate, projected at eight percent a year by the CBO - and that projection, again, doesn't account for the financial collapse.

If it's too small, how is it, then, that economic models like the Congressional Budget Office's show that the economy will turn around sometime in 2009 or 2010?

The harsh reality: they're just guessing. And they're guessing based on economic models, says Galbraith, that have been built post-World War II and don't take into account the collapse of the financial sector. Instead, they assume the credit markets will be there to help ease the nation out of the downturn.

"We're in a unique crisis in the financial sector, something we've never seen in our lives: a crisis of the insolvency of the largest banks," Galbraith says. "Those banks, until they are reorganized and restructured, will not be part of a new credit expansion."

Galbraith says he was unsurprised that the banks didn't loan money after getting bailed out, because they were still so far under that they were holding on to stay alive. If you had bills coming due totaling $100,000, and I gave you $5,000, would you turn around and lend that to someone else? (Especially in this economy.)

For the stimulus to be able to turn around an economy spiraling down at that rate, the money injected into the economy would have to be multiplied many times over. But, Galbraith says, the economy is currently stuck in a "liquidity trap." People aren't spending because they're insecure about the future; companies aren't borrowing and expanding because the business climate looks stormy; and banks aren't lending because when the economy's tanking almost everyone looks like a bad credit risk. The multiplier effect for a tax cut to business and the middle-class, Galbraith guesses, will be close to zero, because the money will be saved or used to pay down debt.

With the banks in collapse, the CBO, then, is modeling for a situation that doesn't exist in reality. The running assumption among pundits and politicians - that the economy will turn around in 2010 or thereabouts - assumes that this recession is similar to previous recessions in which the financial sector and credit markets didn't collapse.

"We are working with a set of economic projections which assume, for mechanical reasons, that the economy is going to start turning around at the end of this year. There is no analytical foundation for that," Galbraith says. "Those models that are based on the period after 1945 aren't going to work. They just aren't going to be right."

The current crisis is qualitatively different than any recession that the current projections are based on. If they're wrong, then - given the small size of the stimulus -- there will be no turnaround in 2010. Instead, the economy will careen out of control, unemployment will continue to rise, production will slow, etc. The White House acknowledges the severity.

"We're in a very serious situation," Obama's economic adviser, Lawrence Summers, told ABC News' "This Week." "This is worse than any time since the Second World War. It's worse than, I think, most economists like me ever thought we would see."

Democrats, including President Obama, have referenced the CBO modeling by making the claim that there is a gap of one trillion dollars between actual economic production and potential economic production. If that's the case, then it would seem that the stimulus should be enough to turn things around.

"They're taking the word of technicians who are running a model that has no financial sector in it," repeats Galbraith, noting that during the Great Depression "the collapse of the banking sector was critical to the collapse and lack of resilience in the economy." There was no economic modeling being done in the 1920s or 1930s, however.

Not even Galbraith, however, is absolutely certain that he and others who are similarly sour on the size of the stimulus are correct. We live in an uncertain world, as Robert Rubin likes to say.

But think of it like Pascal's Wager. Blaise Pascal famously argued that you might as well believe in God because if you're wrong, all you've done is waste a few Sundays. If you wager there's no God and you're wrong, well, God help you.

In the same way, if the government follows the Galbraithian advice to go big and spends everything it can to turn the economy around and it goes too far, the worst thing you get is some inflation - which can be pulled back with interest rate hikes - and a higher national debt. (The Senate version raises the debt ceiling to $13 trillion.)

But what if they're right? There are more ways to harm children and grandchildren than saddling them with debt, such as, say, leaving them with a drastically lowered standard of living and an unstable world.

Of course, the stimulus number isn't driven by economics, but by politics, despite occasional attempts to assert otherwise.

"I think it will be below 800 [billion dollars]," said Nebraska Sen. Ben Nelson, the most vocal Democrat calling for a trimmed down stimulus. "For me it's not symbolism, it's an economic matter. At some point it's just too big."

That façade, however, stood erect for about five seconds. Asked by the Huffington Post if that meant he thought 800 billion, from an economic standpoint, was the specific point at which it was too big, he smiled and said, "It's whatever gets 60 votes, 61 votes."

Politics being the art of the possible, Democrats shaved money from what was already a small stimulus in order to get Nelson's and Republicans' votes in the Senate. The GOP was able to control the messaging and the media focused on spending projects that Republicans ridiculed. Only when Nelson and his fellow centrist began proposing cuts to popular programs did Democrats retake control.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has spoken out harshly against those cuts, saying they "do violence to what we are trying to do for the future," setting up a confrontation between her chamber and the Senate as the two bills are to be reconciled.

With the United States government close to roughly $12 trillion in debt and contemplating tacking on another $800 or so billion, the two bodies will wrestle all week over some $40 billion. By congressional standards, that's the change in the couch cushions.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said that he wanted to go bigger, too. "Am I satisfied that this package is big enough? Keep in mind, it's approaching a trillion dollars," said Reid Friday night. "It's a piece of legislation that is job creating. Did we get everything we wanted? No, we didn't."

Asked if there was a fear among Democrats that the stimulus wasn't big enough, Sen. Joe Lieberman responded, "Oh yeah. That's what we've argued all along. It has to be substantial."

Obama, too, began the push for the stimulus saying that economists had called for more than a trillion-dollar package and that the nation couldn't afford to undershoot the mark.

Yet here we are. Because the stimulus is too small, argue the economists, it will cost people jobs. "My first cut says that the changes to the Senate bill will ensure that we have at least 600,000 fewer Americans employed over the next two years," wrote Nobel-Prize winning economist Paul Krugman Sunday.

Eileen Appelbaum, director of Rutgers University's Center for Women and Work, is an economist with a ground-level view of the damage being wrought

"It needs to be bigger, if you just take a look at the amount of household spending that is lost because of the decline in homes, equity and 401(K)s," she says.

She said that her own daughter, who is upper-middle class, has sharply cut back spending even on groceries. "At the lower ends, I'm sure that people are reducing what they're eating. At the higher ends, they're reducing what they're wasting," she says.

So far, she says, health care has remained one of the few sectors that hasn't been hit hard by layoffs. But the Senate compromise slashes money to shore-up state budgets, meaning that states will be required to cut back on health care spending. The government, she says, ultimately funds more than half of all that spending.

"If you look at it from the point of view of the states, this money is desperately needed," she says. Without government payments, countless private and nonprofit health agencies would be forced to close. "I mean, [the Senate] cut money out of the program for feeding infants."

Even if it's too small, the economists say, the stimulus will still create millions of jobs and we may see job losses decline to a few hundred thousand a month rather than the 600,000 we saw in January. Something, they say, is better than nothing.

It's a point Democrats make repeatedly. "When history is written, historians are going to point out that the United States Congress and President Obama, in 2009, in facing the recession and joblessness in America, did the right thing in contrasting it with the Great Depression," said Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.), chairman of the Finance Committee. "During the Great Depression, the president and Congress stood by. They watched."

The history of efforts to save the economy is still being written. President Obama has said stimulus spending is one leg of a three-part approach that will also include efforts to stem the foreclosure crisis and stabilize the financial sector. The push for the latter effort is to begin Tuesday, with the release of a plan announced by Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner that is expected to cost hundreds of billions.

But if the economists are right, the stimulus leg of that stool will need to be returned to. For Appelbaum, if this package shows results, it could help Obama argue for a second one. The president could cite the unanimous Republican opposition in the House and the strident objections of GOP senators that cut the stimulus down in size, she says.

"The most shocking thing to me has been to see the Republican Party playing chicken with the economy," says Appelbaum.

Galbraith hopes that Obama won't play along and suggested a rethought approach next time around. "Right from the beginning, the discussion was, What's your number?" Galbraith, who was asked that question himself by Obama's transition team, says. He argues that the president should instead do everything that needs to be done and add it up when the storm passes.

"My position is: do everything," he says. Do everything and then see what the results are, and when you're sure you've got the economy going again, you can cut back."

There's a hurricane coming. Meteorologists aren't sure what category it will be but know it will be the worst in generations. There's a warehouse full of sandbags. What do you do? Some folks in to...
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What I would like President Obama to do on his next field trip is to host an event at the most dilapidated South Carolina school available that is still in use to make the pitch for RESTORING school construction funding in the final Economic Recovery bill. In particular he should challenge Lindsey Graham, in particular, with all of his constant pugnacious condescension that has become increasingly painfully tiresome, as why he and his Republican colleague for the sake of hackneyed ideology TURN his back on his states neediest citizens! The time for reaching out to these "idiot-logs" has passed. The time for crippling "compromise" in an attempt to "reach out" has simply passed!

Unfortunately, one of my favorite TV new anchor's, Lou Dobbs, appears to have been infected with the brainwashing of the Republican ideologues! It will take separate posts to pick apart each one of the subjects of his "line item vetoes" to explain why he has so badly been misled!

The time for so-called Republican "bipartisanship" has passed because the likes of Lindsey Graham, Senator Kyl, Mitch McConnell, Chuck Grassley has ended it!

Louis A. Carliner
Masaryktown, FL 34604-6922

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 02/10/2009
- billw8017 I'm a Fan of billw8017 32 fans permalink

As the middle class shrank under the Reagan / Bush policies, they were able to keep up their lifestyles by borrowing on the equity in their homes. Greenspan supposedly saw this in the crisis of the 1980s and expected it to carry through in the present decade. This is the "error" that he confesses to. Falling real estate values and the foreclosure crisis are the collapse of a desperate rear guard action or retreat.

Consider the homeless: They were not born in an alley. They did not attend school in a cardboard box. Those with college degrees did not find them while picking over trash. Homelessness and that kind of destitution are a crisis that befalls a person (usually without nearby family, often from their own demoralisation worsened by drink or drugs.) Observe how they live, consider how they must have grown to maturity, not possible under their present circumstances.

Now, consider that this is what we mean by "confidence" when we talk about how people will go out to shop and restore the economy when "confidence" returns. Oh, those foolish people -- to bring such woe upon them because they lack only confidence. There are degrees of poverty, lesser degrees can bear a bold face but the power for "confidence" isn't there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 AM on 02/10/2009
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 44 fans permalink

To ANYBODY---seeking information:

If Obama gets the healthcare package he wants, do people like myself still have a choice between my private insurance and govt.one?.­....Reason I'm asking is I'm 60 years old. According to what Daschle, among others had said, govt. healthcare is going to be RATIONED healthcare. Daschle's own words are 'older people must realize there getting old will happen, so less care for them should be seen as acceptable'. My 1st question is the people who say this, why didn't they discard Teddy Kennedy? Afterall, he's 76 years old. And if your going to FORCE national healthcare down on us, why not at least the very same (in all ways) as the congressmen and senators have for themselves. Instead of a rationed type...appreciate a reply from anybody who knows.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 02/09/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 243 fans permalink

Distraction?

the GOP lie. All the time. Please notice that.

Your health care is already "RATIONED".

Did you know that?

The Scandinavians pay half per person, what we pay here.

The Scandinavian Health care is rated higher than ours.

Their system covers everyone. They live longer, are happier, less miserable, healthier.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 02/09/2009
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 44 fans permalink

Please, I'm seeking information. Read my 1st sentence. Whats the answer? .....and just asking, but the various Scandanavian countries (Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark) have the population of Chicago. Denmark less then Chicago. We're 305 million people plus 14-20 million illegals. Are we going to as fast a service as they (according to you) get? Or as we get now. Again, just asking...Hey, for your information, I've USED national healthcare. The VA. And its slow as molassas. And we're only talking several million. So whats 305+ million going to be?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 02/09/2009
- ErikW65 I'm a Fan of ErikW65 11 fans permalink

"The Obama-Biden plan... builds on the existing healthcare system, and uses existing providers, doctors and plans to implement the plan."

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 02/09/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 243 fans permalink

All the countries I know of with Government health insurance, allow you spend you own money wherever you want.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 02/12/2009
- STG 44 I'm a Fan of STG 44 5 fans permalink

Two great men. One great truth.

"The era of big government is over."
President Clinton, Jan. 27, 1996.
" . . . government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem."
President Ronald Reagan, Jan. 20, 1981.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 02/09/2009
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 44 fans permalink

Yes, both were great men.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 02/09/2009
- caywen I'm a Fan of caywen 7 fans permalink

A hurricane is coming on Feb 15. We have 100 workers, and 57 of them are willing to start building a wall. The other 43 are on strike because they think a million umbrellas are a better idea. The question becomes how tall a wall we can build with just 57 workers.

I'd personally take any wall over no wall at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 02/09/2009
- Pyrrhus I'm a Fan of Pyrrhus 7 fans permalink

Too bad the 57 workers can't build a smaller wall and put the people with umbrellas on the outside of it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 02/09/2009
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If I hear one more flake talk about the "liquidity trap", my head will explode!

These guys don't get it! People aren't spending because they don't have the cash to spend! Small businesses aren't investing because the banks are withholding credit and not loaning. Businesses aren't hiring because their greedy shareholders would prefer getting paid than re-investing in their companies and OK outsourcing and layoffs. Our incopetent leadership thinks giving tax cuts is going to make some difference, but we(John Q. Public) KNOW that tax cuts are useless as t!ts on a boar if the people don't have jobs and income to exploit the windfall!

The stimulus package is too small from the common man's perspective, it's just right for big business!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 02/09/2009

And if I hear the word "bipartisan" once more I'm going to barf! The Republicans are deliberately working to take every effective provision out of the stimulus plan in the hope that it will be unsuccessful so they can run against it in 2010. They don't give a damn about this country or its people ... only about themselves and their big corporate "sponsors." Moody's has released figures showing which types of stimulus put how much actual money into the economy. Tax cuts (the type the GOP wants) only get us $1.02 for each $1spent. Infrastructure gets us $1.59 for each $1 spent. Food stamps get us $1.73 for each $1 spent (they are guaranteed to be spent, and immediately). Again, this is from Moody's, not a progressive think tank, or Paul Krugman, but Moody's. So what is almost the first thing Republicans chop out of the stimulus plan? Naturally, food stamps! Then they start hacking away at the infrastructure provisions and replace them with - what else? - useless tax cuts. There is no bipartisanship in Washington and the sooner the President gets over that little fantasy and gets down to the business of kicking GOP butt, the better off we'll be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 02/09/2009

The problem here is basic. A large number of conservatives would like to be sure that all the relief goes to people who "deserve" it, ie, are well-off and "productive". Witness all the whining about "It's not a tax cut, these people don't pay taxes....S­OCIALISM!!­!!".

What we libs fail to understand is that poor people are bad people, and people who lost their jobs should have done something to improve their situation. It is entirely their fault in the minds of the GOP, and so they don't "deserve" money. Whereas, the "productive" people who are wealthy are obviously more qualified to manage our country's money, which is why it's gotten sooo much better while we redistribute wealth upwards. They don't care about reality, only who is a "better" person and more deserving of our money. It has nothing to do with what will happen to the economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 02/10/2009
- swan1 I'm a Fan of swan1 9 fans permalink

Amazing how the MSM and GOP think they know more than the economists and professionals. Where were these people when Bush was going crazy?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 02/09/2009

They have to get 60 votes period, or there will be no timely stimulus. Bipartisanship is not political pandering, but a political requirement for this bill to pass. The fact that the GOP would require the total nullification of this necessary measure at this point for only "2" votes should show the American people who is concerned about the welfare of the economy and the American people as opposed to who is concerned about their own political futures. This is "OUR" failure "WE" stood up to the plate and delivered this election to a "progressive leader" but relaxed after Nov. 4th, the Grand Obstructionist Party was already re-writing the narrative for the media they had cornered as bias to liberals. WE have to put the heat on the media and the GOP, call senators and congressmen, email news networks and newspapers, we have to bombard them all with with the facts, the uneducated Limbaugh and Hannity listeners are doing it with no understanding of Keynesian economics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 02/09/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 243 fans permalink

50

50 Senators plus the VP can nuke the filibuster.

50, not 60, not 2/3, not 5/8.

50 50 50 50 50 50 ..... get it? Is that you Reid?

Is that why you allow the GOP to raise their hand to filibuster, instead standing and speaking?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option#Nuclear_option_readied
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2005/05/12/nuclear_option_primer/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 02/09/2009
- mdlawyer2 I'm a Fan of mdlawyer2 16 fans permalink

It's sixty votes (three fifths of the Senate) to impose cloture (ending a fillibuster). See Rule XXI of the Standing Rules of the Senate. This, however, assumes that certain Senators (the Republicans) do indeed decide to engage in a fillibuster. To hell with the hand count, make the rat bastards actually debate endlessly. Blast the whole thing over every media available, and let the American people see Republican senators reading the dictionary or the phone book (they don't actually debate the bill at hand for the duration of the fillibuster), instead of trying to stablize our fragile economy. The fillibuster might be effective under Senate rules, but it certainly wouldn't do well in the light of day, in front of the American public. The Dems biggest problem is backing down from a fight before it even occurs. Normally a bully runs when you call him on his threat, sometimes it takes a couple of good stiff punches. Either way, it's time to hold our ground, and if the Republicans want a fight let's give it to them. Fillibuster your damn brains out, but remember everybody is watching.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 02/09/2009
- Nova16 I'm a Fan of Nova16 34 fans permalink

When the size of the Stimulus package was announced, Jim Kramer and Chris Matthews on "Hardball" were Jokingly critical of the small amount of the package--$825 billion. Both agreed that a package was necessary in the amount equal to $2 trillion in relation to GDP. I agreed with them, but the current "wrangling" in Washington over the inadequate $825 billion is wasted political partisanship. The current economic dilemma is so deep and widespread that trying to get a perspective on a remedy is an attempt in futility. Banks, Industry, the government are failing at astronomical rates in an economy that appears to be "fighting" any attempt to save itself from disaster. How in the world of Econ 101 did this happen?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 02/09/2009
- Doofus I'm a Fan of Doofus 25 fans permalink
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Hmm. I also saw those two discussing the situation. Jim Cramer opined that one
useful move would be to put a lot of cash into food stamps, as that's a sure way to
dispense relief that will go right into consumption. Very true, but 'those people' are
all Demos. The 'real' problem may be that the $2T might not be enough, $10T might
be enough. The Repo mission is to put in enough funding to keep the wealthy intact.
ANd there's not enough money out there to carry out the Demo mission, but the left-most
Demo econ gurus will hold out for doubling the debt yet again to save the country. Looks
like the Repos are not willing to go quite so far as that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 02/09/2009
- ErikW65 I'm a Fan of ErikW65 11 fans permalink

Add this to the equation: right now my state is figuring out the budget. They have to develop two of them. One for if a stimulus package is passed, one for it it isn't. There is an increased cost to preparing two budgets. But the worst part is, if the stimulus bill is delayed long enough, then we won't be able to spend it anyway, because of logistical constraints like the short Vermont construction season, and procedural restrictions on doing things too fast!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 02/09/2009
- Nova16 I'm a Fan of Nova16 34 fans permalink

It is apparent that republicans in and out of congress operate on an ideological base that defies common sense and rational thought. They are in large measure responsible for the current economic mess in Washington without oversight of the Bush administration and galactic reckless spending, deregulation of the banking/financial system and wasting money by the hundreds of billions in Iraq. They must get out of the way of the President and the American people who want immediate action to resolve our current economic problems that have created growing unemployment, loss of retirement income, no money for essentials, housing foreclosures, personal and public debt, loss of health benefits. These are real problems and have to be dealt with while the republicans in congress and their supporters create more misery with arrogance and partisanship whith out regard to the national interest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 02/09/2009

It's interesting that Mitch McConnell said that the New Deal didn't pull the US out of the depression, but World War II. First, I think he's wrong about the unemployment rate he quoted, but that's not the point. It was the SPENDING associated with World War II. And I'm sure there weren't any TAX CUTS associated with that war. What's his point and who's calling him on it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 02/09/2009
- alexeiz I'm a Fan of alexeiz 2 fans permalink

Bravo, DavidBlackburn!
The fact that WW2 enormous government spending on military needs was, in fact, very successful stimulus is rarely used in discussions. It should be one of the strongest arguments in favor or larger spending part of stimulus - unfortunately it isn't used much!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 02/09/2009
- dxz I'm a Fan of dxz 4 fans permalink

Doesn't good ole Mitch recognize that he is actually making Obama's argument? World war II enabled Roosevelt to employ thousands of Americans without Republican opposition! Since there is no WWII currently, we should spend the equivalent amount on police, fire-fighters, teachers, nurses and Construction workers. We should not have to CREATE a war to do this! Can't he and his colleagues get this? Then what is wrong with these senators from Maine and Nebraska, how can you cut State Subsidies in favor of tax cuts when California is already asking staff to take 2 days unpaid leave per month? We need MORE PEOPLE working. Cutting state subsidies is counterproductive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 02/09/2009
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 44 fans permalink

I have to admit, you just made a good point........I reluctantly have to concede that to you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 02/09/2009
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 44 fans permalink

PS: Don't get a big head, I still don't like much of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 02/09/2009
- Doofus I'm a Fan of Doofus 25 fans permalink
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We have, in effect, been trying ever since to keep the WW2 effect going.

That's what the Cold War was all about, with the establishment of the
Military-Industrial Complex. Huge investment, all in the furtherance of
'National Defense' simulated WW2 demand pretty well. We did not
achieve the level of consumption that you experience in war-time,
perhaps, but we came pretty close, with consumer goods taking the
place of ammunition & destroyed weaponry.

Find something else to warrant the focused effort that WW2 demanded.

More HDTV & broad-band internet, anyone?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 02/09/2009

There are only two solutions to this global crisis.

1. Forgive all debt worldwide, and let everybody keep what they now have--free. Everybody starts over unencumbered, and people owed money won't lose, because they won't have to pay the people that they owe money to--all the way up the debt chain. Wealthy creditors at the top of the debt chain could write off the losses, and get a refund from a special "Top of the Debt Chain Fund" which every country except Haiti would contribute to.

2. Relax global counterfeiting laws, so that everybody can print their own money for purchases. Institute quality control standards, so people can't make money in any color they want, or width they want, or on any paper they want. In addition, allow merchants discretion to reject currency that looks too absurd, and cancel the transaction. This will force people to make money of higher quality if they want to buy something, or make poor quality money, and starve. Self-made money would allow businesses to pay lower wages since workers could print the money they need if they feel their salary is too low. Worker's living standards, would be their sole responsibility depending on their money printing industriousness, and these payroll savings would go directly to the business owners bottom line. "Self-made money" will wean consumers off their addiction to credit cards, and banks would find themselves flush with deposits of their customer's newly made money, and able to lend again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 02/09/2009
- ErikW65 I'm a Fan of ErikW65 11 fans permalink

Stick to music. You're not very funny. Everybody already can print their own money. That's part of the problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 02/09/2009

I didn't know that everybody already can already print their own money. I thought only the Federal Reserve could. Are you doing that? Where can I buy the equipment?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 02/09/2009
- bryansmith I'm a Fan of bryansmith 16 fans permalink
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you're insane

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 02/09/2009

What the governments and central bankers around the world have done so far certainly hasn't stopped the slide, and they've thrown trillions at the problems. To the contrary, the decline is picking up speed.

Time for fresh out of the box thinking, and I'm good at that.

My solutions attack directly the two major problems currently affecting the global economic system: excessive unrepayable debt, and no cash in households.

It's a tightly targeted solution, and my best ideas. But I'm certainly open to other suggestions. I'm not a idealogue, I'm a pragmatist.

Isn't that the true purpose of this site? Irreverent, yet thoughtful out of the box ideas. Or is grim, helpless seriousness all that is allowed?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 02/09/2009

I would guess that you are behind in mortgage or have a lot of debt to recommend that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 02/09/2009

You got a better solution to stop the coming depression?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 02/09/2009

Of course it is too small if the goal is to bailout anyone that needs money. Lots of local governments, private business, banks etc have made some really bad decision of the past few years and it's really hurting many Americans.

http://www.thirdeyechronicles.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 02/09/2009
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Look, only the rethugs stimulus is too small to work, unless its an airport restroom.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 02/09/2009
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